Three Kingdoms of Korea [Quenched]

[natty dread]

Ok, here.

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while i'm not fond of how strong the colours are now, i'm pretty sure most people will prefer it over the old version:

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That's not the current version.

[thenobodies80]

In any case if you want to emulate the CC compression, you have just to set it to 80% (btw it's an issue you know I'm working on), but as DiM said in this case the colors are the problem, not the compression.

Ok, set the compression to 80. What about the other settings? Subsampling, DCT method, Smoothing, optimization? I have no idea which settings lack uses.

You ask yourself about too many options. Don't worry about them, listen to me. Just set quality to 80%. (and don't use progressive images that are hateful)
This is what Lack probably does --> http://help.adobe.com/en_US/fireworks/cs/using/images/oe_UsingFW-Optimize-ImagePreview.png

As said this issue will be solved soon, even if, as I said, in this case the problem is not that the map suffers of a quality loss, but more that colors look all the same/similar for colorblind people.
The new version is much better, except for junks.

[natty dread]

You ask yourself about too many options. Don't worry about them, listen to me. Just set quality to 80%.

Ok, but those options are still there and I don't know what to set them so that the result becomes the same as what lackattack does.

And even so, how will I know it ever does? Lackattack uses a different software alltogether. How do I know lack's software doesn't use different compression algorithms that produce different results?

The % of quality isn't the only option that affects the size & quality of JPEG images.

The new version is much better, except for junks.

Actually I think the new version looks like crap. The colours are horribly bright and look like someone vomited on my screen.

So maybe you should just take this map offline until I have the time to redraw it properly.

[natty dread]

So, I hope this version works for you. If not, there's not much I can do.

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korea9.xml

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[gimil]

i think it looks pretty decent, mate.

[thenobodies80]

Actually I think the new version looks like crap. The colours are horribly bright and look like someone vomited on my screen.

So maybe you should just take this map offline until I have the time to redraw it properly.

No, I don't.
I think you have to adjust your monitor settings...the new version is much better and i tested it on two different machines (I can do a third test in few hours).
Seriously....do something to your monitor/machine....It's been a while you post/draw only washed color maps and now I understand the reason!

I can't test the junks right now with colorblind filters....did you worked on their colors? (red/teal)

[natty dread]

Nobodies, I already posted a version which you can upload, with XML and all (see my last post).

I think you have to adjust your monitor settings...

There's nothing wrong with my monitor settings. My monitor settings are perfect.

Little known fact: Some monitors display a higher range of colours than other monitors. For example, on my laptop, all images look much more washed out because of this.

So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.

[DiM]

So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.

that's right, everybody except you uses cheap laptop monitors.
especially tnb80. i heard that when he became a foundry foreman he inherited a crappy 12 inch, IBM 5151 monochrome monitor. lack has been keeping it since 1984 and has passed it from generation to generation. it still has some banana peels on it from when andy used to have it.

[natty dread]

So... it's not my fault if you only use cheap laptop monitors.

that's right, everybody except you uses cheap laptop monitors.
especially tnb80. i heard that when he became a foundry foreman he inherited a crappy 12 inch, IBM 5151 monochrome monitor. lack has been keeping it since 1984 and has passed it from generation to generation. it still has some banana peels on it from when andy used to have it.

What the f*ck is your problem again?

[natty dread]

Seriously, this is getting moronic.

You'd think if there was something wrong with "my monitor settings" then perhaps photographs, video etc. would look distorted when I view them? Or too colourful or something?

How is it that when I take a picture with my digital camera, and look at it on my computer, it appears exactly as it should, not overly saturated as would be the case if my "monitor settings" were at fault.

When I look at youtube videos or shit like that, the colours appear normal. Ie. the same as what I see in the real world, with my eyes.

Then again, I see some people use colours on their maps that make me want to gouge out my retinas and eat them for breakfast. It's those guys whose monitor settings should be examined more closely, I wager.

But no, that doesn't stop some people from assuming that I can't fucking use a monitor, and talking down to me like an idiot who "needs to adjust your monitor" because "your maps look like shit". Yeah thanks, that's really heartwarming.

Seriously people, use your fucking brains.

[DiM]

Seriously people, use your fucking brains.

tone it down and use yours for a change. if it were just one person telling you the map is lacking colour then i'd be inclined to trust the map maker but in this case EVERYBODY is telling you the same thing. so i really doubt EVERYBODY has bad monitors or that EVERYBODY is wrong about the colours.

i haven't seen a single person to take your side in this matter so according to the foundry rules you must do as you're told by the community.

also watch the language. a point can be made without using f*ck every couple of words. it doesn't make you smarter it doesn't make you cooler and it doesn't help your case. you should have realised this when you were 14.

[drunkmonkey]

i haven't seen a single person to take your side in this matter

I think it looks great, and don't understand what all the fuss is about.

[natty dread]

Seriously people, use your fucking brains.

tone it down and use yours for a change. if it were just one person telling you the map is lacking colour then i'd be inclined to trust the map maker but in this case EVERYBODY is telling you the same thing. so i really doubt EVERYBODY has bad monitors or that EVERYBODY is wrong about the colours.

i haven't seen a single person to take your side in this matter so according to the foundry rules you must do as you're told by the community.

also watch the language. a point can be made without using f*ck every couple of words. it doesn't make you smarter it doesn't make you cooler and it doesn't help your case. you should have realised this when you were 14.

Excuse me, did I miss the time you became a moderator? Or did I miss you becoming the fucking internet language police? How about you take that condescending, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?

And no, "everybody" is not "telling me the same thing" - it's a small minority who has problems with the colours. I don't see a huge flood of input from the hundreds of people who have played this map coming over here complaining about the colours. Do you?

Secondly, taking the colours of this one map and assuming that I must be an idiot who can't use his monitor is absurd and idiotic. The low-saturation colour scheme of the map was a conscious and intentional artistic choice. It was not done because "my monitor settings are wrong" like some people are so fond of assuming. Sure, you can argue whether it was the right choice or not, but please don't assume I'm a fucking moron who can't use a computer or set his monitor settings. It's sort of insulting.

Third, no one had a problem with the colour scheme when the map was in development. No one brought up the issue back then, so I didn't see reason to change them. Only after the map has been in beta have some people (mostly the colour blind) been announcing that they have problems with the map. AND I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE ISSUE AND FIXING THE COLOURS! I've already done two (2) separate updates addressing the colour issue. So I don't see what the big fucking deal is, why you have to badger me about this. I've already posted an update with increased colour saturation - what more do you want from me?

[The Bison King]

i haven't seen a single person to take your side in this matter

I think it looks great, and don't understand what all the fuss is about.

*raises hand*

I thought the old washed out colors looked fine. Yeah, maybe hey weren't instantly recognizable but they looked good. All it takes is a few extra seconds of studying the map to match the colors with the bonuses. I think that that is entirely in the hands of the players. It's not the map makers fault that you are completely lazy, and need everything to be as obvious as day and thrown in your face.

The washed out colors are fine. Those who demand brighter colors are just being big fat babies.

[DiM]

Seriously people, use your fucking brains.

tone it down and use yours for a change. if it were just one person telling you the map is lacking colour then i'd be inclined to trust the map maker but in this case EVERYBODY is telling you the same thing. so i really doubt EVERYBODY has bad monitors or that EVERYBODY is wrong about the colours.

i haven't seen a single person to take your side in this matter so according to the foundry rules you must do as you're told by the community.

also watch the language. a point can be made without using f*ck every couple of words. it doesn't make you smarter it doesn't make you cooler and it doesn't help your case. you should have realised this when you were 14.

Excuse me, did I miss the time you became a moderator? Or did I miss you becoming the fucking internet language police? How about you take that condescending, holier-than-thou attitude and shove it where the sun doesn't shine?

And no, "everybody" is not "telling me the same thing" - it's a small minority who has problems with the colours. I don't see a huge flood of input from the hundreds of people who have played this map coming over here complaining about the colours. Do you?

Secondly, taking the colours of this one map and assuming that I must be an idiot who can't use his monitor is absurd and idiotic. The low-saturation colour scheme of the map was a conscious and intentional artistic choice. It was not done because "my monitor settings are wrong" like some people are so fond of assuming. Sure, you can argue whether it was the right choice or not, but please don't assume I'm a fucking moron who can't use a computer or set his monitor settings. It's sort of insulting.

Third, no one had a problem with the colour scheme when the map was in development. No one brought up the issue back then, so I didn't see reason to change them. Only after the map has been in beta have some people (mostly the colour blind) been announcing that they have problems with the map. AND I HAVE BEEN ADDRESSING THE ISSUE AND FIXING THE COLOURS! I've already done two (2) separate updates addressing the colour issue. So I don't see what the big fucking deal is, why you have to badger me about this. I've already posted an update with increased colour saturation - what more do you want from me?

wow just wow. the amount of frustration. you have one sad little existence there mate.
do something about it cause you're not looking like a mature 29 years old that you claim to be but rather as a 15 year old frustrated teen that really need to learn some manners and get laid.

[isaiah40]

Okay you two, you need to stop this immediately. This bickering and arguing is not doing anyone any good. The only thing it is doing is making BOTH of you look bad so much so that others will not want to deal with either of you period. This also means people won't want to comment in your maps because they will think that you will just argue about everything. So please get this stopped now.

[thenobodies80]

1. I don't use cheap monitors or the like, if there's something where I "waste" tons of money are computer components.
2. I don't see the reason for all this mess, so guys, please chill down BOTH. I never said you're stupid or something like that, so don't put in my mouth words I've not used. I think you're a bit stressed natty...
3. Now, could you please respond to my question, that was really precise. Did you worked on the junks colors?
If the answer is yes, then I'll send the file to lackattck....if not, please do it.(red/teal)

Now please stay on topic.

[natty dread]

3. Now, could you please respond to my question, that was really precise. Did you worked on the junks colors?
If the answer is yes, then I'll send the file to lackattck....if not, please do it.(red/teal)

Well, how about you look at the images and figure out if the junk colours are good enough for you? I mean, I don't want to redo this a couple of weeks from now.

[thenobodies80]

These files were sent to lackattack:

Large Version: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4477/korea28.png
Small Version: http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/790/korea28s.png
XML: http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/download/file.php?id=290

In any case, even if they are good for me, it doesn't mean they are good for the community....you must wait for their feedback, not mine.

[thenobodies80]

The new files are online.

[natty dread]

And this is how they look as jpegs:

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vs. original:

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[natty dread]

Is everyone ok with the map now? Can it be quenched?

[nippersean]

I hope not Natty.

I respect the effort, time and skill all the mapmakers put in, and have never made a negative comment before....

This map is awful in many respects...gameplay, too many cut-offs + neutrals - I said this about austerlitz but like that foggy dubs now, so i'll be easy on that.

It's ugly - really ugly.
It is very unclear - the bonus regions, the key - you cannot play this without Bob, the ships....

It is very difficult to work out anything on this map, even with experience - I cannot work out what you get bonuses for, what is the bonus region, well I'm getting better at 1/2 hr per turn.

My teammate (a strong player) just mis-deployed 'cos he thought all ships connected - did you not think of colourblind people?

Just a fuckin mess.

This map needs A LOT of work in clarity, gameplay, presentation - right now it's a mess that shudda never gotten into beta.

Sorry if I upset anyone, I do appreciate the skill , hardwork - just looks like this one slipped through the net. For me (and my teammates) btw I win this turn - it's not sour grapes - just a very poor map from a foundry that is better than this.

Nipp

[natty dread]

Well, no one's forcing you to play it.

[thenobodies80]

My teammate (a strong player) just mis-deployed 'cos he thought all ships connected - did you not think of colourblind people?

Can I ask which junks (ships) are a problem to distinguish for your teammate?
I want to be sure to not have other colorblind issues on this one before going further with the process.
Said that, I must point out that it is written on the map that only junks with the same color are connected each other.

Well, no one's forcing you to play it.

Natty, you should know that this is not a great answer nor a solution of the current issues.

Nobodies