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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:06 pm

MrBenn wrote:You could then amend the name of the circum-caribbean bonus on the legend of the North American portion of the map to "Indies", and give it a bonus of 3 or 4?


Now this is a good idea!!
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby natty dread on Thu Feb 03, 2011 5:49 pm

Are you suggesting adding a territory? Because 128 won't work with 4 player games...
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby isaiah40 on Thu Feb 03, 2011 6:33 pm

natty_dread wrote:Are you suggesting adding a territory? Because 128 won't work with 4 player games...


No, MrBenn was suggesting on adding a bonus with the territories already there.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby Tisha on Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:18 pm

I'm not sure how I would group them together.. I feel like they need to be on N. Americas paper.. but they won't fit
I'm getting am Idea, jusst a minute. ;)


also, I'm not a writer, and can't put words together to make the legend about 1 for every 4 letter like ..
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby laughingcavalier on Thu Feb 03, 2011 8:37 pm

Looking good.
I think if the islands on the southern map sheet were the same colour as the northern islands, it wouldn't matter that they are on a different sheet, in fact it might help to make the two sheets look more together.
I'm also not sure you want to change the bonus name to "indies" - one of the strengths of this map is it draws on pre-colonial days & the more colonial language you put in the less it is "first nations."
And "Circum-Caribbean" works well with the region name "Carib" as part of that bonus.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby keiths31 on Thu Feb 03, 2011 10:03 pm

I don't know much about map making or gameplay...but this map looks like it would be epic.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby Tisha on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:29 am

what about something like:


It's not finished, but it's an idea
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Feb 04, 2011 12:59 am

Elegant, thematic touch- I like it. Are you going to make the Indies a single bonus?
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby Tisha on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:13 am

MarshalNey wrote:Elegant, thematic touch- I like it. Are you going to make the Indies a single bonus?

yeah, worth three

what do you think about the other bonuses?

n. amazon should probably change
what about N. and S. Meso-America?

3 for all of those?
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:35 am

I think these two are fairly straightforward as there are good +2 example bonus areas to compare with and a +3 bonus area (5 regions, 4 borders)-

Carribean: +3
N.Amazon: +3 (down from +4)

As for N.Meso-America, nothing has changed really, and with only 4 regions and 3 borders it looks like the map standard is clearly at +2. Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible, I'm thinking:

N.Meso-America: +2 (unchanged)

For S.Meso-Amercia, it is sort of in a 'gray-area' as far as the overall bonus bias (baseline) is concerned. At 5 regions and 3 borders, it is unique. No other +2 bonus has 5 regions. I'm thinking in light of this:

S.Meso-America: +3 (up from +2)


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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby Tisha on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:02 pm

anything else?

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby MarshalNey on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:12 pm

I sent out the Map Surveyors bulletin tonight, if nobody notices anything within the next 2 or 3 days, I'll stamp it. Good work!

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby MadagascarAdam on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:40 pm

Wow, beautiful! Can't wait to start playing it! I love big maps like this, too!
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 5

Postby ghirrindin on Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:13 am

laughingcavalier wrote:Looking good.
I think if the islands on the southern map sheet were the same colour as the northern islands, it wouldn't matter that they are on a different sheet, in fact it might help to make the two sheets look more together.
I'm also not sure you want to change the bonus name to "indies" - one of the strengths of this map is it draws on pre-colonial days & the more colonial language you put in the less it is "first nations."
And "Circum-Caribbean" works well with the region name "Carib" as part of that bonus.


Well.. the term "First Nations" itself bespeaks of Aboriginal sovereign assertions under the Canadian settler state, a distinctly post-contact development. Your point is well taken, however, as Tisha has carefully deployed indigenous signifiers on both maps, a project I suspect directly relates to the title of the map itself. Curiously enough however, as the map does gesture towards a Pre-Columbian past (not entirely, though, since we have the Seminoles), it seem peculiar that the cartographer chose an image with a Native on a horse.

The mapmaker is studied, but irregularities will always persist. Bonus names and thematic elements are her prerogative, I say.

The map is utterly gorgeous. Simply cannot wait to play. :) :)
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby Tisha on Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:42 am

well, I didn't know horses went extinct in North America.. :oops:

I'll find something similar style.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby MarshalNey on Sat Feb 05, 2011 1:28 am

ghirrindin wrote:Curiously enough however, as the map does gesture towards a Pre-Columbian past (not entirely, though, since we have the Seminoles), it seem peculiar that the cartographer chose an image with a Native on a horse.


That's a good point actually, I can't believe I missed that too. Yeah, Tisha, as far as I know horses were introduced by European settlers. Still... I liked the picture, sigh.

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby Tisha on Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:17 am

MarshalNey wrote:
ghirrindin wrote:Curiously enough however, as the map does gesture towards a Pre-Columbian past (not entirely, though, since we have the Seminoles), it seem peculiar that the cartographer chose an image with a Native on a horse.


That's a good point actually, I can't believe I missed that too. Yeah, Tisha, as far as I know horses were introduced by European settlers. Still... I liked the picture, sigh.

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby The Bison King on Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:33 am

MarshalNey wrote:
ghirrindin wrote:Curiously enough however, as the map does gesture towards a Pre-Columbian past (not entirely, though, since we have the Seminoles), it seem peculiar that the cartographer chose an image with a Native on a horse.


That's a good point actually, I can't believe I missed that too. Yeah, Tisha, as far as I know horses were introduced by European settlers. Still... I liked the picture, sigh.

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Yeah, but isn't that fine, since there are European style ships on the map as well? Ones named after European ships hat discovered the America's. It seems as if this map is of a 1500's time period. Like the first nations as they were discovered by the Europeans. Horses could have been introduced by this point.

Btw I love that picture!
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:00 pm

If you closely at that picture you will see that the native is holding a rifle! I don't think they had rifles before the Europeans came. But I'm just nitpicking. On the flip side maybe the picture needs to be changed to reflect the time period a little more accurately IMVHO.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby Tisha on Sat Feb 05, 2011 7:24 pm

DON't point out the gun TOO!! :(



edit: *clears cache*

I mean.. What gun?!?

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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:41 pm

No worries, I like the picture as well and just saw the rifle there. Oh well, I think I'll let the mods make the decision on it. I tlooks like it fits and it's off to the side where no one will be noticing it much.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 05, 2011 8:58 pm

IMO, since you have the ships on the map, you can just as well have the horse and the gun.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby skillfull on Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:59 pm

Great work Tisha, i cant wait to play this map =D> =D>
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby The Bison King on Sat Feb 05, 2011 11:45 pm

natty_dread wrote:IMO, since you have the ships on the map, you can just as well have the horse and the gun.

This is my sentiment exactly.
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Re: First Nations combined. Update pg. 6

Postby Tisha on Sun Feb 06, 2011 12:23 am

The Bison King wrote:
natty_dread wrote:IMO, since you have the ships on the map, you can just as well have the horse and the gun.

This is my sentiment exactly.

well, I photoshopped the gun out. we can do with the horse?
I even got rid of the horse reins in my most recent save.
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