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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby nolefan5311 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:22 am

So you won't have Brno coded as neutral then?

With 33 starting regions the amount of the initial drop will be:

2 & 3 player games - 11 per player (the only change from the 32 starting regions you had previously)
4 players - 8 per player
5 players - 6 per player
6 players - 5 per player
7 players - 4 per player
8 players - 4 per player
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby Oneyed on Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:53 pm

nolefan5311 wrote:So you won't have Brno coded as neutral then?


no. now Praha and also Bratislava could be attacked from 5 territories each. so only capitals will be neutrals n4.
nolefan5311 wrote:With 33 starting regions the amount of the initial drop will be:

2 & 3 player games - 11 per player (the only change from the 32 starting regions you had previously)
4 players - 8 per player
5 players - 6 per player
6 players - 5 per player
7 players - 4 per player
8 players - 4 per player


I changed railway a little and made connection in Czech republic. now each capital could be attacked from 5 territories. and only capitals wll be codded as neutrals.

I also changed bonus for Towns from +1 for 3 towns with capital to +1 for 4 towns with capital. is this better or not?

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list of neutrals and starting positions:

there are 35 territories. 2 capitals (Praha and Bratislava) will start allways as neutral.

8 players game:
4 territories for each player, 3 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 1 random).
7 playes game:
4 territories for each player, 7 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 5 random).
6 playes game:
5 territories for each player, 5 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 3 random).
5 playes game:
6 territories for each player, 5 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 3 random).
4 playes game:
8 territories for each player, 3 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 1 random).
3 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 2 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, Brno).
2 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 13 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, 11 random).

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, new railway, Aug 13rd

Postby Oneyed on Tue Aug 14, 2012 1:20 am

I have one question:
it will not be better to do railway connection:
Brno - Bratislava to Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava?
Plzeň - Praha to Plzeň - Kladno - Praha?

because now in CR is needed to secure 2 territories to hold Kraj, but kraj StČK is needed to secure just region StČK. the same in SR, it is needed to secure 3 territories to hold Kraj, but ZSK is possible to secure 2 territories.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby iancanton on Wed Aug 15, 2012 4:32 pm

Oneyed wrote:3 playes game:
11 territories for each player, 2 neutrals (Praha, Bratislava, Brno).

if there are 3 players, then brno will not be neutral.

Oneyed wrote:Brno - Bratislava to Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava?

Brno - Trenčín - Bratislava does not make sense because of the location of Trenčín. i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.

Oneyed wrote:Plzeň - Praha to Plzeň - Kladno - Praha?

Plzeň - Beroun - Praha is better than Plzeň - Kladno - Praha because the railway from Plzeň to Praha really does go through Beroun; to hold kraj StČK, a player will have to secure 2 territories.

http://www.cd.cz/assets/vnitrostatni-ce ... /kraje.pdf

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby Oneyed on Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:27 pm

iancanton wrote:if there are 3 players, then brno will not be neutral.


Brno will not be neutral in any game. there will be just Praha and Bratislava as n4, the rest territories will be random deployment.
iancanton wrote:i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.


but then Žilina become as crossroad - it has connection to Olomouc and Poprad. Trenčín will be the third connection while all towns have two connections via railway.
what about to change town Trenčín to town Kúty and made railway Bratislava - Kúty - Brno?
iancanton wrote:Plzeň - Beroun - Praha is better than Plzeň - Kladno - Praha because the railway from Plzeň to Praha really does go through Beroun; to hold kraj StČK, a player will have to secure 2 territories.

ian. :)


ok.

thanks ian.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby iancanton on Sat Aug 18, 2012 8:59 am

Oneyed wrote:
iancanton wrote:i suggest Žilina - Trenčín - Bratislava instead, which creates a real-looking railway network that has interchange stations; to hold kraj ZSK, a player will have to secure 3 territories.

but then Žilina become as crossroad - it has connection to Olomouc and Poprad. Trenčín will be the third connection while all towns have two connections via railway.

there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.

Oneyed wrote:what about to change town Trenčín to town Kúty and made railway Bratislava - Kúty - Brno?

Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby Oneyed on Sat Aug 18, 2012 9:44 am

iancanton wrote:there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.


this is the question which I have in head :) this is small map without any impassables, so I think perfect symmetry would be fine. what do you think?
or maybe I could do more crossroads - Žilina, Brno, Ústí n/Labem?
iancanton wrote:Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

ian. :)


I agreed. you have good knowledge about Slovakia :)

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby iancanton on Sun Aug 19, 2012 10:04 am

Oneyed wrote:
iancanton wrote:Bratislava - Kúty - Brno is fine. Trenčín is an important town, so perhaps Komarno can disappear instead?

I agreed. you have good knowledge about Slovakia :)

u can thank DiM's map for that!

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iancanton wrote:there's nothing wrong with that, unless u want perfect symmetry.

this is the question which I have in head :) this is small map without any impassables, so I think perfect symmetry would be fine. what do you think?

or maybe I could do more crossroads - Žilina, Brno, Ústí n/Labem?

symmetry works reasonably well on this map. simply add Kúty and remove Komarno, following which u can clean up the graphics to advance to final forge. if, during beta, we discover that holding the capital bonuses is too easy (this is unlikely), then u can add the extra railways so that more towns can attack the capitals.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby Oneyed on Sun Aug 19, 2012 11:06 am

iancanton wrote:u can thank DiM's map for that!


damned that he bin it... :(
iancanton wrote:symmetry works reasonably well on this map. simply add Kúty and remove Komarno, following which u can clean up the graphics to advance to final forge. if, during beta, we discover that holding the capital bonuses is too easy (this is unlikely), then u can add the extra railways so that more towns can attack the capitals.

ian. :)


ok. thanks.
btw, why you are not blue?

here are new versions of map. I did some little graphics edits and new railway connection. thanks to iancanton for big help.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, without starting positions!

Postby iancanton on Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:48 pm

Oneyed wrote:I also changed bonus for Towns from +1 for 3 towns with capital to +1 for 4 towns with capital.

during beta, if the capitals are unpopular, then prepare to change back to +1 for 3 towns with capital.

Oneyed wrote:btw, why you are not blue?

i don't know what happened to my colour for the past few days, but i'm blue again now!

Oneyed wrote:here are new versions of map. I did some little graphics edits and new railway connection. thanks to iancanton for big help.

nice to be appreciated!

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, feedback needed, Aug 19th

Postby x-raider on Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:32 pm

Development's looking good. I'm glad to see that Oneeyed is determined to make the best of this.

1. The stroke (or whatever it's called. sorry. edge?) on the region rectangles should be made heavier to fit in with the stroke/edges on the towns, railway, borders.

2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?

3. I've been finding the capitals looking a bit too rough on the pixels... Maybe get rid of the stroke/edge?
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, feedback needed, Aug 19th

Postby Oneyed on Wed Aug 22, 2012 1:41 am

iancanton wrote:during beta, if the capitals are unpopular, then prepare to change back to +1 for 3 towns with capital.


ok.

x-raider wrote:Development's looking good. I'm glad to see that Oneeyed is determined to make the best of this.


thanks :)
x-raider wrote:1. The stroke (or whatever it's called. sorry. edge?) on the region rectangles should be made heavier to fit in with the stroke/edges on the towns, railway, borders.


yes.
x-raider wrote:2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?


not sure what do you think here...
x-raider wrote:3. I've been finding the capitals looking a bit too rough on the pixels... Maybe get rid of the stroke/edge?


yes.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, feedback needed, Aug 19th

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:23 am

Oneyed wrote:
x-raider wrote:2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?


not sure what do you think here...

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This is what he means.
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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, feedback needed, Aug 19th

Postby Oneyed on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:21 am

x-raider wrote:2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?


on the borders were font bad visible, especialy on the small version so therefore I added outer glow there.

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Re: Fragmentation of CSFR, feedback needed, Aug 19th

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:02 am

Oneyed wrote:
x-raider wrote:2. Some of the names text on the map gets white on the outside when they spill over onto the background map... Are you aware of that?


on the borders were font bad visible, especialy on the small version so therefore I added outer glow there.

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Can we see a copy without the glow. You have the names elsewhere on the map without it and they are fine.
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