Rail Europe [Quenched]

by **koontz1973** on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:46 pm

cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

by **cairnswk** on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:19 pm

koontz1973 wrote:cairnswk, I would rather you did not. Whilst it is not played by me a lot, it is one of the funny maps that is not perfectly balanced and bland. I like the fact we have some maps like this. Just my thoughts on this issue.

Thanks koontz for that vp.

by **JBlombier** on Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:37 pm

Rail Europe is my all time favorite map. And as much as I've always enjoyed the M-bonus against people who didn't see the value of it, I can't say it's very balanced. Because there a lot of bonuses, I think it wouldn't harm the map to make the M-bonus worth 2 troops, instead of 3.

I'm a big fan of the map as it is, so I don't really care if it's changed, but I thougt I might add to the conversation that it's indeed an unfair bonus.

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:22 am

Thanks for your comments JBlombier

Are these rail lines any better??

Click image to enlarge.

by **isaiah40** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:59 pm

I believe they are! Good job cairns!

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:22 pm

isaiah40 wrote:I believe they are! Good job cairns!

Thank-you isaish40

I test them with the xml and make sure nothing else has moved before asking for upload

by **ManBungalow** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:23 pm

I like it.

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:26 pm

ManBungalow wrote:I like it.

Thank MB

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:41 pm

Click image to enlarge.

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by **codierose** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:49 pm

NO no no no no no leave alone why mess a map up for some one whos only played it 5 times bloody hell how many years has this map been here. hell whilst your at it lets go and change all the other maps that have been quenched

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:04 pm

codierose wrote:NO no no no no no leave alone why mess a map up for some one whos only played it 5 times bloody hell how many years has this map been here. hell whilst your at it lets go and change all the other maps that have been quenched

calm down codierose...for goodness sake
all i have done is updated the image..not the gameplay, the discussion of which is still in progress...thanks though for you input not to change the gameplay.

by **cairnswk** on Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:12 pm

So, at present....here is a summary of who does and does not want gameplay change in relation to Bonus M (and maybe other bonuses)
If there is to be any change there will have to be a much bigger majority on the side of wanting change than against it.

Against:

For:

by **chapcrap** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:38 pm

cairnswk wrote:So, at present....here is a summary of who does and does not want gameplay change in relation to Bonus M (and maybe other bonuses)
If there is to be any change there will have to be a much bigger majority on the side of wanting change than against it.

Against:
codierose
JBlombier
koontz1973
Industrial Helix

For:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD
fumandomuerte
nikola_milicki
benga
abel
chapcrap

by **IcePack** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:09 pm

chapcrap wrote:
cairnswk wrote:So, at present....here is a summary of who does and does not want gameplay change in relation to Bonus M (and maybe other bonuses)
If there is to be any change there will have to be a much bigger majority on the side of wanting change than against it.

Against:
codierose
JBlombier
koontz1973
Industrial Helix

For:
BENJIKAT IS DEAD
fumandomuerte
nikola_milicki
benga
abel
chapcrap
icepack

by **AndyDufresne** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:13 pm

I, like Lewis Morris of New York in the 1776 musical, abstain (courteously).

--Andy

by **ManBungalow** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:16 pm

What's the proposed gameplay change?

by **cairnswk** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:19 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:I, like Lewis Morris of New York in the 1776 musical, abstain (courteously).
--Andy

Aw common Andy, you can do better than that now the pressure is off

ManBungalow wrote:What's the proposed gameplay change?

Some want the bonuses re-examined...
some want Line M bonus reduced

by **DoomYoshi** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:10 pm

I agree with N and M both being looked at. We might collectively decide that they are OK as they are, but the discussion should be opened up. With trench warfare especially, an N bonus is nearly impossible to break.

by **chapcrap** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 7:01 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I agree with N and M both being looked at. We might collectively decide that they are OK as they are, but the discussion should be opened up. With trench warfare especially, an N bonus is nearly impossible to break.

Don't be such a pansy Doom. If you trained your troops harder, you could break it every time. I win battles with just 1 troop left and have him cover two terts at once.

by **cairnswk** on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:59 pm

I have run the bonus calculator again on this and the results are

Click image to enlarge.

by **chapcrap** on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:14 pm

The evidence is in!!

by **cairnswk** on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:27 pm

chapcrap wrote:The evidence is in!!

Doesn't mean it is going to be accepted. :cry:

I have previously stated that there has to be a far greater majority in favour of this change and i ma not seeing evidence of that so far.

by **AndyDufresne** on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:42 pm

cairnswk wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:I, like Lewis Morris of New York in the 1776 musical, abstain (courteously).
--Andy

Aw common Andy, you can do better than that now the pressure is off

Unfortunately I've played this map...exactly one time, and I don't even remember playing that game really. Ha.

--Andy

by **DoomYoshi** on Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:47 pm

The calculator itself says that the bonuses are too high...

Also, I just played a 1v1 where it would have taken me 4 turns from starting positions to even attack the N bonus. Going through 6 neutrals along the one path no less.