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Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:08 pm**

cairnswk wrote:it's a real shame that you and others don't get into the Map Foundry and express your concerns before these maps are quenched.

Ah, the thankless and lonely job of the mapmaker.

Anyway, I think the above change will do the trick.

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:15 pm**

Agreed, that's fine.

Posted: **Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:35 pm**

cairnswk wrote:
Night Strike wrote:I'll take it. Much better than before.

Thank you Night Strike,. but it's a real shame that you and others don't get into the Map Foundry and express your concerns before these maps are quenched.
You could save us and others a lot of energy and time wasting.
This map was available for ages in the Foundry and hardly anyone bothered to comment on it.

Oh, come on now cairns, you know that isn't accurate. I'm not a foundry regular, but I've supported all 3 of your Rail maps through most if not all of the process. I didn't follow the map as closely near the end, but I also didn't realize there would be something unclear like that. Your fix is hidden enough to not take away from the map, but still relevant to address the issue.

Posted: **Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:35 am**

oaktown wrote:
cairnswk wrote:it's a real shame that you and others don't get into the Map Foundry and express your concerns before these maps are quenched.

Ah, the thankless and lonely job of the mapmaker.

Anyway, I think the above change will do the trick.

Yes and you know it all too well don't you?

Posted: **Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:37 am**

Sent to lackattack

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http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282 ... a_V29S.jpg

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Posted: **Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:57 am**

I'm playing my first game on this map, and I was convinced there was a dot between LHC and QLP indicating a connection... It's definitely there, and looks more like an attack route on the small map. If I lose the game, I'm going to blame that dot!

Posted: **Wed Feb 18, 2009 3:22 pm**

MrBenn wrote:I'm playing my first game on this map, and I was convinced there was a dot between LHC and QLP indicating a connection... It's definitely there, and looks more like an attack route on the small map. If I lose the game, I'm going to blame that dot!

of course Mr Benn, you can blame anything you like...except your own eyes.
That black dot is actually the tip of the railway station roof.

Posted: **Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:51 pm**

Now that you've told me what it is, I can see that. I still think it's an issue on the small map - it's the combination of the circles on the roof that lead to that bit of the roof looking like it isn't the roof... and as the two stations are so close it feels like they could connect... Yes, I should have been paying more attention, but this kind of thing is the trivial kind of thing that puts people off maps (I haven't knowingly played China since misattacking Shaanxi/Shanxi)...

Posted: **Sat Feb 21, 2009 9:03 pm**

LHC QLP,hmm i must say that i dont see any black dots betwen these two station.

Posted: **Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:16 pm**

qwert wrote:LHC QLP,hmm i must say that i dont see any black dots betwen these two station.

now fill the area around that with 580x550px of similar graphics.

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Posted: **Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:26 am**

Version 30...fixes the roof of LHC station, the station has been moved southwest by 4 pixels on both maps.
There should be no room for poor interpretation now.

Click image to enlarge.

http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/_rail_australia.xml

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Posted: **Sun Feb 22, 2009 4:56 am**

Thanks

Posted: **Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:20 pm**

lackattack wrote:updated!

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:53 am**

On map inspect ADL R borders BDT but BDT only says it connects to O and V rails, map should be updated to show that BDT also hits R - is BOB wrong or is the map incorrect?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2010 4:05 pm**

trapyoung wrote:On map inspect ADL R borders BDT but BDT only says it connects to O and V rails, map should be updated to show that BDT also hits R - is BOB wrong or is the map incorrect?

My map inspect says that BDT hits ADL R and ADL O which is correct, as well BGO V and MEL V

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:08 pm**

Why does ADL R border BDT tho? BDT only has O and V next to it's name on the map implying it is linked to those stations on the O and V lines but nothing about R, while PGA on the other hand lists R, G, and I next to the territory name definitely noting that it links to those stations on the R, G and I lines? What I'm saying is that BDT needs something next to it to say it is connected to the R station or the xml must be updated because those territories are not supposed to be linked.

Posted: **Thu Apr 08, 2010 10:47 am**

Actually, you may have a point...
Both BHL and BDT are connected to ADL R along yellow dotted lines; this would suggest that these stations could have 'R' indicators; although the indicators are there to denote the bonus groupings rather than connections. There is some ambiguity, for sure; but I'm not convinced there are any actual errors :-k

For comparison, TNC and ISA are clearly connected, although neither station shares any bonus/line indicators.

Posted: **Thu Apr 08, 2010 12:25 pm**

Well my response would be that ADL R and BDT are not clearly connected, I could understand why ADL O is connected because of the proximity and link but PGA links to three territories on "the wheel" and has G, I, and R on the territory name, while BDT only links to two - I find it ambiguous without map inspect to infer that BDT borders ADL R while the bonus structure infers PGA links to those areas on ADL, nothing really shows why BDT does not - why doesn't BDT also hit three of the territories on "the wheel"? I bring this up because in a clan game my partner and I disputed whether the territory BDT could hit ADL R or whether BOB was wrong because he does not use BOB and relies on the map solely to determine connections

Posted: **Thu Apr 08, 2010 1:29 pm**

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:24 pm**

-doublepost. second one more thorough. sorry-

Posted: **Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:32 pm**

Okay... cairnswk has addressed this, but I STILL have a question. so, let me restate the issue and explain.

For what reason can Broken Hill (BHL, I&N routes) attack Adelaide R (ADL R) as well as ADL I?
For what reason can BDT O&V attack ADL R?

This seems to be a bug solely with ADL R having extra connections. By what APPEARS on the map, it should connect ONLY to the other 3 ADL stations, and PGA (G,I,R).

cairnswk wrote:
Gilligan wrote:
1. BHL borders ADL-R even though it doesn't have the letter R on the station.

2. BDT borders ADL-R even though it doesn't have the letter R on the station.

I was going to mention this too.

Of course they border....they are all encompassed with the ADL station, therefore it makes sense that that BDT and BHL would border.

If this is the case, Why do not ALL ADL stations border EVERY adjacent station?

Specifically:
PGA (G,I,R) only borders ADL G, ADL I, and ADL R. *not* ADL O, which is "encompassed with the ADL station".
BHL (I,N) only borders ADL I and ADL R. *not* ADL O or ADL G, both of which are "encompassed with the ADL station".
BDT (O,V) only Borders ADL O, and ADL R. *not* ADL G or ADL I, both of which are "encompassed with the ADL station".

I'm sorry, but the logic is inconsistent.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:05 am**

I don't think that O/V-BDT should connect to R-ADL. Same thing with I/N-BHL now that I look at it. The only station that is labelled R that connects to ADL (and hence should border R-ADL) is G/I/R-PGA.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:16 am**

agentcom wrote:I don't think that O/V-BDT should connect to R-ADL. Same thing with I/N-BHL now that I look at it. The only station that is labelled R that connects to ADL (and hence should border R-ADL) is G/I/R-PGA.

Wow.

EDIT: This appears to have had a discussion before, and was just never changed.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:36 am**

Haha, yeah I didn't read even this page. Simple fix, right? Not sure you even need the mapmaker for a minor XML change that's consistent with the map, or am I wrong about that? Probably moot anyway because cairns is pretty good about keeping on top of this stuff.

Posted: **Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:58 am**

agentcom wrote:Haha, yeah I didn't read even this page. Simple fix, right? Not sure you even need the mapmaker for a minor XML change that's consistent with the map, or am I wrong about that? Probably moot anyway because cairns is pretty good about keeping on top of this stuff.

I sent him a pm, always good to keep him in the loop.

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