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Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:01 pm
by natty dread
Also, the title text looks kinda rough around the edges... somewhat pixelated. The "XML by..." text is almost illegible. I think the texts need to be redone.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:01 pm
by DiM
Victor Sullivan wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:You are on fire, DiM! :)

AAAHHHH!!! I got you DiM!!! *sprays DiM with a fire extinguisher* Phew!

Anywho, could you post the small and large versions without numbers? That XML is gonna take me awhile, so I might as well get a head start!

-Sully


i've uploaded a large version with no numbers in the previous post.
the small is not don yet. i'll get started on it asap as there aren't any major graphic concerns.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:04 pm
by Victor Sullivan
Thanks! Was I just blind or did you just do that?

-Sully

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:08 pm
by DiM
natty_dread wrote:Also, the title text looks kinda rough around the edges... somewhat pixelated. The "XML by..." text is almost illegible. I think the texts need to be redone.


yeah i was just looking at that now and figured it will get worse on the small version.
the sigs are too small to have bevel so i'll remove that but for the large i want to keep the bevel.
however i don't know why the edges are pixelated. the bevel is smooth and antialiased, the text is on smooth.
i'l tinker with it and see what i get.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:14 pm
by DiM
i got this:

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better?

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:17 pm
by natty dread
It's better. There are some parts, like the sharp corners on the K and N and some other letters that have some slight pixelation left... perhaps you could rasterize the text and deal with it on a pixel level?

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:37 pm
by DiM
rasterizing = losing all editing options.
i don't think it's such a big deal to go to such an extreme measure.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:14 pm
by natty dread
DiM wrote:rasterizing = losing all editing options.
i don't think it's such a big deal to go to such an extreme measure.


Not if you keep a backup of the old text layer, which you just turn invisible...

Join the dark side... embrance gonzo editing! ;)

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:20 pm
by DiM
natty_dread wrote:
DiM wrote:rasterizing = losing all editing options.
i don't think it's such a big deal to go to such an extreme measure.


Not if you keep a backup of the old text layer, which you just turn invisible...

Join the dark side... embrance gonzo editing! ;)


lol, i already do that. that's why my psd files become little monsters.
but let's say i rasterize and start tweaking at a pixel level and then somebody wants the text to be pink. i have to scrap my pixel work, go back to the back-up version, make it pink, rasterize again, work on the pixel level again. well, you get the idea :)

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:51 pm
by natty dread
DiM wrote:lol, i already do that. that's why my psd files become little monsters.
but let's say i rasterize and start tweaking at a pixel level and then somebody wants the text to be pink. i have to scrap my pixel work, go back to the back-up version, make it pink, rasterize again, work on the pixel level again. well, you get the idea :)


Sure, but you can always solve it by more gonzo editing! :lol:

Ok, so what about this: just create an empty layer on top of the text layer, and do the pixel tweaks on this empty layer so they're on top of the text.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:06 pm
by DiM
i'll see

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:05 pm
by gimil
I am still not feeling the the blue, purple and red terr names. I think going with a light glow makes them feel washed out and inconsistent. I am convinced that you could keep the same dark outline layer styles on all the terr names...

I did a little tester myself and suggest the following colours would work nicely:

Red: #fc5353
Blue: #4f4fff
Purple: #da53fc

If you look at my test image below you will see examples on: Jehad (purple), Shemai (Red) and Sorle (Blue).

Click image to enlarge.
image


Let me know what you think...

Apart from that I am satisfied with the aesthetics of the main map. I do have some general issues with the legends/title area though. Both the silver outline and title are heavily pixelated with heavy white (seemingly random) pixels. Looks almost like you did a poor cut and paste job on them from somewhere else. The design themselves are good. But the pixelation really needs to be sorted.

Also everything of importance in the legends is black....black black black. It means that your major gameplay mechanics are not immediately noticeable. Why can't each symbol be unique and stand out in some way?


gimil

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:39 pm
by DiM
gimil wrote:I am still not feeling the the blue, purple and red terr names. I think going with a light glow makes them feel washed out and inconsistent. I am convinced that you could keep the same dark outline layer styles on all the terr names...

I did a little tester myself and suggest the following colours would work nicely:

Red: #fc5353
Blue: #4f4fff
Purple: #da53fc

If you look at my test image below you will see examples on: Jehad (purple), Shemai (Red) and Sorle (Blue).

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c64/Gimil_01/WWdraft.png

Let me know what you think...


cool colours. used them and it fits great. see bellow.

gimil wrote:Apart from that I am satisfied with the aesthetics of the main map. I do have some general issues with the legends/title area though. Both the silver outline and title are heavily pixelated with heavy white (seemingly random) pixels. Looks almost like you did a poor cut and paste job on them from somewhere else. The design themselves are good. But the pixelation really needs to be sorted.


man it really pissed me off this title pixelation thing. i tried everything and then i noticed i hadn't ticked the "use global light" check box so i had some weird light from the wrong direction. :lol:
anyway, i also tweaked the colours a bit and decided to go for a dark glass kind of look.

gimil wrote:Also everything of importance in the legends is black....black black black. It means that your major gameplay mechanics are not immediately noticeable. Why can't each symbol be unique and stand out in some way?


well each symbol is unique. but i'm not going to colour code each and every symbol on the map because:
1. it will look like a rainbow mess
2. i assume people aren't complete retards that need colour codes on top of different icons and clear words.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [23.Dec.11] - V10 - page 1&5

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 7:39 pm
by DiM
V11:
*changed title and legend border
*changed terit names colour
Click image to enlarge.
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Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:09 pm
by gimil
And like that...this map falls into place ;)

Well done mate.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:10 pm
by DiM
sweet :P

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 4:26 am
by gimil
After waking up and having a fresh look at this map again. I think the fancy border around the legends is to dark. I suggest lightening it...but other than that I am struggling to find anything else wrong with this map.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:34 am
by DiM
gimil wrote:After waking up and having a fresh look at this map again. I think the fancy border around the legends is to dark. I suggest lightening it...but other than that I am struggling to find anything else wrong with this map.



nooooooooooo. my dark glass? i like it :evil:

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:26 am
by natty dread
You could make it slightly more transparent

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:23 pm
by DiM
now:
Image

more transparent:
Image

even more transparent:
Image

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:18 pm
by isaiah40
I think the last one looks the best. It also doesn't look as pixelated.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:39 pm
by gimil
isaiah40 wrote:I think the last one looks the best. It also doesn't look as pixelated.

I agree. Would like to see the last one on the full map.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:01 pm
by DiM
here you go:
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image

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:08 pm
by gimil
Nah I have to be honest...I still don't feel it. I prefer it when it was much lighter. Sorry.

Re: Knights & Warlocks [24.Dec.11] - V11 - page 1&6

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:48 pm
by DiM
gimil wrote:Nah I have to be honest...I still don't feel it. I prefer it when it was much lighter. Sorry.


go watch this movie:
http://www.wimp.com/designerlife/


in the meantime i did the small version.

V12:
large:
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small:
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image