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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [16/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Oct 17, 2013 2:14 am

koontz1973 wrote:Will also make (thought I had) the border between Giza and Kari Tuhmous red to allow the elimination.

Fixed this. Also added another red line next to Islamic Cairo to help reduce that all important big drop.
Removed an urn from En El-Sirah.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby DearCyrus on Fri Oct 18, 2013 12:09 am

Like the new border alot better! I need to look More at the green borders, but in theory, I like them.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby iancanton on Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:46 pm

both versions are stalemate-free, so far as i can see. the green version makes for a more open game and greater use of bonuses. u can reduce the n3 on islamic cairo to n2 without compromising fairness. onward and upward!

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:48 pm

iancanton wrote:both versions are stalemate-free, so far as i can see. the green version makes for a more open game and greater use of bonuses. u can reduce the n3 on islamic cairo to n2 without compromising fairness. onward and upward!

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Thank you ian.

I will get the neutral down to 2 and keep the green lines in as they have grown on my. An open game is not always the best game but they do allow for some of the really big bonuses to get knocked out.

Will give an update today for this with a good line division.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby isaiah40 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:25 pm

I'm sorry but you will have to start the graphics from scratch! Everything is so wrong with it! :evil:


















Just Joking!! :lol: Really, right now the one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb is the river. Remove the bevel form it so it looks like the rest of the map!
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby DearCyrus on Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:55 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I'm sorry but you will have to start the graphics from scratch! Everything is so wrong with it! :evil:

:lol: That's messed up! lol
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:20 pm

DearCyrus wrote:
isaiah40 wrote:I'm sorry but you will have to start the graphics from scratch! Everything is so wrong with it! :evil:

:lol: That's messed up! lol

It's ok, I am used to that level of childishness from the others. :P
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [17/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:44 am

Hows this?
New river.
Lines are now done.
Green line is now yellow as it clashed in the CB tests.
Legend wording is good and includes the yellow.
Moved the poem.
Title is now fixed.
Need to remove the shadows from the bridges but will get to that later.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [23/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby DearCyrus on Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:29 pm

Hmmm, not sure about that yellow border... The tone is off. Maybe just a different shade of green?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [23/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:50 pm

DearCyrus wrote:Hmmm, not sure about that yellow border... The tone is off. Maybe just a different shade of green?

For the colour blind players, red, blue and green are too close to each other.
Look at the deuteranopia (top right), green and red are almost alike. Changing the shade changes the mixture of the colour palatte.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [23/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby Seamus76 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:38 pm

In the legend why does it say, "Opening or blocking borders effects bonuses" twice?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [23/10] Page 1/9 GP??

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:16 am

Seamus76 wrote:In the legend why does it say, "Opening or blocking borders effects bonuses" twice?

Because it is very important. :lol:

Removed legend.
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Sorted out bridges.
Fixed small aesthetics.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [2/11] Page 1/9 All Maps

Postby koontz1973 on Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:36 am

Small map done.
CB tests and 888 tests below.
Did the clean up of the large map before making the small map.
Small map caused problems with names so renamed 3 regions to allow fit.
Small map legend has a slightly different font to allow it to be read at the correct size.

What is the word form the boys in blue?

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [2/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby RedBaron0 on Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:31 pm

For a little bit of redundancy, mainly for color blindness factors, could you in the legend color the text for red, yellow, blue? And is there a reason you labeled the Nile 5 times?
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [2/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby koontz1973 on Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:48 am

RedBaron0 wrote:For a little bit of redundancy, mainly for color blindness factors, could you in the legend color the text for red, yellow, blue? And is there a reason you labeled the Nile 5 times?

Redundancy added to the legend text.
No reason over the Nile name so removed all middle ones. Only the top and bottom now left.

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby Dukasaur on Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:49 pm

You never answered my question back on page 5 or 6.

Why so big? Surely a 42-tert map can be made to fit on one screen.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby koontz1973 on Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:12 am

Dukasaur wrote:You never answered my question back on page 5 or 6.

Why so big? Surely a 42-tert map can be made to fit on one screen.

Sorry for missing this, I placed it on vacation just after your post and never went back to it when I brought it out again.
The map is set at the limits of the map sizes we have. It is not larger than any normal map. But the shape of Cairo is not a nice neat box like London. It has this large side blob and that tail below. That and the small districts in the centre forced the size issue over everything else.

Original post by you. Answering it now. ;) :oops:
Dukasaur wrote:Why is it so big? It's 42 terts but just barely fits on a screen; can't it be made smaller? There are 80 tert maps smaller than this.

You are right, I did Rorke's Drift with 89 regions at the same size. Map sizes all depend on what the map maker wants to accomplish. I have always tried to make my maps as small as possible, not once have I used supersize, but conditions on Cairo dictate the size. Cutting the sides down leads to the problem of squeezing the legend even more and then we get readability issues. On the other hand as well, Clash of Kings (one of Dims last maps) is a lot larger than this and only has 43 regions on it.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby RedBaron0 on Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:04 am

I think I've left this one to stew long enough, lets hear your final comments.

My one and only tiny gripe is the shadow on the minaret in the legend doesn't match the rest of the minarets on the map.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby ManBungalow on Thu Dec 05, 2013 12:44 pm

Okay, there are lots of things that can be done with the graphics here.

At the moment it's basically a flat, dull texture with some lines on it.

I feel like Egypt: Nubia is a good example of a relatively nice-looking map which is basically a texture background with some regions on: http://maps.conquerclub.com/Egypt__Nubia2.S.jpg
...but it looks like a desert, rather than sandpaper. I think it's in the little details.

You could make a nice legend....at the moment it's floating text.

"Minarets prayer call can be heard all over the city." I don't get it. Does this have anything to do with the gameplay?

The highlight of the region names looks a little off. Change the layer mode to grain merge or something? Maybe something similar for the images at the bottom-left.

Perhaps you could put the map name on there somewhere? I have no idea what the text at the top-left says.

Spelling in the legend:
Buriel Urn -> Burial Urn
Opening or blocking borders effects bonuses -> Opening or blocking borders affects bonuses
Bridges across the Nile are not effected by conditinoal borders -> Bridges across the Nile are not affected by conditional borders

I'm looking forward to trying the unique gameplay koontz, nice one.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby koontz1973 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 1:26 pm

ManBungalow wrote:At the moment it's basically a flat, dull texture with some lines on it.

No problem there at all. That is what I want.
ManBungalow wrote:You could make a nice legend....at the moment it's floating text.

Legend will stay as it is. This is going to be a really complicated map to play to the legend needs to be super clear. It was designed that way.
ManBungalow wrote:"Minarets prayer call can be heard all over the city." I don't get it. Does this have anything to do with the gameplay?

Hold all to win, that part of the text you highlighted is just on for no other reason that most players would not know what they are or what they are used for.
ManBungalow wrote:The highlight of the region names looks a little off. Change the layer mode to grain merge or something? Maybe something similar for the images at the bottom-left.

I do not understand this. It is a straight forward hard glow. Nothing fancy wanted or needed. Just because we can do something, does not mean we should. I have tried all of the looks you have mentioned above in previous drafts, and all have been rejected by players or myself. Not going to take a step back to please.
ManBungalow wrote:Perhaps you could put the map name on there somewhere? I have no idea what the text at the top-left says.

That is the Arabic name for the map, same as when I used the Hungarian for the Mags map. The map will go by Classic City: Cairo on the site.
ManBungalow wrote:Spelling in the legend:
Buriel Urn -> Burial Urn
Opening or blocking borders effects bonuses -> Opening or blocking borders affects bonuses
Bridges across the Nile are not effected by conditinoal borders -> Bridges across the Nile are not affected by conditional borders

Will get these changed tomorrow and post the xml soon I hope.
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Postby dolomite13 on Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:33 pm

I didn't read the whole thing but what is the reason for the blocked borders when you control certain amounts of territories.

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Postby koontz1973 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:07 am

dolomite13 wrote:I didn't read the whole thing but what is the reason for the blocked borders when you control certain amounts of territories.

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Purely game play. No other reason.

But if you wanted a reasoning, you could have gridlocked streets.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby cairnswk on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:42 am

koontz...i se whe're up to GFX..so have to comment that Nile River text left of map is very hard to read.
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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [13/11] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby koontz1973 on Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:46 am

cairnswk wrote:koontz...i se whe're up to GFX..so have to comment that Nile River text left of map is very hard to read.

Will get it cleard up for you today.

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RB0 mentioned the shadow in the legend. Cleared that up to match the map.
ManB noticed some grammar and spelling mistakes. Sorted those out.
cairns wanted the river name clearer. Believe this is now so.

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Re: Classic Cities: Cairo [06/12] Page 1/10 All Maps

Postby RedBaron0 on Mon Dec 09, 2013 12:25 pm

On to the next step on the pyramid!

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Joined: Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:59 pm
Location: Pennsylvania
Medals: 88
Standard Achievement (4) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (3) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (2) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (2) Fog of War Achievement (3)
Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (3)
Beta Map Achievement (1) Battle Royale Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (10) General Achievement (10)
Clan Achievement (9) Challenge Achievement (1) Map Contribution (2) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (13)

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