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Postby edbeard on Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:38 pm

I've been busy for quite a while, but I had quite a bit of time today, so I did some annoying tasks to hopefully make people like the map a bit more.

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Ch-Ch-Ch-Changes

1. No more Art.

I felt that (especially with the influx of new blood in the foundry) that the colour issue might become a problem. So, even if you do not like the colours, you cannot complain that you can't tell what the bonuses are because I have included a mini-map ala Widowmakers on Great Lakes and Gimil on Portugal (probably others too).

Also, this helps because I don't have to pick a piece of art to add on the map, which I honestly don't think is needed especially since this is just a very basic, 'pure' map. If someone makes a revolutionary South America map, then some art could be very fitting.

The difficulties arising from adding art are finding something that looks good, something that is free for use, and something that blends well with everything else. Too difficult for me, especially when I wasn't big on the idea anyway.

2. Borders

I was fine with the old ones. Some people weren't here are some thinner ones. Map Makers know how annoying redoing borders can be. I'm down to adjust these slighty (fix any minor errors), but I don't want to do them all over again, so it's probably going to be these or the old ones.

You'll notice that I made the continent to continent borders thicker. This is, again, to help distinguish where the bonus areas are.


Questions/Future

1. Gameplay


a. I think a bridge from Sao Paulo to Mato Grosso is a good idea. Helps add more flow to that area.

So, those of you out there that want your voice heard on gameplay. You high score people. Give your thoughts on this and other gameplay issues on the map.

b. Marv mentioned a bridge from Xingu to Amapa instead of Japura to Roraima. Thoughts?

I think it's a good idea. It makes getting to the north from the east a bit easier.




Comments. Suggestions. Complaints.

Don't be afraid.
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Postby WidowMakers on Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:51 pm

OH MY! THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!

I really like this better than the old one. The only thing is the borders in the south are hard to see. I would lighten the dark brown and dark green and a little.

Other than that, for now, that is it.

Clear Text - CHECK
Clear Bonus - CHECK
Nice Style - CHECK
Borders - Almost

Love IT!

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Postby bloknayrb on Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:47 am

I think the borders look fine, personally. I actually think everything is really well done, great work here.
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Postby I GOT SERVED on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:13 pm

My only issue was the colors on the legend. But this was remedied a la mini-map. Excellent choice.

Other than that, I'd say this is just aboot ready for final forge in my opinion.
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Postby mibi on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:46 pm

looks fun, cant wait to play.
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Postby Coleman on Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:51 pm

After the southern borders are redone as WM suggested I would consider this for Forging.
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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:30 pm

with regard to the Xingu to Guyanan Highlands connection, we could have that connection from Xingu to Amapa and then make Ceara connect to Amapa as well (instead of Suriname)


Anyone have thoughts on a bridge on that river in the middle of Brazilian Highlands?
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Postby Coleman on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:33 pm

Sounds good to me. :)

I'm noticing already I have a bit of a weakness for balance/game play sometimes that cairnswk was better at, hopefully my eyes will get more accustomed to looking for that. I feel like I should have noticed to make that suggestion. :(
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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:37 pm

when you're looking at probably 20 maps a day, you'll never catch everything.

my focus is on this map, so I'll notice more stuff (and also be a lot more blinded to things since I know so much about it)



Who were the 'high score' people again? I want some gameplay feedback from there folk.
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Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:54 pm

opening should be on lima instead of ecuador. looks well balanced for all styles to me atm, will have a closer inspection later.
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Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:55 pm

b. Marv mentioned a bridge from Xingu to Amapa instead of Japura to Roraima. Thoughts?

this too.
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Postby khazalid on Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:57 pm

on closer inspection i think the map would benefit from having both those bridges in (the hypothetical and the actual)
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Postby Marvaddin on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:28 pm

Another thing I would like to suggest... Move the names over Atlantic to a position where they are more connected to the land mass, like Pernambuco (when its possible, of course). There is no reason for having names like Bahia over the ocean.

Did you forget the little renames list I sent to you, ed? Its like 2-3 territories, if I remember well.
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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:41 pm

I did forget.

do you know them off hand?

edit: I changed Atacama to Cusco, but Rio Negro won't fit well where Japura is.

I have the names in the atlantic because all of them are that way. makes it more uniform. I'll move them all closer though.
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Postby tim02 on Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:58 pm

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Postby edbeard on Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:12 pm

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Made a few of the changes discussed here

1. Darkness of Patagonia and Gran Chaco cut down
2. Bridge from Xingu to Amapa and Matto Grosso to Sao Paulo
3. Water path now connects to Amapa instead of Suriname
4. I put out a different legend font because Marv suggested it. Let us know what you think. (I know we voted on this already, but just humour us please)
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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:55 am

I'm done with small map now too and the XML. I'll post these once I get some feedback on the legend. Whether people like the change or if I should go back the the previous legend font.


So, I just fixed all the changes in the XML, but I'm getting a syntax error I didn't get before.

Test results:

line 1: <map> - Did not expect text in element map content

Summary: 1 errors and 0 warnings detected in SouthAmerica.xml.txt

I'm also getting this on my old Caribbean Islands XML too.

But, my own personal checks did not come up with any problems.


here is the XML if you want to peek.(sorry about long text)

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<map>
<title>South America</title>
<smallwidth>496</smallwidth>
<smallheight>515</smallheight>
<largewidth>576</largewidth>
<largeheight>598</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>

   <continent>
<name>Andes</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Antioquia</component>
<component>Ecuador</component>
<component>Lima</component>
<component>Cusco</component>
<component>Santiago</component>
<component>Puerto Aisen</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Guyanan Highlands</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Caracas</component>
<component>Bogota</component>
<component>Bolivar</component>
<component>Guyana</component>
<component>Roraima</component>
<component>Suriname</component>
<component>Amapa</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Amazon</name>
<bonus>7</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Amazonas</component>
<component>Japura</component>
<component>Loreto</component>
<component>Acre</component>
<component>La Paz</component>
<component>Rondonia</component>
<component>Para</component>
<component>Xingu</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Brazilian Highlands</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Maranhao</component>
<component>Mato Grosso</component>
<component>Goias</component>
<component>Minas Gerais</component>
<component>Sao Paulo</component>
<component>Parana</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <continent>
<name>Caatinga</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Ceara</component>
<component>Fernando de Noronha</component>
<component>Pernambuco</component>
<component>Bahia</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Gran Chaco</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Potosi</component>
<component>Paraguay</component>
<component>Tucuman</component>
<component>La Rioja</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Pampas</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Rio Grande</component>
<component>Uruguay</component>
<component>Cordoba</component>
<component>Buenos Aires</component>
</components>
</continent>

<continent>
<name>Patagonia</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>

   <components>
<component>Mendoza</component>
<component>Chubut</component>
<component>Santa Cruz</component>
<component>Falklands</component>
<component>Tierra del Fuego</component>
</components>
</continent>

   <territory>
<name>Antioquia</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Ecuador</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>54</smallx>
<smally>74</smally>
<largex>65</largex>
<largey>83</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Ecuador</name>

   <borders>
<border>Antioquia</border>
<border>Loreto</border>
<border>Lima</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>36</smallx>
<smally>134</smally>
<largex>41</largex>
<largey>153</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Lima</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ecuador</border>
<border>Cusco</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>43</smallx>
<smally>203</smally>
<largex>51</largex>
<largey>232</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Cusco</name>

   <borders>
<border>Lima</border>
<border>Santiago</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>84</smallx>
<smally>233</smally>
<largex>99</largex>
<largey>264</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Santiago</name>

   <borders>
<border>Cusco</border>
<border>Puerto Aisen</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>93</smallx>
<smally>342</smally>
<largex>109</largex>
<largey>394</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Puerto Aisen</name>

   <borders>
<border>Santiago</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>88</smallx>
<smally>467</smally>
<largex>103</largex>
<largey>539</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Caracas</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Bolivar</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>107</smallx>
<smally>58</smally>
<largex>125</largex>
<largey>64</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bogota</name>

   <borders>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Caracas</border>
<border>Antioquia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>87</smallx>
<smally>81</smally>
<largex>103</largex>
<largey>92</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bolivar</name>

   <borders>
<border>Caracas</border>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>127</smallx>
<smally>91</smally>
<largex>148</largex>
<largey>103</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Guyana</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Suriname</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>180</smallx>
<smally>75</smally>
<largex>210</largex>
<largey>84</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Roraima</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bolivar</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>167</smallx>
<smally>116</smally>
<largex>195</largex>
<largey>130</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Suriname</name>

   <borders>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>215</smallx>
<smally>91</smally>
<largex>250</largex>
<largey>101</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Amapa</name>

   <borders>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Guyana</border>
<border>Suriname</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>196</smallx>
<smally>120</smally>
<largex>228</largex>
<largey>136</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Amazonas</name>

   <borders>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>Loreto</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>87</smallx>
<smally>135</smally>
<largex>102</largex>
<largey>156</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Japura</name>

   <borders>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Bogota</border>
<border>Roraima</border>
<border>Acre</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>146</smallx>
<smally>134</smally>
<largex>170</largex>
<largey>153</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Loreto</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ecuador</border>
<border>Amazonas</border>
<border>Acre</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>66</smallx>
<smally>151</smally>
<largex>77</largex>
<largey>175</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Acre</name>

   <borders>
<border>Loreto</border>
<border>Japura</border>
<border>La Paz</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>132</smallx>
<smally>159</smally>
<largex>154</largex>
<largey>181</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>La Paz</name>

   <borders>
<border>Acre</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>132</smallx>
<smally>230</smally>
<largex>154</largex>
<largey>263</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Rondonia</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Paz</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Para</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>172</smallx>
<smally>178</smally>
<largex>200</largex>
<largey>203</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Para</name>

   <borders>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>214</smallx>
<smally>152</smally>
<largex>249</largex>
<largey>173</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Xingu</name>

   <borders>
<border>Para</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>243</smallx>
<smally>173</smally>
<largex>283</largex>
<largey>197</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Maranhao</name>

   <borders>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>281</smallx>
<smally>168</smally>
<largex>327</largex>
<largey>191</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Mato Grosso</name>

   <borders>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>209</smallx>
<smally>254</smally>
<largex>243</largex>
<largey>291</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Goias</name>

   <borders>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Xingu</border>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>248</smallx>
<smally>247</smally>
<largex>289</largex>
<largey>282</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Minas Gerais</name>

   <borders>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>290</smallx>
<smally>255</smally>
<largex>337</largex>
<largey>292</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Sao Paulo</name>

   <borders>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
<border>Parana</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>254</smallx>
<smally>289</smally>
<largex>296</largex>
<largey>333</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Parana</name>

   <borders>
<border>Sao Paulo</border>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>234</smallx>
<smally>312</smally>
<largex>273</largex>
<largey>360</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Ceara</name>

   <borders>
<border>Maranhao</border>
<border>Amapa</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>307</smallx>
<smally>177</smally>
<largex>357</largex>
<largey>203</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Fernando de Noronha</name>

   <borders>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>396</smallx>
<smally>145</smally>
<largex>460</largex>
<largey>165</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Pernambuco</name>

   <borders>
<border>Fernando de Noronha</border>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Bahia</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>346</smallx>
<smally>185</smally>
<largex>402</largex>
<largey>211</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Bahia</name>

   <borders>
<border>Ceara</border>
<border>Pernambuco</border>
<border>Goias</border>
<border>Minas Gerais</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>309</smallx>
<smally>219</smally>
<largex>359</largex>
<largey>251</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Potosi</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Paz</border>
<border>Rondonia</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>Tucuman</border>
<border>Santiago</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>145</smallx>
<smally>268</smally>
<largex>171</largex>
<largey>308</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Paraguay</name>

   <borders>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Mato Grosso</border>
<border>Tucuman</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>198</smallx>
<smally>307</smally>
<largex>231</largex>
<largey>353</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Tucuman</name>

   <borders>
<border>Potosi</border>
<border>Paraguay</border>
<border>La Rioja</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>153</smallx>
<smally>295</smally>
<largex>180</largex>
<largey>342</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>La Rioja</name>

   <borders>
<border>Tucuman</border>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>155</smallx>
<smally>331</smally>
<largex>181</largex>
<largey>382</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Rio Grande</name>

   <borders>
<border>Parana</border>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Uruguay</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>223</smallx>
<smally>344</smally>
<largex>260</largex>
<largey>397</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Uruguay</name>

   <borders>
<border>Rio Grande</border>
<border>Buenos Aires</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>200</smallx>
<smally>366</smally>
<largex>233</largex>
<largey>422</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Cordoba</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Buenos Aires</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>156</smallx>
<smally>369</smally>
<largex>182</largex>
<largey>426</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Buenos Aires</name>

   <borders>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Uruguay</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>177</smallx>
<smally>405</smally>
<largex>206</largex>
<largey>469</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Mendoza</name>

   <borders>
<border>La Rioja</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Chubut</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>123</smallx>
<smally>383</smally>
<largex>144</largex>
<largey>440</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Chubut</name>

   <borders>
<border>Mendoza</border>
<border>Cordoba</border>
<border>Santa Cruz</border>
<border>Falklands</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>135</smallx>
<smally>440</smally>
<largex>158</largex>
<largey>507</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Santa Cruz</name>

   <borders>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>125</smallx>
<smally>484</smally>
<largex>144</largex>
<largey>559</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Falklands</name>

   <borders>
<border>Chubut</border>
<border>Tierra del Fuego</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>189</smallx>
<smally>504</smally>
<largex>219</largex>
<largey>581</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>

   <territory>
<name>Tierra del Fuego</name>

   <borders>
<border>Santa Cruz</border>
<border>Falklands</border>
<border>Puerto Aisen</border>
</borders>

   <coordinates>
<smallx>136</smallx>
<smally>522</smally>
<largex>159</largex>
<largey>601</largey>
</coordinates>
</territory>
</map>
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Postby yeti_c on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:05 am

The problem is the dashes -> did you save this using IE?

You need to open this in notepad - and get rid of those dashes...

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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:13 am

no I did it in notepad

dashes were there from my Caribbean Islands xml. this problem never occurred with the old tester.

Anyway, that was the problem. Thanks!

I had one mistake in there Amapa didn't have Ceara as a border. Post edited above.
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Postby yeti_c on Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:19 am

edbeard wrote:no I did it in notepad

dashes were there from my Caribbean Islands xml. this problem never occurred with the old tester.

Anyway, that was the problem. Thanks!

I had one mistake in there Amapa didn't have Ceara as a border. Post edited above.


New tester is much more strict!!! DiM was having this problem too...

However I assume that Lack would've had to strip out those dashes in old XML's if they were there regardless of what the XML tester said!!

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Postby WidowMakers on Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:47 am

edbeard wrote:4. I put out a different legend font because Marv suggested it. Let us know what you think. (I know we voted on this already, but just humour us please)
I actually like the old text better (page 14)

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Postby edbeard on Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:43 pm

I figured I might as well post the small and large since I have them both. I'll wait to see more people comment on the legend font (also to see what Marv thinks).
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Postby Marvaddin on Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:03 pm

Very good, I liked the legend a lot :)

The single thing I still dislike is the position of some names. I would move Loreto to the west, and Guyana, Suriname and Maranhão a bit to southeast. I would make the names touch the land, also, when possible. And I still think its strange names like Bahia and Minas Gerais over ocean instead over land.

Hmmm, maybe reduce Pampas brightness too...

But other than that, I think its done :)
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Postby edbeard on Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:34 pm

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Postby edbeard on Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:34 pm

Added the small map with same changes in my previous post just above this one.

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