Conquer Club

guttorm wrote:Your definition of "classic" seems a bit peculiar.. makes me think of something very old and original that later things are modeled upon - not simply another word for great.
I´m sure it could be called classic australian within that specific geographical context, but it´s hardly one of the truly classic cities of the world.

..but exaggeration is the sign of these times and the map looks good so never mind..

guttorm wrote:Your definition of "classic" seems a bit peculiar.. makes me think of something very old and original that later things are modeled upon - not simply another word for great.
I´m sure it could be called classic australian within that specific geographical context, but it´s hardly one of the truly classic cities of the world.

..but exaggeration is the sign of these times and the map looks good so never mind..

guttorm wrote:aha.. gotya.. I misunderstood within what context the word classic was used. Ignore my previous comment.

Classic:
Origin:
early 17th century: from French classique or Latin classicus 'belonging to a class or division', later 'of the highest class', from classis (see class)

Note that classic means ‘typical, excellent as an example, timeless,’ as in John Ford directed many classic Westerns, and classical means ‘relating to Greek or Roman antiquity’ ( the museum was built in the classical style). Great art is considered classic, not classical, unless it is created in the forms of antiquity. Classical music is the exception to this rule, being formal music adhering to certain stylistic principles of the late 18th century.

adjective
1. judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind: a classic novel a classic car
(of a garment or design) of a simple, elegant style not greatly subject to changes in fashion: this classic navy blazer

2. very typical of its kind: Hamlet is the classic example of a tragedy I had all the classic symptoms of flu

classic

Pronunciation: /ˈklasɪk/
adjective

1judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind: a classic novel a classic car
(of a garment or design) of a simple, elegant style not greatly subject to changes in fashion: this classic navy blazer

2very typical of its kind: Hamlet is the classic example of a tragedy I had all the classic symptoms of flu

noun

1. a work of art of recognized and established value: his books have become classics
a garment of a simple, elegant, and long-lasting style.
a thing which is memorable and a very good example of its kind: he’s hoping that tomorrow’s game will be a classic

2. (Classics) a subject at school or university which involves the study of ancient Greek and Latin literature, philosophy, and history: an honours degree in Classics
(the classics) the works of ancient Greek and Latin writers and philosophers.
dated a scholar of ancient Greek and Latin.

3. (Classic) a major sports tournament or competition, especially in golf or tennis: the Australian Classic
(in the UK) each of the five main flat races of the horse-racing season.

nolefan5311 wrote:cairns, further review by Ian and myself indicates that you may need to lower the bonuses for Lower B.M, Upper B.M, BMNP, and Northwest Highlands even more. As is, a person can hold Parr State, Wilberforce, Winmalee, and Warragamba (4 regions) for a +12 bonus, or they can hold Winmalee and Warragamba (2 regions) for a +9.

What you may need to do is reduce each of the bonuses by 1, or perhaps combine the Upper BM and Lower BM bonuses into one continent at a +5 or something like that. That is, unless you're opposed to adding some sort of long range connection into the region, but I know you strive for geographic authenticity.. Maybe there can be a one way attack from Sydney to the Dam region, since you said that the dam is the sole provider of power to Sydney? Just an idea, let me know how you'd like to proceed.

cairnswk wrote:i am quite happy to reduce bonuses if that fits the criteria of getting some balance.
I have also added next version a bridge between Richmond and Winmalee (true to life) so there is one more assault path into the Blue Mountains to make it less isolated.

cairnswk wrote:I'll also do some research to see if it possible that walking/hiking trails exist from Parr down to Bilpin and then to Katoomba.
That might be any another avenue to have that less closed off.

iancanton wrote:

cairnswk wrote:i am quite happy to reduce bonuses if that fits the criteria of getting some balance.
I have also added next version a bridge between Richmond and Winmalee (true to life) so there is one more assault path into the Blue Mountains to make it less isolated.

this is good, and can be improved more by combining the upper bm and lower bm bonuses into one of +5 to make the western side less bonus-heavy. also consider blocking off, for example, springwood from blue mountains national park so that the latter cannot attack every single region along the road; it isn't supposed to be a transport hub.

cairnswk wrote:I'll also do some research to see if it possible that walking/hiking trails exist from Parr down to Bilpin and then to Katoomba.
That might be any another avenue to have that less closed off.

no, do not do this. in fact, i'll go further and encourage u to put mountains between winmalee and kurrajong (i believe the road from winmalee to kurrajong goes thru richmond anyway, across that bridge u're about to add), to provide a barrier between the bonuses that are west and north of the river, so that the preferred strategy for this map is not just to take an easy western or northern bonus, then expand to the next easy adjacent bonus and so on to win the game without going anywhere near either the middle of the map or sydney itself.

etalong and narrabean ought to be ettalong and narrabeen respectively.

the northeast isn't quite right. there isn't an easy way to reach ettalong by road unless u go thru woy woy. it's the other way round on our map. we can make this corner bonus less attractive by removing the bridge to kuringai-chase and reducing its bonus from +2 to +1.
ian.

cairnswk wrote:

iancanton wrote:this is good, and can be improved more by combining the upper bm and lower bm bonuses into one of +5 to make the western side less bonus-heavy.

do we really have to combine those two bonuses...i'm totally not in favour of it. i'd prefer to have a couple of small bonuses there to capture to even with the east side...

nolefan5311 wrote:What you may need to do is reduce each of the bonuses by 1

cairnswk wrote:

iancanton wrote:mountains between winmalee and kurrajong (i believe the road from winmalee to kurrajong goes thru richmond anyway, across that bridge u're about to add), to provide a barrier between the bonuses that are west and north of the river, so that the preferred strategy for this map is not just to take an easy western or northern bonus, then expand to the next easy adjacent bonus and so on to win the game without going anywhere near either the middle of the map or sydney itself.

Grose River added there as the impassables instead of mountains, and there is now a bridge from Richmond to Kurrajong.

cairnswk wrote:

iancanton wrote:the northeast isn't quite right. there isn't an easy way to reach ettalong by road unless u go thru woy woy. it's the other way round on our map. we can make this corner bonus less attractive by removing the bridge to kuringai-chase and reducing its bonus from +2 to +1.

that bridge represents the railway bridge that can be traversed at a pinch to get into those regions, so yes it can be crossed...i'd rather not lose it otherwise it makes that corner too closed off.

iancanton wrote:...
these two bonus zones are small, but +3 and +4 are not both small bonuses. +2 and +3 may qualify as small bonuses.

iancanton wrote:a river works just fine! i'm more comfortable with a +2 bonus for nw highlands instead of +3 because of its corner position.

iancanton wrote:point accepted about being too closed off. however, whether u go by road or rail, u have to go thru woy woy to reach ettalong and the map shows that u have to go thru ettalong to reach woy woy, which is the wrong way round.

is it ku-ring-gai chase national park, not kuringai-chase national park?

londonerry ought to be londonderry and falconbridge is correctly faulconbridge.
ian.

DoomYoshi wrote:I really like this map. A lot of small bonuses without neutrals everywhere. Beta this shit already.

nolefan5311 wrote:Let's get this one moved on up...
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isaiah40 wrote:Okay here is the first graphical concern. Your crosswalks aren't consistent. See image below. On some you have the crosswalk lines going from from one side of the road to the other side, while others go with the road. Also "Cove" in Lane Cove kind of gets lost with the outline (see second image. Can you reduce Blacktown and just not have the road meet as a four corner? In this way you can have Lane Cove a little bigger and move the name so it doesn't go over the outline

Nola_Lifer wrote:Hey, the border lines are thicker in some spots; i.e., S.E. Suburbs and Southern Highlands, while most of the others are thinner. Love how clean this map looks.

Nola_Lifer wrote:Hey, the border lines are thicker in some spots; i.e., S.E. Suburbs and Southern Highlands, while most of the others are thinner. Love how clean this map looks.

chapcrap wrote:

Nola_Lifer wrote:Hey, the border lines are thicker in some spots; i.e., S.E. Suburbs and Southern Highlands, while most of the others are thinner. Love how clean this map looks.

That whole statement sounds like an oxymoron.

cairnswk wrote:

chapcrap wrote:

Nola_Lifer wrote:Hey, the border lines are thicker in some spots; i.e., S.E. Suburbs and Southern Highlands, while most of the others are thinner. Love how clean this map looks.

That whole statement sounds like an oxymoron.

chapcrap, i appreciate your post, but critisizing other's posts will only serve to deter them from posting, and there is little enough proactive posting done in the foundry these days. I would rather keep quiet than offer something that doesn't advance or encourage the map if i can't find domething decent to say.

chapcrap wrote:

cairnswk wrote:

chapcrap wrote:

Nola_Lifer wrote:Hey, the border lines are thicker in some spots; i.e., S.E. Suburbs and Southern Highlands, while most of the others are thinner. Love how clean this map looks.

That whole statement sounds like an oxymoron.

chapcrap, i appreciate your post, but critisizing other's posts will only serve to deter them from posting, and there is little enough proactive posting done in the foundry these days. I would rather keep quiet than offer something that doesn't advance or encourage the map if i can't find domething decent to say.

Are you trying to discourage me from posting?

I was just saying that it doesn't make sense what he said. He says that the borders aren't that great and then calls the map clean. That's contradictory. It wasn't a personal attack.

Nola_Lifer wrote:Stamp time?