Re: RAIL ASIA [1.11.12] QUENCHED

[onbekende]

Its cairnswk with trains o/

[cairnswk]

Its cairnswk with trains o/

[xman5151]

I never venture into these forums - but I must say I really like this one, I think it is very easy to understand how everything connects in comparison to older rail maps (Granted I have no idea who made the old rail maps, but still ). Great job on it, I like the presentation!!!

[cairnswk]

I never venture into these forums - but I must say I really like this one, I think it is very easy to understand how everything connects in comparison to older rail maps (Granted I have no idea who made the old rail maps, but still ). Great job on it, I like the presentation!!!

Thanks xman5151...glad to hear you're pleased with it...ah, i made the older rail maps expect for Rail USA (although my idea)

[onbekende]

cairnswk is the trainman

lets start a game on this one

[cairnswk]

cairnswk is the trainman

lets start a game on this one

Done!

[chapcrap]

MHD can not attack DSH B. That wasn't very clear to me when playing.

[cairnswk]

MHD can not attack DSH B. That wasn't very clear to me when playing.

Mmm. think it is quite clear given there is a brown line running from MHD to DSH.

[chapcrap]

MHD can not attack DSH B. That wasn't very clear to me when playing.

Mmm. think it is quite clear given there is a brown line running from MHD to DSH.

It's not that clear. The shades aren't very distinguishable, IMO. And it's odd that the connection isn't there anyway, given the fact that both terts are connected and the B line is on both of them. I don't remember seeing that happen in any of the other rail maps.

[cairnswk]

MHD can not attack DSH B. That wasn't very clear to me when playing.

Mmm. think it is quite clear given there is a brown line running from MHD to DSH.

It's not that clear. The shades aren't very distinguishable, IMO. And it's odd that the connection isn't there anyway, given the fact that both terts are connected and the B line is on both of them. I don't remember seeing that happen in any of the other rail maps.

chapcrap, just because it doesn't happen on any other rail map, doesn't mean it can't happen on this one. So there are three of these stations on this map. It's not odd, just designed that way...as tnb80 said to me just recently..."get used to it" - it part of gameplay designed in this map.
Yes, stations like MHD are on Rail Africa and in that case all lines running throught those stations are indicated on the map.
There are several station like MHD on Rail Australia and in each case, lines end at those stations because of the state system we have in Australia.
Rail Europe is much like Rail Africa as is Rail USA - but there is no double line running from MHD to DSH - surely that yould have alerted you to something different going on here if you were playing on the premise of this being similar to what you thought happened on other rail maps.
All it means on this map is that MHD only has one terminus which serves both rail lines instead of having two lines running to DSH which does not happen here, consequently you can't assault from MHD to DSH B along the brown line.
You'll know better for next game you play.
As for the shades, and no offense but are you colour-blind?

[chapcrap]

First, I was wrong about it not being like that on other maps. I just played a turn on Rail Europe and the same situation occurs there.

Second, I'm not color blind, but those colors looks similar to me. Probably because everything looks so much like pastel.

[nippersean]

Just played my first game on it, foggy quads, plays really well. Very nicely balanced.

Nice work geezer, looking like it might be best of the lot.

[cairnswk]

Just played my first game on it, foggy quads, plays really well. Very nicely balanced.

Nice work geezer, looking like it might be best of the lot.

Thanks nippersean. Pleased u like it!

[Jippd]

I have not played this map yet but I have to agree with chap on the station issue. According to the rules "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines". Since MHD is both a B and a J it should be able to attack either DSH B or J. Since DSH B is adjacent to MHD B and DSH J is adjacent to MHD J and MHD B and MHD J are the same then they should all be inter-adjacent.

I think your argument as a map maker is that the B and J rail lines are different colors. I can notice a general color variation, but I can't tell if it is the background or the lines, or what since there are many colors everywhere. If you were to ask me about the color of the lines that go from SKD and MHD to DSH I would say they are very similar in color. I think the reasoning that MHD B/J can't attack DSH B is because the line is colored as the J line is. I don't think that is completely clear and the instructions don't say anything about the color of a rail line mattering.

I think the problem is with the pastel colors and the pastel background it makes it all kind of fade together. It's a nice looking map, but I can see how the colors seem to blend and be different shades of the same color in certain areas.

[cairnswk]

I have not played this map yet but I have to agree with chap on the station issue. According to the rules "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines"....

and yes, there is no "light gray slate" line that runs from MHD to DSH.
If i wanted to be able to attack from MHD to DSH via B line, i would have placed two coloured lines like there is going into PSD or AST, so from the instructions MHD B cannot attack DSH B.
And yes, those rail lines are different colours, one is brown and the other light gray slate.

[Jippd]

I have not played this map yet but I have to agree with chap on the station issue. According to the rules "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines"....

and yes, there is no "light gray slate" line that runs from MHD to DSH.
If i wanted to be able to attack from MHD to DSH via B line, i would have placed two coloured lines like there is going into PSD or AST, so from the instructions MHD B cannot attack DSH B.
And yes, those rail lines are different colours, one is brown and the other light gray slate.

Right but nowhere in the instructions does it say anything about colors being involved in any way and only being allowed to attack from one station to another as long as they are adjacent AND have the same color start and destination and rail line in between. Does that make sense?

[cairnswk]

I have not played this map yet but I have to agree with chap on the station issue. According to the rules "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines"....

and yes, there is no "light gray slate" line that runs from MHD to DSH.
If i wanted to be able to attack from MHD to DSH via B line, i would have placed two coloured lines like there is going into PSD or AST, so from the instructions MHD B cannot attack DSH B.
And yes, those rail lines are different colours, one is brown and the other light gray slate.

Right but nowhere in the instructions does it say anything about colors being involved in any way and only being allowed to attack from one station to another as long as they are adjacent AND have the same color start and destination and rail line in between. Does that make sense?

Yes it does make sense, but surely "adjacant station along their lines" tells you something doesn't it.
If MHD is adjacant to DSH (condition true) and there was a light gray slate line running between the two stations (condition false in this situation) then as it stands the entire condition is false.

[ender516]

I have to side with cairnswk on this. It states that "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines". The lines have different colours, so it should be clear that the colours tell you which lines are "their lines" and which are not.

[cairnswk]

I have to side with cairnswk on this. It states that "stations assault adjacent stations along their lines". The lines have different colours, so it should be clear that the colours tell you which lines are "their lines" and which are not.

Phew!

[thenobodies80]

Although the two colors are not so different I personally think that they are different enough to understand you can't attack from MHD to DSH.
Said that, take a note cairnswk, if many others have the same issue we can think about something to make it more clear.

[cairnswk]

Although the two colors are not so different I personally think that they are different enough to understand you can't attack from MHD to DSH.
Said that, take a note cairnswk, if many others have the same issue we can think about something to make it more clear.

Ah, tnb80 i think that should read above as being "can't attack from MHD (BJ) to DSH (B)" shouldn't it?
I really cannot beleive you would also say those two colours are not so different, because i will argue black and blue (or should that be gray and brown) that they are.
Still if it is causing everyone so much trouble i will place something in the legend notations top right to say
*MHD (BJ) cannot assault DSH (B)

[cairnswk]

Version 32

Please note: *MHD (BJ) cannot assault DSH (B) has been placed in the notations.
Also a double line has been added, this does not affect gameplay, but is a graphical correction.

Click image to enlarge.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... a_V32S.png
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... a_V32L.png

tnb80...can you forward to lackattack please for uploading, thanks.

[Jippd]

Thanks

[thenobodies80]

I will send it this evening when back home!

btw I had no problems also with the previous version, for me was really clear and I was able to distinguish colors eailsy. Just you never know what people can think or see. If I read that someone has issue with colors I have to look at the issue with an objective point of view and honestly, even if colors are really clear in the station, those maybe less distinct on the rail lines for someone.
I'm not asking you to add a note on the map, on the opposite I personally think is something almost foolish because it like say that if someone else has issue with another line you have to add another note, and then again and again...etc
It seems a little absurd to me that someone can complain about a thing that is purely imagination, the fact that the there's no connection between the two's is clear to me....BUT if I have to find (and I have) a reason for that...i would say that colors are less distinct on the rail line than on the station.
Maybe you misread my post cairnswk or maybe I'm misreading your reply.

I just asked to you to write down a reminder (not on the map ) and evaluate the possibility to add a note (on the map) if many have the same issue.
For me the map was fine as it was in the previous version

Nobodies

[cairnswk]

tnb80, i can tell you i am not a "30,000 shades of grey" person
i like things black or white.
Either it is or it isn't.
At least now it is there. As much i too couldn't beleive the issue, it is there so there shouldn't be any probs
...until somebody comes and ask "what the double line mean" OMG