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[Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby samuelc812 on Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:45 am

Map Name: 2011 Women's World Cup Map
Mapmaker(s): samuelc812
Number of Territories: 55
Special Features: - Limited Edition Map - 2011 World Cup
- No region bonus
- Autodeploy
- Winning Conditions

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XML: http://www.conquerclub.com/maps/2011_World_Cup.xml

Map Rules
- Teams in the same qualifier can assault each other
- Group stage can be assaulted only by the Team that are both in qualifier and group
- Group stage teams can assualt group winners or runner ups in querter finals
- Group stage teams can assault each other
- Group stage teams can assualt back qualifier in their group
- Quarter final teams can assault each other
- Germany has a +1 autodeploy
- Each player receives +3, no regions bonus
- Hold finals to win the game

Bonuses
Qualifier group= +1
Winner + all teams in the same group = +3
Winner + 3 teams in the same group = +2
Runner up + all teams in the same group= +2
Runner up + 3 teams in teh same group = +1
Reach semifinals = +2
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby thenobodies80 on Sat Jan 21, 2012 7:13 pm

Although this map is defined as "limited edition map" because it was developed behind the scenes for the associated event, this topic has been created to provide to you a place where you can make suggestions, comments or report problems with the map. Please use the following topic only for these purposes.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby Gilligan on Mon Nov 25, 2013 9:03 pm

The one extra army on Germany needs to be removed now that this map is open full-time. It needs to be balanced.
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby chapcrap on Tue Nov 26, 2013 6:03 pm

Gilligan wrote:The one extra army on Germany needs to be removed now that this map is open full-time. It needs to be balanced.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Mon May 11, 2015 2:04 pm

This needs to be redone for 2015, now that groups are determined.
It could also probably use an XML rewrite to better mirror the actual process of clarification.
I will work on the XML part and could probably have something tomorrow.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby MrBenn on Tue May 12, 2015 2:22 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:This needs to be redone for 2015, now that groups are determined.
It could also probably use an XML rewrite to better mirror the actual process of clarification.
I will work on the XML part and could probably have something tomorrow.

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The format for this year's World Cup has 6 groups of 4, who progress to a round of 16, so would need a gameplay change and not just a visual update.
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby MrBenn on Tue May 12, 2015 2:28 pm

MrBenn wrote:
sempaispellcheck wrote:This needs to be redone for 2015, now that groups are determined.
It could also probably use an XML rewrite to better mirror the actual process of clarification.
I will work on the XML part and could probably have something tomorrow.

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The format for this year's World Cup has 6 groups of 4, who progress to a round of 16, so would need a gameplay change and not just a visual update.

While there are only 11 active games on the map, 5 of them are tournament games. The gameplay could be changed without adjusting the territories too much, but the groups would need to be split up into individual matches. I don't know what the current administration think about changing stuff like that with active games in progress?
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue May 12, 2015 2:30 pm

I have almost completed an XML rewrite with the necessary gameplay changes, and have asked ian and redbaron if either of them could do the graphics (or find someone to do them).
Since the tournament format is so different, I'm actually thinking we should leave the existing map as is (with the year in the title), and release the revamp as a new map.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue May 12, 2015 2:35 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:I have almost completed an XML rewrite with the necessary gameplay changes

Here are the changes I have made/will make in my XML rewrite:
Each of the 6 qualifiers now have 6 teams, instead of 4, and give 2 troops for holding all teams instead of 1.
The Group Stage section now contains 6 groups of 4 teams, instead of 4 groups of 4.
The actual bracket FIFA is using will be made, with a 1 troop bonus for holding a quarterfinalist in addition to the 2 troop semifinalist bonus that was already in play.
Group Winner and Runner-up bonuses have not been changed.
I don't plan on adding bonuses for 3rd-place spots, even if all teams in a group are held - since each group can reach 3rd-place spots on either side of the bracket, the mobility the 3rd-place spots provide incentivizes using those spots more than a bonus would.
That said, I would be willing to add a 1 troop 3rd-place bonus if people feel they are sufficiently difficult to hold - as each is accessible from 3 different groups.

I will post the XML in this thread when it is finished.
If nobody has any objections to the gameplay changes, the only thing that will need to be changed in the XML after I post it will be the coordinates.

Also, in my PM to ian and redbaron, I included the teams that should be in each qualifier and each group, in the order they should appear.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby MrBenn on Tue May 12, 2015 2:37 pm

I'm pretty certain I've got photoshop files lying around somewhere - I've definitely got them for the 2010/2014 men's tournament which formed the basis for this one.
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Tue May 12, 2015 2:42 pm

MrBenn wrote:I'm pretty certain I've got photoshop files lying around somewhere - I've definitely got them for the 2010/2014 men's tournament which formed the basis for this one.
Would you be willing to do the graphics for this one?
I can forward you the PM I sent ian and redbaron, and send you my XML when it's done.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby JPlo64 on Tue May 12, 2015 3:22 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:I have almost completed an XML rewrite with the necessary gameplay changes, and have asked ian and redbaron if either of them could do the graphics (or find someone to do them).
Since the tournament format is so different, I'm actually thinking we should leave the existing map as is (with the year in the title), and release the revamp as a new map.

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Yes make it a new map please!
I am very fond of this map ad it is, so if yall change the gameplay on it I'll be quite angry :x
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby Gilligan on Thu May 14, 2015 10:35 am

at the very least, the extra troop on Germany needs to be removed. i've said this since the map became un-limited :(
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Thu May 14, 2015 11:10 am

Gilligan wrote:at the very least, the extra troop on Germany needs to be removed. i've said this since the map became un-limited :(

So, we'll remove it - and move it to Canada. :D
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby MrBenn on Fri May 15, 2015 5:25 pm

I've been in discussion with sempaispellcheck and come up with this as a draft, but we're still debating the configuration for the qualifier groups.

I'm undecided between having 42 starting slots in the qualifiers (7 groups of 6), reducing it to 36 (7 groups of 5 plus Canada), or increasing it to 66 (7 groups of 6 and 6 groups of 4) or just increasing it to 60 (7 groups of 6, and 6 groups of 3 leaving out the bottom team in each group stage group)

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Fri May 15, 2015 6:58 pm

MrBenn wrote:I've been in discussion with sempaispellcheck and come up with this as a draft, but we're still debating the configuration for the qualifier groups.

I'm undecided between having 42 starting slots in the qualifiers (7 groups of 6), reducing it to 36 (7 groups of 5 plus Canada), or increasing it to 66 (7 groups of 6 and 6 groups of 4) or just increasing it to 60 (7 groups of 6, and 6 groups of 3 leaving out the bottom team in each group stage group

My initial idea was to have 6 groups of 6, separated by continent. Problem is, there are 8 European teams that qualified for the World Cup. So, I put the other 2 European teams in the Oceania qualifier.
I then had the idea to put 8 teams in each qualifier, but MrBenn said the groups wouldn't fit. I would think he could make the map taller to fit them, but I'm not a graphics guy, so I wouldn't be surprised if that wasn't actually possible.
MrBenn proposed including 12 European teams in 2 groups of 6, but that would create 7 groups of 6, making it impossible to balance the drop for a 12-player game. To me, a balanced drop is one where territories are divided evenly among 12 players with no neutrals. This wouldn't be possible with 42 territories because 42 is not evenly divisible by 12.
To me, the idea of leaving out 6 group-stage teams would also result in an unbalanced drop - 6 players would start with 3 qualifying teams and 2 group-stage teams, while the other 6 would start with 4 qualifying teams and 1 group-stage team.

Does anyone else have any other suggestions?

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby JPlo64 on Sun May 17, 2015 7:37 am

@MrBenn
You have at least 1 typo on your draft. The Spain qualifier is miss-labeled.

I'll again add that this should be a new map independent of 2011 WC. This map will have a much different game play. It makes no sense to kill off a perfectly fine map for no reason, just let 2011 live on.
Seeing that 2011 has been restricted along with the other WC map kind of makes one think yall are going to kill it...
If you do, let's go ahead and update maps like Europe 1914, France 1789, South AFrica 1885 etc. Its 2015 fellas!
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Mon May 18, 2015 10:23 am

JPlo64 wrote:I'll again add that this should be a new map independent of 2011 WC. This map will have a much different game play. It makes no sense to kill off a perfectly fine map for no reason, just let 2011 live on.
Seeing that 2011 has been restricted along with the other WC map kind of makes one think yall are going to kill it...
Whether we change the gameplay (and we're considering it) or not, I have no knowledge of any plans to kill either of the existing WC maps - and I am surprised to see them closed, as I had thought it was decided that they would be kept open permanently.
JPlo64 wrote:If you do, let's go ahead and update maps like Europe 1914, France 1789, South AFrica 1885 etc. Its 2015 fellas!
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Those maps were created to represent particular historical moments - we have other maps of those areas which are more current.
These maps were created to represent recurring competitions and are updated periodically to reflect changes in participation.

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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby iAmCaffeine on Mon May 18, 2015 10:44 am

Yeah, closing the existing maps was a bit of a pain but nothing major. The new map looks great, I'm not getting involved with gameplay, but don't replace 2011.
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby JPlo64 on Mon May 18, 2015 8:16 pm

sempaispellcheck wrote:
JPlo64 wrote:If you do, let's go ahead and update maps like Europe 1914, France 1789, South AFrica 1885 etc. Its 2015 fellas!
You're comparing apples and oranges.
Those maps were created to represent particular historical moments - we have other maps of those areas which are more current.
These maps were created to represent recurring competitions and are updated periodically to reflect changes in participation.

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I was being sarcastic ;)
My point is that it's stupid to kill a unique map b/c it's out of date. I maybe worrying about nothing, but why on earth would 2011 be restricted when it's never going to be 2011 again unless the plan is to change it?
I guess you could just change the graphics without changing the board but then it wouldn't accurately represent the competition at all.
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Re: [Limited Edition] 2011 Women's World Cup Map

Postby sempaispellcheck on Fri May 22, 2015 10:58 am

JPlo64 wrote:why on earth would 2011 be restricted when it's never going to be 2011 again unless the plan is to change it?

2014 is restricted as well, so I don't think that's the reason behind the restriction.

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