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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby oaktown on Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:10 pm

cairnswk wrote:The small image is 500 x 435
The large will be 650 x 566.

I would lobby for the maps being a bit bigger. I know it's a "small" map in terms of territory count, but with the rivers and boats and the narrow territories with long names there is a lot going on in the center of the map. For me the busyness detracts from the otherwise excellent graphics, so if you bumped the small map up a bit it would require less leaning in for me to figure out what is what. Kemwer territory is especially troublesome, as it too me a while to notice that it borders Kha and Djanet.

Graphix stuph: The Sphinx still seems a bit off... there's an unnecessary pixely border around parts of it, and since it is so much darker than the column-shaped legend below it I don't buy that it is sitting atop it. The bevel effect next to the rivers is a bit too thick to reflect the banks of a river, but again that's just my opinion. And the color on the outside of each column could be darkened to match the rest of the map. And the font being used for the regions looks both Greek rather than Egyptian and cartoonish.

Gameplay stuph: The Memphis and Alexandria colors are a bit too close for me, though I can easily figure out what is what by the mini-map. Same with Tanis and Sile. Maybe instead of the current line about the Dows, it should say something like "River Nile can only be crossed by the Dows" - putting the emphasis on the uncrossable nature of the river rather than on the boats. And I'm uncomfortable with the three territory +3 regions, while all of the four terit regions are only +2. I recognize that the smaller regions have one more border to defend, but I'm not sure that's worth the extra army.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:43 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oaktown and snufkin comments above....thanks guys for the comments

I think i might just start over again. ;)

Different gameplay altogether.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:01 pm

snufkin wrote:dont be lazy researching pre-greek names, I dont wanna tell you exactly what to do or do it for you - just pointing out a major error or whatever you choose to call it when things are off by thousands of years... you could just drop the map´s claim to be about the three kingdoms if you don´t want to change anything.

i'm not happy with your solution....
Seems to me that whatever i do you or someone else who is into egyptian history won't be happy with it anyway so....i'll change it completely so there are no continents to worry about.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby snufkin on Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:16 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Different gameplay altogether.


keep the beatiful thing you have going - i was only suggesting some name changes - this looks like a great map
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby greenoaks on Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:48 pm

i prefer the names as they are because those are the names most of the world knows and recognises. very few of us are historians specialising in ancient egypt.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby tim02 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:57 pm

Nice map love the continents so much,great map, can't wait to play
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby onbekende on Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:12 am

you asked for me he :D


Bonus seem fine by me, thou perhaps 4 for Tanis it being the center and all

I will go with V12 (other is fine, personal opinion)

Alexandria: all well

Xios: everything well

Mendes: lovely 2 border territorie, and not on the edge, nice!

Tanis: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 6 cont (all) => Bonus of 4 Really, 4 is good for this!

Sile: good

Memphis: nice

Heliopolis: smart choise to put the name tag of Heq-at so low, good thinking




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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby gimil on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:19 am

Lower Egypt - Which version do you prefer?

Poll runs till Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:29 am
You may select 1 option

V13 - no continents, but bonuses for each territories and cities held.
1
33%

V12 - Classic style continents named after the major creek cities with territories named after the ancient nomes
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33%

V13 - no continents, but bonuses for each territories and cities held.
1
33%

V13 - Classic play on all territories with no continents and bonuses as per v13 map
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V13 - no continents, but bonuses for each territories and cities held.
0
No votes

V13 - No continents, but bonuses 1 for each territory held and 2 for each capital held.
0
No votes


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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:38 am

Sorry peoples, i mucked the poll options up and so it is being conducted again.

Which Version do you prefer.

V 12
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby greenoaks on Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am

i like it greek style but regardless of whether i am in the majority or minority i would like to see consistency across your egypt maps.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Colour/tert Changes

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:42 am

greenoaks wrote:i like it greek style but regardless of whether i am in the majority or minority i would like to see consistency across your egypt maps.

That could probably happen for this three that i am doing now, but i won't be changing the Valley of the Kings to fit in with these. That map already has it's own death-defining.
As for gameplay, the gameplay in V13 in the poll is more consistent with the gameplay in Valley Of the Kings, even though there is continents of a sort in VOTK.
Thanks for that comment, i appreciate where you'r coming from and i am in the majority of thought about this being the case....i too would probably liek to see some consistency across these maps.
I have just updated the Upper Egypt map, and that will follow whatever the poll outcome from this map is.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby Splash_x on Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:43 pm

u can have the ones in the delta worth more than the desert ones?
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:03 pm

Splash_x wrote:u can have the ones in the delta worth more than the desert ones?

yes that would be another possibility...but for now we are voting on the type of map as per the options....your option would be considered if V13 gets the nod.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby cairnswk on Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:13 am

Polling still happening....but already a clear choice taking the lead....i like this poll! ;)
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby cairnswk on Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:12 pm

Keep those votes rolling in folks!!
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby Kaplowitz on Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:28 pm

Stay classic, you know youre not supposed to be doing non-classic maps now anyway! [-X :lol:
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby cairnswk on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:35 pm

Kaplowitz wrote:Stay classic, you know youre not supposed to be doing non-classic maps now anyway! [-X :lol:


Hehehehe!! Yeh! ;)

Clear winner here.
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby oaktown on Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:30 pm

for what it's worth I voted non-classic. I know, I know, I'm usually the classic gameplay proponent, but the tiny regions were troublesome so I liked that you were trying out another option.

Maybe a hybrid? Fewer, slightly larger regions, with additional bonuses for holding cities? This being a small map you could get away with, say, five regions if you had interim bonuses for holding a city while you conquered the rest of the region. ??
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] - Poll for choice of maps

Postby cairnswk on Wed Apr 16, 2008 1:56 pm

oaktown wrote:for what it's worth I voted non-classic. I know, I know, I'm usually the classic gameplay proponent, but the tiny regions were troublesome so I liked that you were trying out another option.

Maybe a hybrid? Fewer, slightly larger regions, with additional bonuses for holding cities? This being a small map you could get away with, say, five regions if you had interim bonuses for holding a city while you conquered the rest of the region. ??


Thanks oaktown.....so you want an extra small bonus for holding a capital. i understand about the five regions.
capital bonus +1 ? Is that sufficient.
with only 23 terts, in a 1v1 game, that's got to be an immense bonus factor.
how about +1 for every two capitals held.
that way there is not too much of a advantage given at play start if someone lands a capital.

The other thing i was thinking about for this quadtych, is that seeing VOTK has a large bonus structure, it would be good to start with:
Lower Egypt - straight continet bonuses
Upper egypt - continent plus capital bonuses
new kingdom egypt - bonuses based on gold mines
VOTk - already inplace.

What do you think?
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] Choice Made

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:45 pm

This is the version that won the Poll.
It will be changed somewhat as per some suggestions....eyes peeled!

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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] Choice Made

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:45 pm

This is the version that won the Poll.
It will be changed somewhat as per some suggestions....eyes peeled!

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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] Choice Made

Postby fireedud on Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:45 pm

I know that the version that's been voted for, but is there any need for the stars? Will there be a bonus for it or is it there to look pretty?
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V11 (p6) [I] Choice Made

Postby cairnswk on Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:28 pm

fireedud wrote:I know that the version that's been voted for, but is there any need for the stars? Will there be a bonus for it or is it there to look pretty?


No...they'll be changed to something more suitable :)
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Re: LOWER EGYPT V14 (p6) [I] New Map

Postby cairnswk on Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:21 pm

Version 14

Changes:
1. Changed the continents down to 5 instead of 6.
2. Reduced the number of territories down to the original 20 nomes of Ancient Egypt and given them their proper names.
3. re-named the continents after 5 major cities from Ancient times - Alexander doesn't figure here, not that it didn't exist, but IMU or Apis (i'm sure we've all heard of Apis) was the capital of Ament.
4. Basically i've re-done the map, so there is some colour changing going on and some still to finish to get back to version 12 colours which was what was voted for.
5. Cities are now represented by icons instead of stars
6. New mini map with new bonuses, +1 on each capital held.

Still to do:
A. Estuaries into the sea.
B. Fix up the colours.

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Re: LOWER EGYPT V14 (p9) [I] New map

Postby gimil on Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:57 pm

Which version and gameplay would you prefer?

Poll ended at Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:34 pm

V12 - Classic style continents with Greek names for the continents named after major cities and territories named after Ancient Egyptian nomes.
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V13 - No continents, but bonuses 1 for each territory held and 2 for each city held; territories named after Ancient Egyptian nomes.
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