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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby natty dread on Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:25 pm

Yeah it doesn't quite work, why is the fold only visible on the sea?
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby ISN2 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:34 am

I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...

As for the fold I already discussed it, if it's not cool, let me know to remove it like what the map was before it, about changing the placement of names told by isaiah40, I will do that too as soon as I get a final to do list from blue guys ...
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby thenobodies80 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:14 pm

About the fold I think it looks better without it.
For the list of things you asked, I'll talk with the other guys to see what they think. (personally I'm happy as soon as you remove the fold).

I'll let you know their thoughts asap. ;)

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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby DiM on Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:02 pm

ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:51 pm

DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned

I like the map too much to see it binned. :(


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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby DiM on Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:57 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned

I like the map too much to see it binned. :(


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i like it too and after seeing the contest entries i agree it's a deserved winner but you can see for yourself how "often" the map is updated and how "eager" isn2 is to work with the foundry to improve the map.

cut him/her some slack and before you know it everybody will use ultimatums like:

"give me a final todo list cause i don't feel like working too much"
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:10 pm

ISN2 wrote:As for the fold I already discussed it, if it's not cool, let me know to remove it like what the map was before it, about changing the placement of names told by isaiah40, I will do that too as soon as I get a final to do list from blue guys ...


I can confirm to you that from our part the only concerns are about the fold. In addition what Isaiah40 has already suggested to you here. Everything else looks ready to go. ;)

In any case, since for you this one is the first map to reach the beta stage and you talked about a final to-do list, let me state clear that the beta stamp doesn't mean that the map is finished, in fact :

guidelines wrote:Once the gameplay, graphics and XML stamps have been awarded, and the Foundry Foreman deems the map ready; your map will enter the Beta phase. This stage is the final testing ground to ensure that there are no critical graphical or gameplay concerns, and to catch any mistakes or omissions in the XML. Beta maps are not completely finished: It is possible that gameplay, graphics or the XML may need to be altered and tweaked in order to add further clarity and perfection to the map. The cartographer(s) must be willing to engage in updating their map, and if any bugs or imbalances that are found they must be attended to in a timely manner by the cartographer(s) or other people designated to fix and alleviate any issues that arise.


Not saying it will happen to your map, I just want that you are well aware about the possibility.

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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [16 Dec 2011]

Postby ISN2 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:43 am

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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby ISN2 on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:48 am

thenobodies80 wrote:
ISN2 wrote:As for the fold I already discussed it, if it's not cool, let me know to remove it like what the map was before it, about changing the placement of names told by isaiah40, I will do that too as soon as I get a final to do list from blue guys ...


I can confirm to you that from our part the only concerns are about the fold. In addition what Isaiah40 has already suggested to you here. Everything else looks ready to go. ;)

In any case, since for you this one is the first map to reach the beta stage and you talked about a final to-do list, let me state clear that the beta stamp doesn't mean that the map is finished, in fact :

guidelines wrote:Once the gameplay, graphics and XML stamps have been awarded, and the Foundry Foreman deems the map ready; your map will enter the Beta phase. This stage is the final testing ground to ensure that there are no critical graphical or gameplay concerns, and to catch any mistakes or omissions in the XML. Beta maps are not completely finished: It is possible that gameplay, graphics or the XML may need to be altered and tweaked in order to add further clarity and perfection to the map. The cartographer(s) must be willing to engage in updating their map, and if any bugs or imbalances that are found they must be attended to in a timely manner by the cartographer(s) or other people designated to fix and alleviate any issues that arise.


Not saying it will happen to your map, I just want that you are well aware about the possibility.

Nobodies

Thanks for letting me know final changes, and yes I know it may be needed to change in Beta stage, no problems with that O:)

DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned

And however I thought, I could not see a way to not saying thanks to you for your warm support, so thanks for your warm support :!:
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby DiM on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:19 am

ISN2 wrote:
DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned

And however I thought, I could not see a way to not saying thanks to you for your warm support, so thanks for your warm support :!:


like it or not my post had the desired effect of motivating you to finally do an update.
it's not the first time i spread tough love around the foundry and in most cases it works.
so your thanks are accepted:P
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [15 Nov 2011]

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:33 am

DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:
DiM wrote:
ISN2 wrote:I want a final list of TODOs for this map, I'm tired of making changes and then someone thinks hey let's change the other thing too, this was a contest and was supposed to have the winning map a few changes if required, Not completely changing everything ...


that's not how map making works.

judging by the lack of interest shown by the map maker and his perception of the map making process depicted in the quote above i think it would be best to see this map binned

And however I thought, I could not see a way to not saying thanks to you for your warm support, so thanks for your warm support :!:


like it or not my post had the desired effect of motivating you to finally do an update.
it's not the first time i spread tough love around the foundry and in most cases it works.
so your thanks are accepted:P

Haha, you might be giving yourself a little too much credit there DiM. ;)

Best of Luck, ISN2,


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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [16 Dec 2011]

Postby thenobodies80 on Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:26 pm

Last Call

The map has passed through rigorous gameplay and graphics examinations and all major concerns have been addressed. If you have any other concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be stamped and submitted for the Beta period.

Please, post questions and concerns if any.

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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [16 Dec 2011]

Postby cairnswk on Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:34 pm

ISN2 and tnb80.
I'm almost happy with this one after overlooking it.
It's not a big one, but on the small map, i feel the placement of the army circle for Atesehir could be moved to the upper left of that region and the text name could then be straightened across the bottom and thus wouldn't clash so much with the large region name above it. It just looks a little untidy as it is now.
Up to you to change or not. :)
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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [16 Dec 2011]

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:21 am

ISN2 can you change that small thing before I send the files to lackattack? I have to say that cairnswk is right on this one.

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Re: World Cities Contest - Istanbul [16 Dec 2011]

Postby ISN2 on Sat Dec 24, 2011 12:58 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:ISN2 can you change that small thing before I send the files to lackattack? I have to say that cairnswk is right on this one.

Nobodies

OK, I will fix it when I get home and I get time ...
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