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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:06 pm

gimil wrote:cairns you didn't have to shout :cry:

I tried my best to keep up with your map :(


gimil...i know you tried your best...but i also expect you to go back a little ways and read some of what is being written to keep up, and a couple of times this question was ask, and you proceeded to ask it again. One does lose some patience you know! :cry:

However, onwards and upwards.! :)
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:08 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:
lol, reading! :roll: who the hell does that?!


my point exactly kaplowitz!
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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:14 pm

onbekende wrote:I changed the stuff about the bonusses where it needed to be changed

Thanks for doing that.

Brabant Express:
4 terr, 3 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, more then enough for a 4 terr continent with 3 to defend stations. (1.0)
change name to "Benelux Express" (1.1)

Done

Baltic Express:
3 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 3, thus good
Station "SPG", its name in't bolded as everyone elses. (2.0)
Done

Nord Express:
5 terr, 4 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 5, thus good
Station "KLG", its top with clock is different from the other 1 station, 1 line stations, as in you keep the arc in gray and here not (3.0)

Done

Vilnius Express:
3 terr, 2 def, 4 cont => Bonus of 3, but I like your 2, more appropiate, thus fine
Station "VIL" has the same as adressed in 3.0, look at "MIN" next to it how I mean I like it (4.0)

Done

British Rail:
4 terr, 1 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 2, thus good
I can't but wonder that "GLW" station is wider in size then "EDB" or is it my eyes?

GLW is same width as EDB...done.

Trentitalia:
5 terr, 3 def, 2 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree with 2, thus fine
station "CBA" and "BSI" don't have that nifty color in there top as the rest of the 1 station, 1 line stations (5.0)
the name of "FLN" is slighty off to the left (5.1)

Done

Orient Exp 1919:
7 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I say 7 is more then fine for that railway (6.0)

Done

Sim Orient Exp 1921:
9 terr, 9 def, 13 cont => Bonus of 10, I say atleast a bonus of 9 (7.0)

Done

Ven-Sim Orient Exp:

6 terr, 6 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 7, I agree, this will be a fought over railway[/quote]
Done

Train Grande Vitesse:
4 terr, 4 def, 9 cont => Bonus of 5 but I say make it a bonus of 3! yes 3, explaination is at the bottom of post (8.0)
I'll meet you halfway and make it bonus of four.

Rail Iberia:
7 terr, 2 def, 1 cont => Bonus of 3, seems failrly nice
Done

EuroCity 174-175:
terr 7, def 6, cont 7 => Bonus of 7, I say a bonus of 6 shall be sufficient for it (9.0)
"PRG" station, you switch colors between the color behind the name and on the sides. (9.1)

Done

Scandanavian Rail:
7 terr, 2 def, 3 cont => Bonus of 3, but I agree on the 2
"HAM" station doesn't has the color of Scandanavian Rail behinds its name (10.0)

Done

Trans Europe Exp:
7 terr, 6 def, 10 cont => Bonus of 7, thus good
Good

Ukraine Express:
6 terr, 3 def, 5 cont => Bonus of 4, make it 4, seeing you only need to defend 3 stations anyway. (11.0)
Good

Iceberg Express:
5 terr, 5 def, 8 cont => Bonus of 6, thus good
Why on earth is it called "Iceberg Express"? it links London (LON) - Brussels (BRU) - Keulen (KLN) - Luzern? (LUS) - Paris (PAR), thus why not calling it the Thalys or if a more wider term, HST as in "High Speed Trains" which run between those city's

I got it out one of the schedules, but can't find it again now. It also goes up to the Alps but there is not enough room to put that alps terr in for Switzerland. LUS is Lausanne in France. WE can look at that one again later.

(8.0): if you hold the TGV's Paris station and NCE station, you have both TGV + Rail Iberia, thus don't overgo on the bonus of those 2, hends I wish TGV = 3

I'd still like to stick with 4 for TGV, as Nice is part of the TGV. And i think you will have a hard time keepoing those continents if you manage to get them.

Thanks for the preview and all the fixes. :) Fixes made in the version 6 below

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Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:17 pm

unriggable wrote:Why does turkey overlap the legend when there are no stations there?


Having no stations there is irrelevant unriggable.
This is simply a art-design feature that i have included for this map, and provides a good placeholder for my sig, :)
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Postby onbekende on Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:51 pm

now a more stupid idea but heck, why not

you got those nifty clocks there now, why not use them?

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LIS-LON-BMH-EDB-GLW set to 3 o clock (already)
rest to 4 o clock
HSL-KLG-VIL-MIN-LVV-KEV-ODS-BUC-SOF-ISL-ATH set to 5 o clock
SPG-MOW set to 6 o clock

althout this may be relevant, you can make the biggest bunch 3 o clock (unchainging) and adjust accordingly
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Postby casper on Tue Sep 04, 2007 1:28 am

Personally I think there are too many clocks. Kind of distracting. Maybe put clocks on only major stations just like you did with the USA Rail map (which needs to be quenched!). Again, another great map shaping up here.
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Postby cairnswk on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:40 am

onbekende wrote:now a more stupid idea but heck, why not

you got those nifty clocks there now, why not use them?

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LIS-LON-BMH-EDB-GLW set to 3 o clock (already)
rest to 4 o clock
HSL-KLG-VIL-MIN-LVV-KEV-ODS-BUC-SOF-ISL-ATH set to 5 o clock
SPG-MOW set to 6 o clock

althout this may be relevant, you can make the biggest bunch 3 o clock (unchainging) and adjust accordingly


Thanks for the suggestion onbekende.
I am going to see if i can put the timetables up on the clocks to some degree.....later
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Postby cairnswk on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:42 am

casper wrote:Personally I think there are too many clocks. Kind of distracting. Maybe put clocks on only major stations just like you did with the USA Rail map (which needs to be quenched!). Again, another great map shaping up here.

Thanks for the great maps comment casper.

Do you think that also...i looked at that this morning and thought there was a lot of clocks.

I'd prefer this map to have some differences from the USA RAIL....what do others think....are there too many clocks, and if so, should they only go on terminals with more that one station?
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Postby Gnome on Tue Sep 04, 2007 3:49 am

the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:
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Postby cairnswk on Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:02 am

Gnome wrote:the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:
OK...i'll see what happens....thanks gnome
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Postby cairnswk on Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:53 pm

Moving on...the terts around Brussels, Luasanne and Köln are very cramped.

I want to place another two stations on the Glacier Express (stupid me...i've got the Iceberg Express) for probably Chur and St Moritz, and I think these are really important both in terms of the inclusion of Switzerland, and stations in the Alps.

In order to achieve this, the three big stations might have to be moved to the left side of the map, and token icons place on the main map.
Paris will have to move slightly up or down, and the text about gaemplay will probably have to move down to the Med Sea above the legend.

Does anyone have any objection to this occuring?
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Postby cairnswk on Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:56 pm

Gnome wrote:the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:


Gnome....your signature is oversize....qwert might see that LOL...size restrictions apply also here 150h x 600w.
Sorry, but just getting in before you get trounced on...
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Postby Gnome on Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:32 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Gnome wrote:the clocks don't really bother me...maybe you can make them a little transparent...But for me you don't have to take them away, and I like the idea of the timetable...Some will never notice this detail but others will tell you that your a great mapper with an eye for detail :wink:


Gnome....your signature is oversize....qwert might see that LOL...size restrictions apply also here 150h x 600w.
Sorry, but just getting in before you get trounced on...


lol thx didn't know that :wink:

oh and besides, I got my inspiration from you, hope you don't mind :wink:
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Re: RAIL EUROPE V6 - Station/Map Design? P5

Postby unriggable on Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:05 pm

cairnswk wrote:Current Version
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Let's see...

Bolden the lines to make it easier to see (especially in the small version)
Fix Athens and IRN (wtf) to resemble the stacked look of other multistations.
Fix the tip so that it doesn't say "four way stations" but instead intersecting stations so it doesn't rule out places like paris.
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Postby edbeard on Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:15 pm

There are 6 terminals with 2 stations that are stacked and 4 that are side by side. For the most part I think they're setup for spacing reasons and occasionally it seems to help the eye separate where the territories are. Though I suppose if it's easy to stack them all maybe it would be better?

One thing you should do is add the yellow line from ATH to SOF


As cairns has said quite a few times, the lines are being replaced by rail once the setup is finalized so widow only has to do it once.

The Paris note is above the Paris station
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