[Abandoned] - Scandinavia

[ender516]

Since Norway and Sweden are all shades of green, which are not well distinguished in the colourblind version, perhaps the blue shades of Finland should be swapped into Sweden. Then the only troublesome contact points would be in the north, where light and dark greens could be used for contrast.

[ballong]

Is this one needed with the Nordics map? Pretty much the same thing. Besides, shouldn't "Scandinavia" properly exclude Finland.

Yes, this is not scandinavia.. these are the nordic countries in an uneducated disguise. It´s not scandinavia unless you drop Finland.

[natty dread]

Is this one needed with the Nordics map? Pretty much the same thing. Besides, shouldn't "Scandinavia" properly exclude Finland.

Yes, this is not scandinavia.. these are the nordic countries in an uneducated disguise. It´s not scandinavia unless you drop Finland.

Nordic Countries includes Iceland. Part of Finland belongs to Scandinavia according to some definitions.

[CoolC]

Thanks for some concrete suggestions.

I used the primary colors (red, green, blue, yellow) for as great contrast as possible for full color seeing people but it's clear some compromise is needed. I think the easiest will be to change Norway to a different color. Not sure which one yet, maybe some other shade of green, or maybe something else completely.

[ender516]

Thanks for some concrete suggestions.

I used the primary colors (red, green, blue, yellow) for as great contrast as possible for full color seeing people but it's clear some compromise is needed. I think the easiest will be to change Norway to a different color. Not sure which one yet, maybe some other shade of green, or maybe something else completely.

Going by the colour-blind test, another shade of green won't help. The most common form of colour-blindness involves confusion of red and green, and that's what this test shows. The blue clearly isn't affected as much and would make a better separator colour.

[alster]

alstergren:

3. No. a part of the scandinavian range extend into finland. Denmark however should be excluded if I ment the mountain range. You are right that finland would be excluded if the word impled the scandi language region. However, what I ment to include what was most people in the world think of as "scandinavia".

4. You are wrong. The borders are pretty much exactly following the real existing borders, except a few minor changes to make space for everything and make it clearer. Or did you mean they are bad visually / graphics wise?

3. No. The term "Scandinavia" refers to Sweden, Finland and Norway (not Finland).
4. I am not. I live here. The region borders are much cruder in real life, not as soft. Take e.g. Jamtland and Västergötland (which doesn't extend to the sea in your version).

[CoolC]

I am also a swede you know... didn't emigrate until ca five years ago. And I can look at a map.

3. There is obviously more then one definition of "scandinavia". This may not be perfectly fitting all the definitions but it is correct to +/- one country. Unless you have a better name to suggest, I will ignore any further postings about the name.

4. Indeed you are correct that ALL details of the borders are not there. I started out with an almost exact copy of the borders but during the development of the map made minor modifications like smoothing out squiggles here and changing a border to some direction by a small margin, in order to make it clearer and avoid any confusion like "are those two bordering or not?" I removed the small sea extension of V.G since it didn't matter gameplay wise (wasn't bordering anything) and only made it look awkward esthetically. Overall we are talking about a single number of pixels movement of stuff. That is what most people I think would call very minor changes. It's still vastly more accurate then Nordic Countries.

[MrBenn]

Thanks for some concrete suggestions.

I used the primary colors (red, green, blue, yellow) for as great contrast as possible for full color seeing people but it's clear some compromise is needed. I think the easiest will be to change Norway to a different color. Not sure which one yet, maybe some other shade of green, or maybe something else completely.

Rather than just considering changes to region colours, consider adjusting the brightness/darkness; this will also help to make more contrast between two neighbouring regions, if you make one lighter and the other darker.

[ballong]

I am also a swede you know... didn't emigrate until ca five years ago. And I can look at a map.

3. There is obviously more then one definition of "scandinavia".

yes the correct one and a fuzzy "sometimes this and that" one by people who don´t really give a shit about the real definition.

No Finns that I know of would say they´re from Scandinavia (if they were brought up in Finland).
No Swedes that I know of that lives in Sweden would say Finland is Scandinavia.
same with danes and norwegians..

ooh.. just noticed that you have been on a personal crusade to uneducate people for two years..
well.. why not call/write some relatives if you used to be a swede? Chances are very high that they will not include Finland in Scandinavia.

This is what your map really is: (or at least a lot closer.. no kola peninsula)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fennoscandia

[CoolC]

ballong: *sigh*... It's never a good idea to attack others by displaying your own ignorance.

The definitions I was talking about are "the scandinavian mountains", "the scandinavian peninsula", "the scandinavian language area" etc. which are all very real and mean different things. There are additional definitions if you include what "people on the street" would answer, or do you seriously believe you would get a uniform answer? But this doesn't matter. You are missing the point.

This is an international website and I used a name that is recognisable by most of the international community. It doesn't matter if some people don't think that Finland is properly part of Scandinavia, it's a compromise that is close enough. I sortof planned to call it Nordic countries in the beginning but Scandinavia is equally accurate without Iceland and a more known name outside the Nordics, and now that name is taken by nattys map anyway. Calling it Fennoscandia to fit a certain geographic and geological term and at the same time making it completely unknown to 99% of the world population doesn't sound like a very clever idea, to use diplomatic language.

I haven't been on any crusade, I have only responded to the people asking about it. I find it fashinating that so many people are obsessed by a name. Yet no-one has given an explanation why the name matters so much for them, nor given a better suggestion. Almost seem like they only try to find something to complain about for the sake of complaining.

Anyway, thanks to the real contributions here. I am fighting to find some free time to get the next version out. Hopefully I can find it soon. And for what it's worth, I am still a swede even though I happen to be living abroad for the moment and be ashamed of the fact after the last election.

[CoolC]

Alright, i should be able to find some time to get a new version out in the next few days. Just makin a note here since I know it's been a while and I don't want to have the thread moved to the bin again

update 29/11: I wasn't able to work on it when I planned, other stuff got in the way. Now at last I'm finally making progress and I was hopeful of getting it online tonight but it's getting late and early tomorrow is work again. I hope you can give me a little longer... It'll be a pretty substantial update this time and I'm about halfway done. The colorblind issue with norway is fixed. At the moment im trying to get the new legend looking good. It will be part of a frame around the whole map. I will probably get three versions out to see which one is best (among normal borders, inverted borders and without army cicles)

[RedBaron0]

How we coming Cool?

[Gillipig]

Thanks for some concrete suggestions.

I used the primary colors (red, green, blue, yellow) for as great contrast as possible for full color seeing people but it's clear some compromise is needed. I think the easiest will be to change Norway to a different color. Not sure which one yet, maybe some other shade of green, or maybe something else completely.

I think you've worked long enough on this map to put it in the final forge! Whatever issues that pop up now are minor anyway and could be fixed after it's been put into BETA version later on!

By the way I started working on a map of the Swedish Empire six months ago! I haven't worked on it since then but I think it'll be a pretty nice map eventually! It has a completely different look to it than both yours and Natty's. Focusing on bonuses involving battles both sea and land and controll of resurces! I've taken inspiration from "Jamaica" and "Third Crusade" and I think I'll borrow some stuff from "Napoleonic Europe" as well! I'll put up what I have so far and start working on it in towards the end of January. Hope to see your comments then !

[CoolC]

RedBaron0: To be honest, I am not sure. I was hoping of getting it done last week but failed to find time, or rather time got misplaced on other things. I will try to work on it tomorrow and then again in 4 days (have to do with my shift cycle, i work rotating around the clock, some days there is time available before/after work, some not). If I haven't put up a new version in a week I am pretty certain I won't find time to work on this until mid-january and thus it might be eligable to be put on vacation-mode. I really hope to avoid this though...

Gillipeg: After next version I think it should be ready for the forge. If not it's quite likly I simply give up.

It is rather difficult to keep yourself focused and intererested on the same thing for 2+ years...

[Gillipig]

Gillipeg: After next version I think it should be ready for the forge. If not it's quite likly I simply give up.

It is rather difficult to keep yourself focused and intererested on the same thing for 2+ years...

I can imagine, but it must be even worse to to not finish it after all that work!
It looks good and it should be fun to play on so the sooner it's made playable the better. It's probably possible to work on a map forever if the aim is to make it perfect but fact is that I can't see anything that would stop this map from being put into the final forge! I don't know what more there's to do on this map in the workshop!!

[RedBaron0]

RedBaron0: To be honest, I am not sure. I was hoping of getting it done last week but failed to find time, or rather time got misplaced on other things. I will try to work on it tomorrow and then again in 4 days (have to do with my shift cycle, i work rotating around the clock, some days there is time available before/after work, some not). If I haven't put up a new version in a week I am pretty certain I won't find time to work on this until mid-january and thus it might be eligable to be put on vacation-mode. I really hope to avoid this though...

Gillipeg: After next version I think it should be ready for the forge. If not it's quite likly I simply give up.

It is rather difficult to keep yourself focused and intererested on the same thing for 2+ years...

Just let me or thenobodies know if you need a vacation.

[Eyestone]

It's clearly not a local who has made up the name for the regions. The name "Fold" sounds just weird as it's never used about any geographical region. It's either just Vestfold or Østfold, which is divided by Buskerud, Oslo and Akershus in between them. The dividing of Agder (which consist of Vest-Agder and Aust-Agder) is a different matter as they are natural "neighbours", but Fold is an unnatural combination with a fictional name. You must do something about that.

[CoolC]

Keep the thread in here. I got a tiny bit extra motivation from the holiday stamps and starting tomorrow I actually have 6 days off work. I should be able to find enough time for the map.

but Fold is an unnatural combination with a fictional name. You must do something about that.

I am not going to change the region boundaries at this point. But I can change the name of the region as-is, if you can suggest a better name. The other norweigians here haven't complained about it though. If you have a better name please suggest it in the next few days as I'd like to include it in the next version.

[Eyestone]

Keep the thread in here. I got a tiny bit extra motivation from the holiday stamps and starting tomorrow I actually have 6 days off work. I should be able to find enough time for the map.

but Fold is an unnatural combination with a fictional name. You must do something about that.

I am not going to change the region boundaries at this point. But I can change the name of the region as-is, if you can suggest a better name. The other norweigians here haven't complained about it though. If you have a better name please suggest it in the next few days as I'd like to include it in the next version.

Well, if you must keep the region as it is, I would call it Oslo as that's the natural centre there. It's not only a city but also a county. It might look weird when you don't have the other capitals for the other Scandinavian countries represented, but that's my best suggestion.

[thenobodies80]

Any news?

It has been a while since the last update...are you working on it?
Let us know something about the current status of developement or we must consider this project as stalled.

[thenobodies80]

[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made.

[CoolC]

Hello, I'm back on CC after about 5 years of absence. How time flies, it feels like yesterday...

I came back mostly to play a little bit again, but I thought I'd check if there is any interest in me reviving this old map project?

Based on the comments last time and my own opinion the only thing remaining to be done is a remake of the legend, so it shouldn't take too much time.

But maybe policies have changed here over the years disqualifying the map? Or maybe it's too many maps already?

I give it a go if you want to.

[IcePack]

Seems like theres a couple already covering this area, one nearly identical (but it covers iceland)

[benga]

Seems like theres a couple already covering this area, one nearly identical (but it covers iceland)

ditto, bring something new to this map or find another idea

[Arama86n]

CoolC, check out the map Nordic Countries.