King's Court 2 [Quenched]

[Kabanellas]

Thanks Swimmer

[Kabanellas]

updating the 'to-do' list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
-Correct 'Chamberlain' spelling (Image files)
-Correct S17 archer, it should be A17 archer (Image files)
-Correct HB2 knight to NOT border Beoren castle (XML)

Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy ability on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Decrease killer-neutrals on the College of Cardinals from 6 to 5 (XML and Image files)

-Admiral is the only Counselor that can drop troops from the Court to a non-bombard region, which makes him especially powerful over the others - considering to add a negative effect (-1) for owning the admiral and a port, or maybe -1 for every 2 ports (XML and Image files)

[Genaraln7]

Sry if i ask but why do you have that negative affect on the king? I mean you could always make his bounus less instead of having a negative affect with him?

I havent tryed him out yet but as the map now is you could go for the king and all the bounus you get with him and then just start bombarding the enemy castels with archers and/or trebuchets and thereby dodging the negative affects of the king....

But i dont know your idea(s) behind this so ill start by advising you to lower the kings bounus with counselers, kights and villages from 2 to 1.

Genaraln7

[M.K.C88-90]

wwell the fact is you start with 2 castle's so your already at negative 10, which means you need 5 of the +2 to get back to even.

I personnaly dont think the negative effect needs to be raised, i like it the way it is, your bonous for holding him is just about right mid game, i will actually use the king here, where in KC1 i never go through the king first, unless its trench and nobody else is on a noble

[Swimmerdude99]

Thanks Swimmer

But just because you like me so much... make it a bit smaller map size

[chapcrap]

ok, going to compile a to-do list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
-Correct 'Chamberlain' spelling (Image files)

Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy ability on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Decrease killer-neutrals on the College of Cardinals from 6 to 5 ? (XML and Image files)
-Increase the negative effect from owning each Castle and the King from -5 to -6 or -7 ? (XML and Image files)

I really don't think that any of those game changes need to be made. I almost think that the College of Cardinals could be higher instead of lower.

[Culs De Sac]

ok, going to compile a to-do list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
-Correct 'Chamberlain' spelling (Image files)

Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy ability on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Decrease killer-neutrals on the College of Cardinals from 6 to 5 ? (XML and Image files)
-Increase the negative effect from owning each Castle and the King from -5 to -6 or -7 ? (XML and Image files)

I really don't think that any of those game changes need to be made. I almost think that the College of Cardinals could be higher instead of lower.

College of cardinals resets as is.. to increase it would almost guarantee the non use of it.. Especially knowing that you have to bomb Nobles and their stacks can vary

[aad0906]

S17 archer should be A17 archer. In the game chat it says I dropped 17 troops on A17 archer but there is no A17 archer. Instead the troops landed on S17 archer which is inbetween A16 and A18.

[chapcrap]

ok, going to compile a to-do list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
-Correct 'Chamberlain' spelling (Image files)

Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy ability on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Decrease killer-neutrals on the College of Cardinals from 6 to 5 ? (XML and Image files)
-Increase the negative effect from owning each Castle and the King from -5 to -6 or -7 ? (XML and Image files)

I really don't think that any of those game changes need to be made. I almost think that the College of Cardinals could be higher instead of lower.

College of cardinals resets as is.. to increase it would almost guarantee the non use of it.. Especially knowing that you have to bomb Nobles and their stacks can vary

Yes, but with 10 castles, there will almost always be empty castles (unless you play a 5 player game). So, it's very good for recon without getting caught. That's why I think it could be increased.

[Genaraln7]

Yes, but with 10 castles, there will almost always be empty castles (unless you play a 5 player game). So, it's very good for recon without getting caught. That's why I think it could be increased.

But now your only talking about fog of war games but alot op people dont even play that mode... without fog of war noone will use the collage of cardinals. I also think its good as it is.


I think i have found another bug or at least the road bounus wont seem to work...
With BOB all i see is this (its fog of war so i have to blank out the names with ***) :

1 Village (0)2 Villages (0)1 Knight (0)2 Knights (0)1 Castle (0)1 Castle + 2 Knights (1)*** Village (1)**** Village (1*** -**** (1)**** - **** (1)House ***** [2]***** Noble [1]*** Knight [1]*** Knight [1]*** Port [1]

Kabanellas if you want i can always send a PM with more details seeing your not part of the game...

[chapcrap]

Some may play without fog of war, but I think largely on conquest maps, people play with fog of war. And it should be larger so that people can't lose their nobles quite so easily. I mean, it's fine with me if it stays where it's at, I'll be sure to take advantage in every game I play.

[Kabanellas]

ok, going to compile a to-do list:

-Darken the hex borders a bit (Image files)
-Correct 'Chamberlain' spelling (Image files)

Considering:
-Remove the auto-deploy ability on Ports ? (XML and Image files)
-Decrease killer-neutrals on the College of Cardinals from 6 to 5 ? (XML and Image files)
-Increase the negative effect from owning each Castle and the King from -5 to -6 or -7 ? (XML and Image files)

I really don't think that any of those game changes need to be made. I almost think that the College of Cardinals could be higher instead of lower.

Ok, I'm leaving the negative effect on the king as it is.
But what about the Ports? They already are part of a bonus when you connect them to the nearest village so maybe they should lose the auto-deploy feature. As for the College of Cardinals, I really think that those neutral killers should be reduced. Just for comparison: on KC1 the King has 7 neutral killers but is incomparably more useful/important than the College of Cardinal on KC2

[Kabanellas]

S17 archer should be A17 archer. In the game chat it says I dropped 17 troops on A17 archer but there is no A17 archer. Instead the troops landed on S17 archer which is inbetween A16 and A18.

I'll correct it on the next update

[chapcrap]

As for the College of Cardinals, I really think that those neutral killers should be reduced. Just for comparison: on KC1 the King has 7 neutral killers but is incomparably more useful/important than the College of Cardinal on KC2

I disagree. in KC1, someone can follow you through the King or at least know that you've taken it. In KC2, you can take the College of Cardinals in secret if it's FOW and even if someone knows you took it, they can't just follow you through. And, with the number of castles being 10 instead of 8, reconnaissance is even more important.

[Seamus76]

First let me say well done Kab! More often than not the sequels to things are a big disappointment, but here you have truly taken Kings Court 1 to a new level, and evolved it to be a more challenging and thoughtful game play map. Great work. This has been one of my new favorites and have played 13 games so far, here's a couple thoughts:

- While I don't like the negative effect of the king, it does certainly add a higher level of strategy so as not to screw yourself, and at the same time give your opponent a way to trap you (much like on antarctica), which has happened to me. So long story short on this one, even though I don't like it, I would say keep it how it is for now.
- Personally I don't think the ports should be an auto deploy. Like you mentioned they are currently part of the road bonus, and since they are a major through-way to the rest of the map there is more of a challenge to move off of them, or to leave a certain number behind that you think your opponent will have trouble with. Thus keeping the stack from growing automatically will force a player to keep them more front of mind.
- I wasn't able to go back through the entire thread, so I'm not sure if it was discussed, but I don't like how there is no Knight in the House of Finwe. There's not even one close by, but there are 4 Archers in a 3-4 hex radius. I would like to see one of those, maybe A11 Archer be a Knight. I'm more of a Knight than an Archer player so the two Knights in the House of Doriath I like. Some could argue one should be an Archer, etc. I guess it's personal play strategy, but I'm not a fan of Finwe because of that reason.
- Two Catapults in the House of Hareth seems a bit much. I might take one, but two probably never. Especially since they both basically bombard the same terits.
- It might be just my eyes, but it does seem the hexs on the right side are a little darker than the left. For example HB5 and HB6 are a little light.

That's all I have for now, but again great work.

[Kabanellas]

Thanks a lot Seamus!!

It's part of the concept on KC2 to have some differences between Houses/Castles unlike what happens on KC1 where all Castles are pretty much the same. This spices up game play because you have to adjust the game play accordingly to where you start. You can also take some hints from that diversity, as to where players are starting, when you play in fog.

[Kabanellas]

There is something bothering me concerning the Admiral. I'm having the feeling that people will choose 90% of time the Admiral over the other counselors, having that useful feature of taking any port from there... Basically the Admiral is far more useful than any of the other Counselors.

I'm proposing a negative effect to balance things and make it a bit less appealing and less powerful. Maybe a -2 per Port?

[chapcrap]

There is something bothering me concerning the Admiral. I'm having the feeling that people will choose 90% of time the Admiral over the other counselors, having that useful feature of taking any port from there... Basically the Admiral is far more useful than any of the other Counselors.

I'm proposing a negative effect to balance things and make it a bit less appealing and less powerful. Maybe a -2 per Port?

How about instead it bombards the ports instead of attacking them?

[Kabanellas]

I thought of that initially - but that would probably make it a bit redundant on the great scheme of things... The bombard ability of the Duke and his bonus capability make him much more appealing over the Admiral.

Maybe a -1 (or-2) per port for the Admiral? Taking ports with him might be useful, but comes with a cost...

[Seamus76]

There is something bothering me concerning the Admiral. I'm having the feeling that people will choose 90% of time the Admiral over the other counselors, having that useful feature of taking any port from there... Basically the Admiral is far more useful than any of the other Counselors.

I'm proposing a negative effect to balance things and make it a bit less appealing and less powerful. Maybe a -2 per Port?

How about instead it bombards the ports instead of attacking them?

This was my thought too. Just make it bombard instead of attack. I see what you're going for by having that difference, but to me the redundancness (not sure that's a word, but it is now) would be a good thing for the Admiral. I'm not sure if you've seen a lot of Admirals being taken in other games, but in the ones I have played it's been more often Lord Chamberlain. Not sure why, maybe it's because you get +2 (most of the time if you still have your 2 nobles) and another +1 auto deploy, so basically +3. To me that's better than the Admiral, maybe not as "useful", but +3 is pretty useful as well.

[chapcrap]

Honestly, to me, I wouldn't mess with the gameplay at all except to perhaps make the College of Cardinals have a little higher number. That's debatable. I really like the way everything else plays out.

[nudge]

Knights and archers do not appear to be balance around all castles.

House of Finwe has 2 associated archers and no knight.

House of Doriath has 2 associated knights and no archer

all the other castles have one of each

[chapcrap]

Knights and archers do not appear to be balance around all castles.

House of Finwe has 2 associated archers and no knight.

House of Doriath has 2 associated knights and no archer

all the other castles have one of each

This is true. Also, there appears to be 5 counselors and 10 castles.

[Seamus76]

Knights and archers do not appear to be balance around all castles.

House of Finwe has 2 associated archers and no knight.

House of Doriath has 2 associated knights and no archer

all the other castles have one of each

This is true. Also, there appears to be 5 counselors and 10 castles.

I pointed this out as well on the last page, and Kabs wrote this back in response, which makes sense. Personally I don't like the two catapults in Hareth, or that there is no Knight in Finwe, but I do understand how the diversity can be an extra wrinkle for the game play.

Postby Kabanellas on Thu May 03, 2012 3:50 pm
Thanks a lot Seamus!!

It's part of the concept on KC2 to have some differences between Houses/Castles unlike what happens on KC1 where all Castles are pretty much the same. This spices up game play because you have to adjust the game play accordingly to where you start. You can also take some hints from that diversity, as to where players are starting, when you play in fog.

[chapcrap]

Knights and archers do not appear to be balance around all castles.

House of Finwe has 2 associated archers and no knight.

House of Doriath has 2 associated knights and no archer

all the other castles have one of each

This is true. Also, there appears to be 5 counselors and 10 castles.

I pointed this out as well on the last page, and Kabs wrote this back in response, which makes sense. Personally I don't like the two catapults in Hareth, or that there is no Knight in Finwe, but I do understand how the diversity can be an extra wrinkle for the game play.

Postby Kabanellas on Thu May 03, 2012 3:50 pm
Thanks a lot Seamus!!

It's part of the concept on KC2 to have some differences between Houses/Castles unlike what happens on KC1 where all Castles are pretty much the same. This spices up game play because you have to adjust the game play accordingly to where you start. You can also take some hints from that diversity, as to where players are starting, when you play in fog.

Yes, I know. I was being sarcastic by pointing out other obvious features of the map...