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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:38 pm

natty_dread wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I've got a couple of 1vs1 games going on it, and plays alright so far. Nothing glaringly unbalanced from my few games.


--Andy


Good to hear.

Whoops, that was a lie. I meant to post this in the Istanbul topic. But I now have some London 1vs1 going too. My apologies.


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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 30, 2012 4:40 pm

Oh... that?

Well, that didn't really work out thematically. It was too generic in style, and really had nothing connecting it to London, it didn't look like a city map. So the map took a different turn in development.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby BadgerJelly on Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:46 am

So it went from looking like a reasonable map to a pile of shit and got made?
Seriously WHO makes these decisions??? :shock:

You have made a great map now I see but I struggle to understand how THIS map can be made above others. Has what is required for a map changed since this one was brought out? In which case I can understand it.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:20 am

BadgerJelly wrote:So it went from looking like a reasonable map to a pile of shit and got made?
Seriously WHO makes these decisions??? :shock:


Well, lucky to me, it isn't you ;)

BadgerJelly wrote:You have made a great map now I see but I struggle to understand how THIS map can be made above others. Has what is required for a map changed since this one was brought out? In which case I can understand it.


Well, not everyone can like the same things, I guess. All I can say is if you don't appreciate the visual style of this map, you can aspire to do better.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby BadgerJelly on Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:03 pm

Fair point :D
Just because I don't like the look doesn't mean others do. Just much prefered your FIRST draft myself ... it is personal preference though.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:39 pm

I had to make a slight graphical change - to get the background closer to the colour I intended it to be... this is such a minor change though that I'd rather wait to see if there are any other changes needed before uploading these.


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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby MrBenn on Mon Feb 06, 2012 6:09 pm

BadgerJelly wrote:So it went from looking like a reasonable map to a pile of shit and got made?
Seriously WHO makes these decisions??? :shock:

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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby chapcrap on Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:28 am

Everything seems good to me.

I wouldn't mind if City was changed to an autodeploy. That's just a preference thing though.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 18, 2012 6:03 am

I don't really see any reason for changing the city bonus. I think it works fine as is.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:04 am

natty, I think this one is supposed to be a quick map, maybe good also for 1vs1 games. a thing I've noticed is that there're many games in which everything is done in 3 or 4 rounds. Usually if the first player to play had a good drop in the west side there's nothing you can do to stop him. You're done from the start, stop.
Have you considered a way to prevent this? I know drop percentages are ok and rarely a player start with north or west, but I have the feeling that the drop in 1vs1 games can be managed better....maybe set 2 positions , or have different starting values on some regions.....I still have to focus a way to fix this....but start a game and discover you lost it from the start is pretty disappointing.

On the contrary the city bonus seems good as it is to me.

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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 18, 2012 8:41 am

Personally, I haven't really noticed that 1v1 games were decided by the drop...

But I haven't played that many of them, so maybe you're right. Do you have any suggestions for fixing it? What do you see as the most problematic area?

If we go with the 2 starting positions route, we can code in max. 3 regions per position - any more would push the starting regions to 12, and that wouldn't be good.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby chapcrap on Sat Feb 18, 2012 10:55 am

natty dread wrote:I don't really see any reason for changing the city bonus. I think it works fine as is.

Yes. I don't disagree with that. It was just a personal preference.

I also haven't experienced what tnb80 is saying in the 1v1's either.
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:54 am

I haven't played many of them also, just i'm keeping track of other games. ;)
I think that the most problematic zones are the north and the west bonus, specially if they are protected by neutrals. To clarify it's not the drop itself. It's more a good drop+start first+ (partially) good dice.
For example in the game with you I was lucky to start 1st and have good dice, if not I was dead from the start because you had 4 regions on 5 of west bonus. Lucky dice allowed me to switch the situation, then I used the neutral (not assigned) to protect myself and eliminate you easily in few turns. And that wasn't a quick games. Check on the game finder games that are completed in 3 or 4 turns...to have an idea of what i'm saying.

Now, it's not a so big issue....we are talking about a bunch of games and not all them,but if I have to find a weak point i think this is the weak point of your map.

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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby natty dread on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:18 am

So do you have a suggestion to fix this?
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Re: Classic cities: London [16.12.11] p22

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:13 am

Let me think...i'll give you an answer asap

btw this is exactly what i was saying....I'm done from the start in this game and I didn't play a turn yet. :(

I have to stop to play maps to test them ](*,)

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