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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby Evil DIMwit on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:45 am

It's kind of strange that the forests are so close in color and texture to Denmark.
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:47 am

Evil DIMwit wrote:It's kind of strange that the forests are so close in color and texture to Denmark.


Fortunately, Denmark doesn't have any forests.
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby OliverFA on Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:19 pm

Hello. Have been checking this XML. Have a concern about it.

You a continent, North Norway, which gives +3 armies. You have Svalbard, that gives an additional army. Then in the XML you have a continent called "Norway & Svalbard" that has North Norway and Svalbard as components, gives +4 armies and overrides North Norway.

But... You also have a continent called Norway that has North Norway and Sout Norway as components, gives +9 and also overrides North Norway.

I am not sure that this double override will work. Honestly have no idea how the engine works, but at least it triggers an alarm in my head. Depending how the engine is programmed, "North Norway and Svalbard" could override North Norway and make impossible for the full Norway continent to be triggered.

I will ask the right people about this issue and see what's the answer.

In the meantime, a minor nitpick. I think that Aland would look better in the small map if it was moved a little bit to the left.
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:06 pm

Well, if North Norway & Svalbard and Norway override North Norway, one would receive +13 for holding Norway and Svalbard, it seems. There would have to be an additional continent, Norway & Svalbard, that overrides North Norway & Svalbard and Norway. I would think it should already be there, since only the coordinates changed, I thought.

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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby DiM on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:09 pm

this map is perfectly functional as it is now and since nothing except army coords has changed i suppose the xml check is moot
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby Victor Sullivan on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:11 pm

I checked the xml (see code below) for the Svalbard thing you mentioned, Oliver, and it checks out okay.

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<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<map>
<positions>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Vesturland</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Føroyar</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Sjælland</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Skåne</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Bornholm</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Akershus</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Uppland</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Åland</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory start="3">Uusimaa</territory>
   </position>
</positions>
<continent>
   <name>Iceland</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Vestfirðir</territory>
      <territory>Norðurland</territory>
      <territory>Vesturland</territory>
      <territory>Reykjavik</territory>
      <territory>Suðurland</territory>
      <territory>Austurland</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Denmark</name>
   <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Nordjylland</territory>
      <territory>Midtjylland</territory>
      <territory>Syd-Danmark</territory>
      <territory>Fyn</territory>
      <territory>Sjælland</territory>
      <territory>København</territory>
      <territory>Bornholm</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>North Norway</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Finnmark</territory>
      <territory>Troms</territory>
      <territory>Lofoten</territory>
      <territory>Nordland</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>South Norway</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Trøndelag</territory>
      <territory>Møre og Romsdal</territory>
      <territory>Oppland</territory>
      <territory>Hedmark</territory>
      <territory>Hordaland</territory>
      <territory>Rogaland</territory>
      <territory>Agder</territory>
      <territory>Telemark</territory>
      <territory>Akershus</territory>
      <territory>Oslo</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Norrland</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Norra Lappland</territory>
      <territory>Norrbotten</territory>
      <territory>Södra Lappland</territory>
      <territory>Västerbotten</territory>
      <territory>Jämtland</territory>
      <territory>Ångermanland</territory>
      <territory>Hälsingland</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Swealand</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Dalarna</territory>
      <territory>Uppland</territory>
      <territory>Värmland</territory>
      <territory>Södermanland</territory>
      <territory>Stockholm</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Gothland</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Bohuslän</territory>
      <territory>Västergötland</territory>
      <territory>Skåne</territory>
      <territory>Småland</territory>
      <territory>Östergötland</territory>
      <territory>Gotland</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Finnish Lapland</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Käsivarsi</territory>
      <territory>Pohjois-Lappi</territory>
      <territory>Rovaniemi</territory>
      <territory>Kemijärvi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>South Finland</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Oulu</territory>
      <territory>Kainuu</territory>
      <territory>Pohjanmaa</territory>
      <territory>Keski-Suomi</territory>
      <territory>Pohjois-Karjala</territory>
      <territory>Åland</territory>
      <territory>Varsinais-Suomi</territory>
      <territory>Häme</territory>
      <territory>Helsinki</territory>
      <territory>Uusimaa</territory>
      <territory>Etelä-Savo</territory>
   </components>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>North Norway &amp; Svalbard</name>
   <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Svalbard</territory>
      <continent>North Norway</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>North Norway</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>Denmark &amp; Føroyar</name>
   <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Føroyar</territory>
      <continent>Denmark</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>Denmark</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>All Norway</name>
   <bonus>9</bonus>
   <components>
      <continent>North Norway</continent>
      <continent>South Norway</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>North Norway</override>
      <override>South Norway</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>All Sweden</name>
   <bonus>13</bonus>
   <components>
      <continent>Norrland</continent>
      <continent>Swealand</continent>
      <continent>Gothland</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>Norrland</override>
      <override>Swealand</override>
      <override>Gothland</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>All Finland</name>
   <bonus>9</bonus>
   <components>
      <continent>Finnish Lapland</continent>
      <continent>South Finland</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>Finnish Lapland</override>
      <override>South Finland</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<continent>
   <name>All Norway &amp; Svalbard</name>
   <bonus>11</bonus>
   <components>
      <territory>Svalbard</territory>
      <continent>All Norway</continent>
   </components>
   <overrides>
      <override>All Norway</override>
      <override>South Norway</override>
      <override>North Norway</override>
      <override>North Norway &amp; Svalbard</override>
   </overrides>
</continent>
<territory>
   <name>Vestfirðir</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norðurland</border>
      <border>Vesturland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>69</smallx>
      <smally>57</smally>
      <largex>86</largex>
      <largey>66</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Norðurland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vestfirðir</border>
      <border>Vesturland</border>
      <border>Austurland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>107</smallx>
      <smally>86</smally>
      <largex>137</largex>
      <largey>103</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Vesturland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Reykjavik</border>
      <border>Vestfirðir</border>
      <border>Norðurland</border>
      <border>Suðurland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>66</smallx>
      <smally>106</smally>
      <largex>83</largex>
      <largey>131</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Suðurland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vesturland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>86</smallx>
      <smally>140</smally>
      <largex>108</largex>
      <largey>170</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Austurland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Norðurland</border>
      <border>Svalbard</border>
      <border>Troms</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>179</smallx>
      <smally>114</smally>
      <largex>224</largex>
      <largey>139</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Reykjavik</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Vesturland</border>
      <border>Føroyar</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>44</smallx>
      <smally>118</smally>
      <largex>56</largex>
      <largey>143</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Svalbard</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Austurland</border>
      <border>Troms</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>261</smallx>
      <smally>30</smally>
      <largex>327</largex>
      <largey>31</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Føroyar</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Reykjavik</border>
      <border>Nordjylland</border>
      <border>Trøndelag</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>34</smallx>
      <smally>314</smally>
      <largex>44</largex>
      <largey>388</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Finnmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Troms</border>
      <border>Pohjois-Lappi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>416</smallx>
      <smally>93</smally>
      <largex>520</largex>
      <largey>109</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Troms</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Finnmark</border>
      <border>Svalbard</border>
      <border>Austurland</border>
      <border>Lofoten</border>
      <border>Käsivarsi</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>345</smallx>
      <smally>113</smally>
      <largex>432</largex>
      <largey>136</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Lofoten</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Troms</border>
      <border>Nordland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>289</smallx>
      <smally>172</smally>
      <largex>366</largex>
      <largey>209</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Nordland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Lofoten</border>
      <border>Trøndelag</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>253</smallx>
      <smally>239</smally>
      <largex>323</largex>
      <largey>295</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Trøndelag</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Nordland</border>
      <border>Jämtland</border>
      <border>Hedmark</border>
      <border>Oppland</border>
      <border>Møre og Romsdal</border>
      <border>Føroyar</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>211</smallx>
      <smally>331</smally>
      <largex>263</largex>
      <largey>407</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Møre og Romsdal</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Trøndelag</border>
      <border>Oppland</border>
      <border>Hordaland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>151</smallx>
      <smally>358</smally>
      <largex>188</largex>
      <largey>442</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hordaland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Møre og Romsdal</border>
      <border>Telemark</border>
      <border>Rogaland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>114</smallx>
      <smally>423</smally>
      <largex>144</largex>
      <largey>525</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Oppland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Møre og Romsdal</border>
      <border>Trøndelag</border>
      <border>Hedmark</border>
      <border>Akershus</border>
      <border>Telemark</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>170</smallx>
      <smally>403</smally>
      <largex>213</largex>
      <largey>504</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Hedmark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Trøndelag</border>
      <border>Oppland</border>
      <border>Akershus</border>
      <border>Jämtland</border>
      <border>Dalarna</border>
      <border>Värmland</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>214</smallx>
      <smally>413</smally>
      <largex>269</largex>
      <largey>511</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Rogaland</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Hordaland</border>
      <border>Telemark</border>
      <border>Agder</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>92</smallx>
      <smally>503</smally>
      <largex>119</largex>
      <largey>623</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Agder</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Rogaland</border>
      <border>Telemark</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>129</smallx>
      <smally>498</smally>
      <largex>161</largex>
      <largey>618</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Telemark</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Agder</border>
      <border>Rogaland</border>
      <border>Hordaland</border>
      <border>Oppland</border>
      <border>Akershus</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>152</smallx>
      <smally>479</smally>
      <largex>191</largex>
      <largey>592</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Akershus</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Telemark</border>
      <border>Oppland</border>
      <border>Hedmark</border>
      <border>Värmland</border>
      <border>Bohuslän</border>
      <border>Oslo</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>196</smallx>
      <smally>469</smally>
      <largex>249</largex>
      <largey>581</largey>
   </coordinates>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Oslo</name>
   <borders>
      <border>Akershus</border>
   </borders>
   <coordinates>
      <smallx>195</smallx>
      <smally>448</smally>
      <largex>245</largex>
      <largey>555</largey>
   </coordinates>
   <neutral>3</neutral>
   <bonus>1</bonus>
</territory>
<territory>
   <name>Nordjylland</name>
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:55 pm

The xml is fine. Overrides look good. I'll send the files to lackattack tomorrow ( ehm today...)
In any case it's always better to ask and double check a file than assume a thing and then make a bad mistake. ;)

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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby OliverFA on Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:34 am

DiM wrote:this map is perfectly functional as it is now and since nothing except army coords has changed i suppose the xml check is moot


That's the definitive argument. If it is working now, then it works. So <override> only affects the bonus and does not overrides the continent itself. Good to know.

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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 27, 2011 12:40 am

OliverFA wrote:That's the definitive argument. If it is working now, then it works. So <override> only affects the bonus and does not overrides the continent itself. Good to know.


If it did override the whole continent, then what would be the point of having those continents in the first place? ;)

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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Aug 27, 2011 7:09 am

The new files were sent to lackattack.
Although I'm not going to stamp it again, the map will be labelled as Beta for some time, just to be sure there're no issues with the new graphics. ;)

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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Sat Aug 27, 2011 8:12 am

thenobodies80 wrote:The new files were sent to lackattack.
Although I'm not going to stamp it again, the map will be labelled as Beta for some time, just to be sure there're no issues with the new graphics. ;)


Aww... I was hoping I could make a stamping record on the map... :D
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby lostatlimbo on Sun Aug 28, 2011 5:35 pm

Mountains and forests look fantastic now. Well done!
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Re: Nordic Countries (revamp)

Postby Dukasaur on Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:11 am

natty_dread wrote:Ok Dim, Andy & rest, please take the discussion about 2010 maps to another thread, this is a map thread after all.

About this revamp: Dim, I get what you're saying, but honestly, this revamp is something I want to do. Nordic Countries, the map, means a lot to me, firstly because I happen to live there and secondly because it's my first map. It's a map that in my mind deserves better treatment than what I gave it when I was still a foundry noob and made graphics with paint.

Also, I enjoy doing graphics. It's something I do because I like it. When I start a new project, I don't think if it's a waste of time or if I could spend my efforts on something better - or to put it in other words, even if this revamp does nothing to the popularity of NC, even if it doesn't benefit anything, it doesn't matter to me, because I enjoy the graphics work. It's what I do.

Now, would anyone care to give opinion about the graphics?

Quite honestly, I didn't think there was anything wrong with the original. It's one of my favourite maps, actually. But hey, you enjoy the creative process, so by all means, have some fun. Nothing wrong with the new version either. And I like the shields.

The "[Discussion Topic]" button on the map still links to the old thread, which is locked. That should be re-directed to here, no?
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby natty dread on Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:48 am

Yes, it should.
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Re: Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]

Postby derfderf on Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:09 am

like the map and the new design but would not keep finland purple
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