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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:45 pm

ndrs wrote:
cairnswk wrote:ndrs...this is starting to look really good...but i'm afraid i don't quite get the feeling of the branch on the end of the title.
What does it represent?


It's an interpretation of a generic bush-type growth, and aims to represent PNG as a fertile region. :)

Mmm, then perhaps you'd consider doing something other to show this, i have to agree with Koontz1973 that is looks like an after-thought and is totally out of place where it is hanging off the A. While it is in the style of the map i think it's misplaced. Sorry.

Perhaps you'd consider the national symbol (google it) for inclusion in your style.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby ndrs on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:51 pm

cairnswk wrote:Mmm, then perhaps you'd consider doing something other to show this, i have to agree with Koontz1973 that is looks like an after-thought and is totally out of place where it is hanging off the A. While it is in the style of the map i think it's misplaced. Sorry.

Perhaps you'd consider the national symbol (google it) for inclusion in your style.


To be honest, I wasn't looking for it to have a deeper meaning, mostly I just wanted to make the map less sterile and make the logo more unique.
I think what I comes down to is whether you like it or not aesthetically – and I do. :)
Would it look less out of place if I added an additional decoration?

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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] Army Numbers...

Postby ndrs on Wed Jan 04, 2012 3:56 pm

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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby natty dread on Wed Jan 04, 2012 5:29 pm

ndrs wrote:Because some numbers wouldn't fit on the islands – especially on the small map to come.

Would this be better?


No, it looks weird to have army circles only on some territories.

It doesn't matter if a pixel or two doesn't fit in the island. Just center the numbers so that most of it is inside the island. In most situations there will only be one number on them anyway, and if the 3rd number is outside the island it's still better than having all the numbers there.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby cairnswk on Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:31 pm

ndrs wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Mmm, then perhaps you'd consider doing something other to show this, i have to agree with Koontz1973 that is looks like an after-thought and is totally out of place where it is hanging off the A. While it is in the style of the map i think it's misplaced. Sorry.

Perhaps you'd consider the national symbol (google it) for inclusion in your style.


To be honest, I wasn't looking for it to have a deeper meaning, mostly I just wanted to make the map less sterile and make the logo more unique.
I think what I comes down to is whether you like it or not aesthetically – and I do. :)
Would it look less out of place if I added an additional decoration?


I'm afraid i have to say it simply looks weird hanging off the letter/line. my vote is no for both pieces of branch.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby pamoa on Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:17 am

cairnswk wrote:
ndrs wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Mmm, then perhaps you'd consider doing something other to show this, i have to agree with Koontz1973 that is looks like an after-thought and is totally out of place where it is hanging off the A. While it is in the style of the map i think it's misplaced. Sorry.
Perhaps you'd consider the national symbol (google it) for inclusion in your style.
To be honest, I wasn't looking for it to have a deeper meaning, mostly I just wanted to make the map less sterile and make the logo more unique.
I think what I comes down to is whether you like it or not aesthetically – and I do. :)
Would it look less out of place if I added an additional decoration?
I'm afraid i have to say it simply looks weird hanging off the letter/line. my vote is no for both pieces of branch.
I like them on the title but not on the scale keep it as it was first
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:14 am

cairnswk wrote:
ndrs wrote:
cairnswk wrote:Mmm, then perhaps you'd consider doing something other to show this, i have to agree with Koontz1973 that is looks like an after-thought and is totally out of place where it is hanging off the A. While it is in the style of the map i think it's misplaced. Sorry.

Perhaps you'd consider the national symbol (google it) for inclusion in your style.


To be honest, I wasn't looking for it to have a deeper meaning, mostly I just wanted to make the map less sterile and make the logo more unique.
I think what I comes down to is whether you like it or not aesthetically – and I do. :)
Would it look less out of place if I added an additional decoration?


I'm afraid i have to say it simply looks weird hanging off the letter/line. my vote is no for both pieces of branch.

I think they are both fine, I like 'em.

My guess this is probably one of those areas where the cartographer can really have final say, :D .


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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:26 am

The one on the title is fine, but I'd remove the one in the scale graph - it just looks weird.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:33 am

Another option if you wanted to keep them in, would be to remove them from the title and scale, but place a slightly larger / nicer image in the top right corner. Right now, that is a huge black spot with nothing in it. Look at Golfe Du Saint-Laurent and Pirates and Merchants (drafting room) for the idea. Not done in there styles but to give you some ideas on nice corners.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby natty dread on Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:47 am

I don't think the upper right corner needs anything. The balance of the image is fine as it is, the upper right corner doesn't have much space and adding stuff there would make it cluttered.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby pamoa on Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:06 pm

ndrs wrote:
pamoa wrote:I would only swap hatched territories
some kind of geographical coherence of the graphic code
mainland is plain and small outside islands are hatched
New Ireland hatched instead of Madang
Bougainville hatched instead of Mline Bay
The idea of switching the bonus colours does make sense
It's a little bit of work but I'll make it happen if others feel the same way.
I dare to ask it to you again
as I would say your map is nearly perfect
and I wished I had designed it myself
every nitpick get you nearer absolute perfection
don't bother the others please please do it for me please 8-[
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby ndrs on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:21 pm

pamoa wrote:I dare to ask it to you again
as I would say your map is nearly perfect
and I wished I had designed it myself
every nitpick get you nearer absolute perfection
don't bother the others please please do it for me please 8-[


Thanks a lot, pamoa! :lol: 8-)

OK, I will try your idea – I just don't have that much time the next couple of days...
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Re: Papua New Guinea [02 Jan 2012][Pg. 5] V3

Postby ndrs on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:33 pm

cairnswk wrote:I'm afraid i have to say it simply looks weird hanging off the letter/line. my vote is no for both pieces of branch.

pamoa wrote:I like them on the title but not on the scale keep it as it was first

AndyDufresne wrote:I think they are both fine, I like 'em.

natty_dread wrote:The one on the title is fine, but I'd remove the one in the scale graph - it just looks weird.

koontz1973 wrote:Another option if you wanted to keep them in, would be to remove them from the title and scale, but place a slightly larger / nicer image in the top right corner.


Hmm... :? :lol:

natty_dread wrote:No, it looks weird to have army circles only on some territories.

It doesn't matter if a pixel or two doesn't fit in the island. Just center the numbers so that most of it is inside the island. In most situations there will only be one number on them anyway, and if the 3rd number is outside the island it's still better than having all the numbers there.


Thanks Natty, will change it for the next update.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby Victor Sullivan on Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:34 pm

Southern Papau --> Southern Papua?

Also, this:
natty_dread wrote:The one on the title is fine, but I'd remove the one in the scale graph - it just looks weird.


Or this:
koontz1973 wrote:Another option if you wanted to keep them in, would be to remove them from the title and scale, but place a slightly larger / nicer image in the top right corner.

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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:50 am

The stats are very hard to read. Can you bring them out some more.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby J_Indr on Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:33 am

I'm also up for the branch only on the title.
Let me say that this map looks really beautiful.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby Peter Gibbons on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:26 am

J_Indr wrote:I'm also up for the branch only on the title.
Let me say that this map looks really beautiful.

Since it seems like we're voting on this, let me say that I agree. I like the branch on the title--not sold on it with the scale.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:41 am

koontz1973 wrote:The stats are very hard to read. Can you bring them out some more.

They could use a touch of clarity.

But overall, I'm quite liking this map.


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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby ndrs on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:20 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:Southern Papau --> Southern Papua?

Good catch, sir :)

J_Indr wrote:I'm also up for the branch only on the title.
Let me say that this map looks really beautiful.

Thanks, J_Indr :)

Peter Gibbons wrote:Since it seems like we're voting on this, let me say that I agree. I like the branch on the title--not sold on it with the scale.

The people have spoken!! The verdict seems to be; Scale - No, Title - Yes. =D>

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koontz1973 wrote:The stats are very hard to read. Can you bring them out some more.

They could use a touch of clarity.

But overall, I'm quite liking this map.

Are you talking about the small and large map?
I decided to not scale the stats text on the small map so that I wouldn't have to down scale the title.
I'll test some things to see if I can make the stats clearer on both maps.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:22 pm

ndrs wrote:Are you talking about the small and large map?
I decided to not scale the stats text on the small map so that I wouldn't have to down scale the title.
I'll test some things to see if I can make the stats clearer on both maps.

Both maps. I can just read them but it is hard.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [04 Jan 2012][Pg. 6] Small map added

Postby ndrs on Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:06 pm

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V5 update:
- switched region colours
- went back to the original layout
- tested new style on territ names
- minor tweaks all over
- mini map is smaller
- fixed spelling of Southern Papua
- added main exports to Facts
- removed branch on title ;)
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Re: Papua New Guinea [11 Jan 2012][Pg. 7] old new layout + s

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:02 pm

Territory labels are missing
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Re: Papua New Guinea [11 Jan 2012][Pg. 7] old new layout + s

Postby ndrs on Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:06 pm

natty_dread wrote:Territory labels are missing

Wrong upload.. fixed.
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Re: Papua New Guinea [11 Jan 2012][Pg. 7] old new layout + s

Postby pamoa on Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:51 am

the lower version with text engraved is the best for me
and thanks for having switched the hatching thank you thank you thank you... :D
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Re: Papua New Guinea [11 Jan 2012][Pg. 7] old new layout + s

Postby Peter Gibbons on Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:45 am

pamoa wrote:the lower version with text engraved is the best for me
Agreed.

Thought crossed my mind... might it be worth swapping colors between Manus-New Ireland and Bougainville?

It seems pretty obvious by the connections, but someone playing the map for the first time might initially think all the yellow islands are part of one bonus if they don't read the legend carefully. Swapping those two bonus colors would prevent that. It would also distribute the color balance a little more (though I only think that will look better... it might not in the end).
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