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Postby MR. Nate on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:08 am

Gorgeous! I love it!
I like the busyness of the map, it's fun.

Suggestions:
Maybe to clarify the ports, you could have the shores of the lake be an impassable border, with the actual ports being open, that way, it eliminates the confusion on which port can attack where.

Perhaps rename Peoria as East St. Louis. I know it's a rough town, but St. Louis sort of dominates that region, even though it's in Missouri, so you have to take that into account.

As to giving Toledo a port, and not Detroit, that's insane. Detroit is superior to Toledo in every way. If one of them loses a port, it HAS to be Toledo. Give Toledo's port to Cleveland, if needs be.

For the text, you could perhaps have it "standing up" perpendicular to the map itself, to highlight the text without the fading.

The bonuses seem low for Indiana and Illinois, if not for the rest of the map.
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Postby Samus on Fri Mar 30, 2007 2:32 pm

MR. Nate wrote:As to giving Toledo a port, and not Detroit, that's insane. Detroit is superior to Toledo in every way. If one of them loses a port, it HAS to be Toledo. Give Toledo's port to Cleveland, if needs be.


Well, I only look at it from a map perspective. Clearly you cannot make them both ports, I only picked Toledo because Detroit's shoreline is smaller. I didn't really analyze it from the perspective of their real life importance. If the port will fit in Detroit, then by all means eliminate Toledo's port instead, or move it to Cleveland.

For the text, you could perhaps have it "standing up" perpendicular to the map itself, to highlight the text without the fading.


I'm assuming this is intended just for the bonus text, I like this idea as well.
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Postby Dmunster on Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:25 pm

I like it alot. I agree that the bonuses for illinois indiana and ohio are low by 1, IMO.
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Postby coolpsp on Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:28 pm

it's allmost perfect maybe if you made the colours easier to see.other than that it's perfect
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Postby Serbia on Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:28 pm

Samus wrote:
MR. Nate wrote:As to giving Toledo a port, and not Detroit, that's insane. Detroit is superior to Toledo in every way. If one of them loses a port, it HAS to be Toledo. Give Toledo's port to Cleveland, if needs be.


Well, I only look at it from a map perspective. Clearly you cannot make them both ports, I only picked Toledo because Detroit's shoreline is smaller. I didn't really analyze it from the perspective of their real life importance. If the port will fit in Detroit, then by all means eliminate Toledo's port instead, or move it to Cleveland.


Don't mess with Detroit! :twisted:
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Postby Samus on Fri Mar 30, 2007 3:38 pm

Serbia wrote:
Samus wrote:
MR. Nate wrote:As to giving Toledo a port, and not Detroit, that's insane. Detroit is superior to Toledo in every way. If one of them loses a port, it HAS to be Toledo. Give Toledo's port to Cleveland, if needs be.


Well, I only look at it from a map perspective. Clearly you cannot make them both ports, I only picked Toledo because Detroit's shoreline is smaller. I didn't really analyze it from the perspective of their real life importance. If the port will fit in Detroit, then by all means eliminate Toledo's port instead, or move it to Cleveland.


Don't mess with Detroit! :twisted:


I would never mess with Detroit! Only a fool would mess with a city whose crime rate was that high. :)
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Postby WidowMakers on Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:27 pm

UPDATE NUMBER 2

Here is quick update with several of the changes.
48 territories and the names have been changed. Plus the territories borders have been adjusted along with the width

I know there is more but here is what I have so far.

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Postby johloh on Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:10 pm

looks great...

I dont like how the legend text and descriptive text has the map angle perspective on it. it makes it hard to read.

is there a reason you dont give the map like a 5degree counter clock wise turn? I feel like i need turn my head sideways a bit to look at it.
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Postby Bad Speler on Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:46 pm

One point id like to bring up. Does Detroit border Lake Huron? I can see it borders the lake between Huron and Erie (St. Clair lake i think???), this could easily be mistaken either way.
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Postby Gilligan on Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:47 pm

Instant hit!
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Postby Evil Pope on Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:58 pm

[edit]Ooop... Upon further review of the map, I was mistaken :oops:

Visually, the map is great. Some of the continents are a little hard to distinguish(i.e. Minnesota and Wisconsin.)
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Postby happy2seeyou on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:06 pm

=D> I like it soo much better (the michigan part) now that Lansing is not a name of a territory. Grand Rapids is WAY better. But I was kinda shocked that Kalamazoo is on there. Anyhow, the map looks great. You always do well with your maps. congrats.
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Postby Serbia on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:21 pm

Suggestion on the colors... Change Michigan to a dark blue, and make Wisconsin yellow. Just my opinion though... might help with the MN - WI problem mentioned earlier.
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Postby Serbia on Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:21 pm

Also, port cities can attack lakes, but can they attack each other?
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Postby everywhere116 on Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:28 pm

I think petoskey should be renamed Mackinac
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Postby Gilligan on Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:31 pm

Why is Ontario worth more than the Great Lakes?
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Postby happy2seeyou on Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:47 pm

everywhere116 wrote:I think petoskey should be renamed Mackinac

And you should put in the Mackinac bridge. That would be neat. And how about in New York, you could put up the statue of liberty. Just a thought.
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Postby Samus on Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:51 pm

Gilligan wrote:Why is Ontario worth more than the Great Lakes?


The Great Lakes are 5 territories with 5 borders. Ontario is 9 territories with 5 borders. Same borders, it's just more territories.
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Postby Big Jon on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:31 pm

Samus wrote:
Gilligan wrote:Why is Ontario worth more than the Great Lakes?


The Great Lakes are 5 territories with 5 borders. Ontario is 9 territories with 5 borders. Same borders, it's just more territories.


But each state has some territories that do not have borders and the Great Lakes have a border on each of its territories. I would think that this would be much harder to hold then any of the others. The whole map is about the Great Lakes, it should be the center of the game.
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Postby unriggable on Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:49 pm

WidowMakers wrote:Image


I would:
Get rid of the 'gobe grid'
Make all the army shadows the same, right now some are red and some are white.
Have the mountains go off the map, I'm thinking around pittsburg and harrisburg the mountains should continue south.
Michigan should be reduced to 4.
Illinois should be 2
Great lakes should be 4, 5 at the most
Some words have wobly letters.
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Postby Gilligan on Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:47 am

I meant why is Great Lakes worth more than Ontario? In Ontario there are 8 countries, you have to defend 7. In Great Lakes, there are 5 countries to defend 5.
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Postby keiths31 on Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:10 am

The new map looks great too. Although I am being picky, the area above Thunder Bay should not be named "Frances" (I think you meant Fort Frances anyway), but Fort Frances is on the American border with Minnesota at International Falls. If you want to be accurate, go with Dryden, Kenora or Greenstone.
Looks great though.
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Postby dominationnation on Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:39 am

I dont like how there are so many continents with only a bonus of one. Mabey you could combine it with some of the others and make it a bonus of 3
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Postby Unit_2 on Sat Mar 31, 2007 1:09 pm

thats better..
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Postby MR. Nate on Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:49 am

This may sound stupid, but is anyone (read, Newbs) going to make confusion if the lakes border one another, because of the bridges? Is there a way to clarify that?
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