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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 3

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon May 19, 2014 3:37 am

CMetternich wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:That's not true at all.


It is. You are invited to play with me. I get the southern regions and inevitably I will beat you 9 out of 10 times. (With 1 margin of error as I might miss a round ;) )

There is just no real balance when all the southern regions (except Corsica) are so valuable, this is -in my opinion- the major weakness of this map.

Dukasaur made an interesting suggestion as well, reduce the troops in Paris, make it a normal region and you have a perfect map.


I have a good win rate on this map and I nearly always win from the north, and the few times I've lost are usually from the north too. Regardless, the amount of games both of us has played is not a big enough sample size to base anything on.

Also, every map has a better way of being played and better positions to control.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 3

Postby Lancelot du Lac on Mon May 19, 2014 5:26 am

Here are the result from Poll 3:
Number of neutral troops on Paris' will be reduced:
to 5 : 10%
to 7: 40%
stay at 10: 50 %

Number of votes : 20
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Mishalex on Mon May 19, 2014 5:34 am

Hi guys, here are the last poll ! Please, give us your opinion, for me, it's the most important update we could ad to the map... It could totally change the gameplay ! In that case, Nord could attack Wallonie for example and then bombard Paris.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Donelladan on Mon May 19, 2014 6:14 am

This changes would allow breaking objective condition from south of the map thanks to Monaco and Pays Basque. Very good in case of trench game with a big drop in the south,
This changes would also make the foreign claim being useful - I think so far someone take foreign claim only when he want to win with objective, otherwise foreign claim are ignored most of the time because you need to go through Paris to take them. And why would you take paris except for objective.

Withouth the change I assum foreign claim are never used in 95% of the games or so.


But, so far I played the game without using Paris and Foreign claims. Have you considered getting rid of foreign claim totally? Why were they added in the 1st place ?

I voted yes but .. if you keep foreing claim, then you should make the change because otherwise foreing claim are useless. But I am not sure that we need to keep them.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Mishalex on Mon May 19, 2014 7:44 am

OK, thanks Done. IMO, this change can be efficient and can give a real plus to this gameplay ! Especially in trench mode ! And maybe, it would be easier, early in the game to take easy +1 autodeploy bonus !
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby damojav1 on Tue May 20, 2014 11:01 am

Also, should Paris and surrounding territories be so difficult to capture? I've played the map on a few occasions and almost never see anyone winning by route of Paris. Perhaps the neutrals could be 4 and 8 or less to make capturing Paris that much more important.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby John DM on Tue May 20, 2014 1:13 pm

Also, drop neutrals on suburbs to 3 and on Paris to 5
or don't make the suburbs neutrals
as is, 25 neutrals for the objective rarely worth it... easier just to kill everybody
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby jmc12 on Wed May 21, 2014 1:45 am

I thought I would provide my opinion on this map, so here it is:
When I played on this map, players in the North of the map did not get large amounts of troops, so when players came in from the South they just walked right over them. While I do not think that the bonuses In the south are too low, i feel that the bonuses in the north such as BAS, NOR and HAU need some bolstering in terms of the bonuses they give.

I hope that my opinion has been helpful
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Jeanne d Arc on Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:16 pm

Paris and subs are never part of the game, neutrals too High
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby TheCrow5 on Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:41 am

Hi,
I'm playing France 2.1 for the first time.

Its a great map, but foreign claims are a bit confusing:

1) using Nord & Wallonie as an example:
- Is Nord & Wallonie connected in any way?
- Can i attack from Nord to Wallonie & vice versa?
- Paris can attack Wallonie - is this as normal to take the territory?
- Does that mean someone from Paris can get to Nord?

2) How many neutral troops does Paris start with, assuming it does start with neutral troops?

3) How many neutral troops do the Foreign Claims start with, assuming it does start with neutral troops?
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby philecon on Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:25 pm

Hello I met all the victory conditions in the map but they didn't work.

The game was number 14437809 and I had Paris and the suburbs + One regional claim (Belfort) + One foreign claim (Wallonie and Jura Suisse) from round 21 to round 22. I should have won but it continued. Even my opponents said that I won and were blamin each other for it but then it didn't happened. Bummer man, real bummer....

I hope you guys can tell me what happened and fix it.

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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Mishalex on Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:46 am

You didn't had a foreign claim... They are still at 3 neutrals...
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby philecon on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:38 pm

Hi, you should change the direction of the arrows for the regional claims. It would make it more intuitive I think. If the arrow points to the region you already hold it makes you think you have the regional claim but if it points to the circle with the neutral troops then its clear that you need to attack there to claim the region.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Gilligan on Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:59 pm

philecon wrote:Hi, you should change the direction of the arrows for the regional claims. It would make it more intuitive I think. If the arrow points to the region you already hold it makes you think you have the regional claim but if it points to the circle with the neutral troops then its clear that you need to attack there to claim the region.


then it makes it look like the claims can be attacked from somewhere but Paris. The neutral army on the claim is enough to distinguish it.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby iancanton on Tue Jun 10, 2014 3:52 pm

suburb 2 is, in real life, département 92, which is logical. however, suburb 3 is département 94 and suburb 4 is département 93, so it's possible to say that the france 2.1 names for these two départements are the wrong way round. can i suggest that u rename suburbs 2, 3 and 4 as suburbs 92, 94 and 93 respectively? below is a map that shows the département numbers.

http://www.bovile.com/fiche/recap/regions/et-ilefr.htm

at the moment, if holding a région, iancanton received 2 troops for holding PIC or iancanton received 5 troops for holding PRO does not sound very french. it will add to the gallic atmosphere of the game and increase the enjoyment of those who are not french if u amend the xml (using a simple find-and-replace) to show PIC Picardie instead of PIC, PRO Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur instead of PRO and so on. recognising that many people are unfamiliar with american state abbreviations, the usa 2.1 map does something similar.

ian. :)
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Mishalex on Wed Jun 11, 2014 5:12 am

thanks iancanton for the proposal, we're gonna discuss it with Lancelot... I think we'll also reduce Paris Neutral to 7 and let the foreign claim be attack by the close territ such as this : Nord can attack Wallonie...

I don't remember who can make the change on the XML... Lancelot maybe ? or Gilligan ?
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Gilligan on Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:59 am

Mishalex wrote:thanks iancanton for the proposal, we're gonna discuss it with Lancelot... I think we'll also reduce Paris Neutral to 7 and let the foreign claim be attack by the close territ such as this : Nord can attack Wallonie...

I don't remember who can make the change on the XML... Lancelot maybe ? or Gilligan ?


I can do it, but will first need an updated graphic. ;)
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby t4mcr53s2 on Sat Jun 28, 2014 4:29 pm

? bug report?

https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=14592659

first time i'm playing so I may misunderstand the legend.

opponent and I have several of the 5 circled colorful foreign claims emblems , got no auto deploys. If the meaning if only get 1 auto deploy if you control all the terts in that claim then I suggest state in legend as many other maps have cityies or castles that get autodeplys without requiring regional control ; eg Baltic crusade cant bombard paris from the circle tert in claims as I can only see "paris?" again does it only become active if we have whole claim?
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Donelladan on Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:14 pm

You misunderstood foreign claim and regional claim.
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby GrudgeBringer_ on Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:34 pm

Well, we are playing in 2 teams of 4....None of us have ANY idea how to take the small circles ( I forget if they are the foriegn or Regional claims). Guys in the North that had a good drop after figuring out they just had to take Paris will win this game...I am 2 turns from Paris driving all the way thru both teams from the bottom and have 2 armies of over 30 pushing hard...for what.

General concensus.....we are going to have a rematch....the Paris option is left out. eithe rhave better directions at the start in big enough words for us to read WITH INSTRUCTIONS or kill it. It is a a BEATIFUL MAP and while Eurasia is my favorite map, this one could easily replace it and it it good for 12 players (while Eurasia id best for 8 in my opion).

I know you won't change it...but maybe a seperate map without Paris. =D>
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Donelladan on Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:53 am

The legend say, concerning the small circle :
"Foreign Claim
Can be attacked by Paris".

It is pretty clear for me.

Concerning Paris, most of people complained it was too difficult to hold it, so you are surprising us saying the contrary.
Please note that people that have paris also need all the suburb to win, it's really not an easy victory condition so far.
Of course if you play trench and let them the opportunity to secure the zone it's your mistake, but objective and trench are alway that way ;).
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby t4mcr53s2 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:08 pm

"You misunderstood foreign claim and regional claim."

Yes , i thought that what i now realize is a one way attack arrow was an arrow indicating that that tert which can be attacked WAS the foreign claim
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Fuchsia tude on Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:07 am

So Charante-Maritime does not border Dordogne? Fair enough, but that border is completely illegible. Could the territory borders get darkened somewhat, or at least approaching the edges of the Departments?
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Scarlet Lady on Wed Jul 09, 2014 7:23 am

Game 14224470

I currently hold Paris and the Suburbs plus all foreign claims and 2 regional claims (Seine-Maritime and Euro), which I have held for one full round. Shouldn't I have won?
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Re: Version 11.5.1 FRANCE 2.1 - Poll 4

Postby Donelladan on Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:50 am

Seine Maritime and Eure et Loire aren't the regional claim. You also need Manche, Calvados and Orne to have this regional claim.

To hold a regional claim you need to have all regions with the same flag on them.
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