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Postby Aerial Attack on Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:33 pm

I really like what you've done with the map.

You indicated that you added the attack path from Maryland (Annapolis) to USS4 so that a Northern General could control the Yankee Navy.

In order for this to hold true - the North shipyard (New York? or Maryland?) should be able to one way attack all Union ships. And the South shipyard (S. Carolina? or Virginia?) be able to one way attack all Confederate ships. Or maybe the Confederate Navy wasn't as organized?

I realize that this could suddenly make those States/Cities much more valuable as they also effectively control each Navy.
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Postby reverend_kyle on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:24 pm

why does the ocean randomly end?
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Postby Unit_2 on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:34 pm

Elijah S, can you PLEASE change the color of the Sherman states? it is really a bad color.
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Postby Elijah S on Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:42 pm

Aerial-
I kindof like your idea about the fleet being controlled via 1-way attacks from Maryland... I'll see what I can do.

Reverend... the ocean doesn't just end, if you look closer you'll see simulated waves in the black area below. I think this gives it some depth, rather than just a flat 2-dimensional board.

Unit... I like the colors and unless this is something that others comment on, it will stay the same.
In fact, I DID tone down the blue after one of your earlier pleadings.
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Postby Qwert on Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:18 pm

Qwert-
-Yes, this map is historically accurate

These is good,now you can try to find real names for ship,instead these i belive not real names.
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Postby oaktown on Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:59 pm

first time I've checked in on this one in a couple of weeks... I assume you're sticking with Davis? Personally I've been against Lincoln to begin with, and now that I've stared at it I think I know why - what stands out about Lincoln isn't his face, but his shirt. His face is almost entirely washed out, especially across the river - as if his face has actually but cut off by the river. It's just kinda weird to me.

Anyway, that's nitpicking. This has come along nicely, though i think you could have more fun with your sig!

I can see what Rev Kyle was getting at with the ocean "randomly ending" - if the flag extended to the legend it might look cleaner. There are a lot of different backgrounds going on.

Forgive me for not reading all of the back posts and ignore this if it's already been discussed, but is the lighter border between W.Virginia and Maryland intentional? Looks like you've got the wrong weight on that stroke.
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Postby Elijah S on Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:53 pm

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Notable changes:

-A Legend Box has been added around "Neutral Territories Earn No Bonus"
-An attack has been added to enable Marlyland to attack Union Ships
-All fonts have been made the same on the map and in the legend
-The ships have all been named
-The background flags have been extended to the Legend
-The images of Lincoln and Davis have been turned off. -I think it looks less cluttered like this, especially with the addition of the boxes around the Legend.

Thanks to Qwert, Reverend Kyle and Oaktown for the input...
-I'm working on a new sig Oak ;)
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Postby Coleman on Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:26 pm

I'm assuming you were trying to copy what you did on the right legend with the 'Maryland can one-way attack union ships' when you placed the union ship graphic in, but I believe it would look better if you just let the text wrap a bit more and put the union ship on the left like you did for the neutral territories box.

Nothing else from me. Everything looks great besides that to my eyes. =D>
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Postby spiesr on Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:03 pm

1. The thing in legend where it says Maryland can one way attack union ships. Does this mean it can attack all of them or just the Monitor? Can you make it more clear somehow?
2. Swap the names of Dakota Territrory and The Badlands.
3. Move Wisconsin's army circle down slightly so it doesn't touch the words.
4. Move the words Michigan and Indiana to the left slightly so they doesn't toch the border on the right.
5. Remove the fuzzy black area from the bottom of the map. It looks bad with the Essex on top of it.
6. Move the Stonewall's army circle down slightly.
7. Move the Augustana's army circle right so it is under the words instead of the ship.
8. Move the word Tennesse down a very small amount.
9. Move the word Pensylvania up a very small amount.
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Postby Aerial Attack on Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:09 pm

I saw USS Monitor and immediately looked for Merrimack (which is actually the CSS Virginia). Albeit slightly out of it's normal patrol area.

I used Civil War Ironclads links for both Union Coastal Ironclads and Confederate Ironclads

Here is what I came away with for suggested names:

CSS: Virginia and Manassas are good, replace Stonewall with Atlanta
USS: Monitor and Essex are good, replace Niagara with Montauk or Patapsco, replace Augusta with Galena


Everything else looks great (assuming you follow Coleman's suggestion).
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Postby cairnswk on Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:56 pm

Elijah, I'd like to see a large and small version together if they are available, when you have a chance thanks.
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Postby Elijah S on Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:07 pm

small map: 620px wide x 506px high
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I looked at all recent suggestions and here's the changes that were made...

-The small union ship inside the box stating that Maryland can attack union ships was moved to the left side.
-Dakota state name was switched with Badlands (this could've gone either way, but I figured what the hell)
-Some army circles and state names were moved slightly.
-Some of the ships names were changed (thanks for the research Aerial)
-The Confederate flag was repositioned and levels adjusted a little.

I did not change the area at the bottom which simulates waves. It gives the map depth.

Some of the army circles for the ships have a kindof pink cast to them. -This will be addressed once I'm sure they're positioned where they will be permanently.
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Postby Coleman on Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:59 pm

Clear from me from here on out. Thanks for the quick response. :) I pass the ball to Andy and cairnswk for forging this.
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Postby soundout9 on Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:10 pm

Do you prefer the board which includes Jefferson Davis or the one without him?
A) I like the board WITH the Jefferson Davis graphic.
B) I prefer the board WITHOUT the Jefferson Davis graphic.



I dont see a difference :?
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Postby spiesr on Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:17 pm

soundout9 wrote:Do you prefer the board which includes Jefferson Davis or the one without him?
A) I like the board WITH the Jefferson Davis graphic.
B) I prefer the board WITHOUT the Jefferson Davis graphic.



I dont see a difference :?

It is barely visible in the background of the south...
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Postby Elijah S on Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:22 pm

The poll is pretty much done now... (as soon as the mods turn it off).
Ultimately, I think I'm leaning to not using either Lincoln or Davis graphics...
So, unless there's a major call from people to put them back in, I think the maps on this page are where we're at. -Elijah
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Postby Coleman on Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:36 pm

Do you prefer the board which includes Jefferson Davis or the one without him?
  • A) I like the board WITH the Jefferson Davis graphic. - 77% - [ 14 ]
  • B) I prefer the board WITHOUT the Jefferson Davis graphic. - 22% - [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 18

Sorry about the delay.

Also I accidentally deleted the first post instead of the poll initially and have no idea how to reverse it. :oops:

Hopefully this is recoverable. If not I made an Elijah S post become the new first post so hopefully he can fix it himself.
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Postby Elijah S on Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:41 pm

Coleman wrote:Do you prefer the board which includes Jefferson Davis or the one without him?
  • A) I like the board WITH the Jefferson Davis graphic. - 77% - [ 14 ]
  • B) I prefer the board WITHOUT the Jefferson Davis graphic. - 22% - [ 4 ]
Total Votes : 18

Sorry about the delay.

Also I accidentally deleted the first post instead of the poll initially and have no idea how to reverse it. :oops:

Hopefully this is recoverable. If not I made an Elijah S post become the new first post so hopefully he can fix it himself.


No worries Coleman... It was regarding the poll, which is now kindof a moot point anyway.
Thanks for all your help!
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Postby reverend_kyle on Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:04 am

I love the expanded flag, if you could expand it and florida down to the note about the notes at the bottom I think this map would be perfect.

I really love that you're doing a history map that is very accurate.
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Postby spiesr on Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:05 pm

Yes remove the fuzzy thing. It looks bad.
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Postby Chirondom on Thu Nov 01, 2007 7:38 pm

You know it would be interesting if you eliminated the attack route between Missip. and Louis. It could create a drawn out situation that could realistically reflect the period, where one player had to circumvent it by attacking through the territories.
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Postby Suzy1 on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:43 am

Chirondom wrote:You know it would be interesting if you eliminated the attack route between Missip. and Louis. It could create a drawn out situation that could realistically reflect the period, where one player had to circumvent it by attacking through the territories.


I disagree. I think if that attack route is eliminated, there would be a great disadvantage to whoever is trying to take over the gray areas. The southwestern part would be too easily held.
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Postby Piestar on Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:19 am

Too late to toss in an idea? Having become a fan of the interesting variants allowed on the maps here, I think it would be interesting to have a one-way north routh through the Shenandoah Valley.

Not sure how you would demote it on the map, maybe a route that leads from Virginia to Penn., skipping Maryland?

Not that NOT doing it would stop me from trying this cool map, it just seems appropriate...
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Postby Elijah S on Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:55 am

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The major change here is that the confederate flag has been extended to the bottom of the board.

I looked at the suggestions since my last update and don't think that elimintaing an attack between Miss - Louisiana would do anything positive to gameplay.
It would force players to take too long a path in order to advance from the east to west or vice - verse.

The Shenandoah path is interesting and I'll give that some consideration, but at this point I think the gameplay is pretty much set, except that some bonus amounts may get some review.
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Postby Aerial Attack on Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:33 pm

Besides Mississippi and Louisiana already connect even w/o the bridge (brown section just above CSS Manassas and to the right of the Mississippi river). Right now, the bridge is just something pretty - if it were to connect Mississippi to Arkansas instead ...
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