Conquer Club

Haiti [Quenched]

Care to peruse completed maps? Take a stroll through the Atlas.

Moderator: Cartographers

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby edbeard on Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:09 am

Should continent bonuses be influenced by what players can do after holding a continent?

What I mean is, if you hold Artibonite, the calculator says you should get 3.5

However, if you take over Port-de-Paix, this number goes down closer to 3. That makes sense because you've cut down your defending territories in half.

This is something any player will do, so it probably doesn't make sense to round up the 3.5


Basically, what I'm saying is that I think all the continents are worth 3 armies (except for Centre and Sud obviously). Each half of the board is worth the same that way and it evens out starting points.

I think the only way to prove this is via testing. Unless someone comes in with great reasoning.
User avatar
Major edbeard
 
Posts: 2501
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:41 am
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby t-o-m on Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:17 am

yeh, i agree

im seeing things your way now, well not exactly 'coz i cant see the map!
some time i will fix my screen res. and see,
i think its a good map, too bad that hardly anyone is commenting..

--tom
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby RjBeals on Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:25 am

edbeard wrote:Image


Haven't read back through the thread, but here are my comment mr beard...

  • Overall I like this map a lot. It's simple with straightforward gameplay and not confusing graphics. Good Work
  • I've never been a fan of the "double line" bridge connectors, but that's just my personal taste.
  • I think your water route dots are too big, and they all need to be curved. That means the Pestel dotted line should have a curve to it as well, even if the quickest route is straight - it would just make it look better.
  • I'm not sure I like the non-playable map area (far right of board). The red mixed with greenish yellow looks bad to me. The bevel looks good, but maybe work on the color blending a bit.
  • Your legend is to plain. Is it possible to dress it up a little? Maybe also add a little Haiti touch to the map? Focus on the artistic influences and maybe deep spirituality of the land (not the extreme poverty). I would still love to see something to do with Zombies on this map. Ever see The Serpent and the Rainbow ???
  • I also think your map is too bright. Maybe the water is too deep/bright of a blue for me, could you darken it some?
Anyway Ed - nice job so far. I'll try to keep following this one.
Image
User avatar
Private RjBeals
 
Posts: 2506
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Location: South Carolina, USA
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
General Achievement (7) Map Contribution (6) General Contribution (2)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby t-o-m on Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:00 am

RjBeals wrote: I would still love to see something to do with Zombies on this map.
why?
I also think your map is too bright. Maybe the water is too deep/bright of a blue for me, could you darken it some?

too bright - seriously?
it may just be my monitor but if anything it should be brighter, and im not saying that it should be, i think its fine, maybe the colours need a little tone down but not much..

--tom
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby RjBeals on Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:24 am

Maybe not zombies... but darker.
maybe like this :wink:

Image
Image
User avatar
Private RjBeals
 
Posts: 2506
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Location: South Carolina, USA
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
General Achievement (7) Map Contribution (6) General Contribution (2)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby TaCktiX on Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:58 am

Wow, suddenly this map looks so much more appealing to me. Thanks for the darkening on it edbeard!
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class TaCktiX
 
Posts: 2392
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:24 pm
Location: Rapid City, SD
Medals: 37
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (3) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1)
Tournament Contribution (4) General Contribution (6)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:01 pm

I like the direction RJ's idea is going...right now I don't feel like there is anything that makes me want to play the map.


--Andy
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class AndyDufresne
 
Posts: 24917
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:22 pm
Location: A Banana Palm in Zihuatanejo
Medals: 20
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Freestyle Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) General Achievement (4) General Contribution (2)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby t-o-m on Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:13 pm

you've convinced me RJ!
yeah i dont see any specific draw to the game, but it still looks good amongst other things..

--tom
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby RjBeals on Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:15 pm

TaCktiX wrote:Wow, suddenly this map looks so much more appealing to me. Thanks for the darkening on it edbeard!


I didn't mean to steer this in a direction that ed didn't want to take it. I can sometimes explain myself better with a graphic rather than a paragraph. I just wanted to show what I meant for a darker overall look.

(edit) If ed wants graphic advise, suggestions or different ideas, he can pm me and I'll offer what I can.
Image
User avatar
Private RjBeals
 
Posts: 2506
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Location: South Carolina, USA
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
General Achievement (7) Map Contribution (6) General Contribution (2)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby TaCktiX on Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:14 pm

Oops, didn't notice the poster wasn't edbeard. My bad on the credit, RJ.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class TaCktiX
 
Posts: 2392
Joined: Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:24 pm
Location: Rapid City, SD
Medals: 37
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (3) Nuclear Spoils Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (2)
Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1)
Tournament Contribution (4) General Contribution (6)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby mibi on Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:01 pm

now it doesn't look like a dull and boring text book. :(
User avatar
Captain mibi
 
Posts: 3350
Joined: Thu Mar 01, 2007 8:19 pm
Location: The Great State of Vermont
Medals: 13
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5)
General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby edbeard on Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:34 pm

RjBeals wrote:I just wanted to show what I meant for a darker overall look.


I'll put together something like that this weekend. Also, if I do that then the legend has to change too.

It's a pity because I liked the textbook theme


mibi wrote:now it doesn't look like a dull and boring text book. :(

hey shut up :D
User avatar
Major edbeard
 
Posts: 2501
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:41 am
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby t-o-m on Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:13 pm

edbeard wrote:It's a pity because I liked the textbook theme

i did too, but theres only a few things that you can alter with a textbook theme without making it not a textbook theme - if you understand that!
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby thegeneralpublic on Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:42 pm

Not sure if it has been mentioned here already, but why isn't the Manneville / Bouli border a bridge like the others?
GENERATION 23:

The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
User avatar
Cadet thegeneralpublic
 
Posts: 126
Joined: Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:49 pm
Location: In front of my computer screen.
Medals: 2
Standard Achievement (2)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby edbeard on Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:53 pm

thegeneralpublic wrote:Not sure if it has been mentioned here already, but why isn't the Manneville / Bouli border a bridge like the others?


I believe they are two different rivers and are not connected in real life.

though it's hard to find evidence to prove it. I'll try to find a map to show this


edit: I guess it's not according to one map I found. But, this map is also missing the eastern part of that river which shows up on all other maps I've seen. Whatever. I'll fix that part so it's not as confusing.
User avatar
Major edbeard
 
Posts: 2501
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:41 am
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby t-o-m on Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:35 pm

so what have you got in store for your next update?
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v4 pg3

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:52 pm

t-o-m....some feedback if i may, and i didn't read the whole thread so please forgive if others have covered anything here...just giving my first perceptions....

1. for me...brown legend, dark blue sea, black font on sea and bright tert colours doesn't work design wise.
2. the previous suggestion with light blue sea and white legend worked better, although the white legend needed to change.
3. i like the overall appearance....it is clean and crisp,,,,even though some have suggested a little bright, but on a map like this bright can be toned down a tad and still retain a sub-tropical flavour.
4. just some attention to differentation between border thickneses and rivers need to be made clearer.
5. perhaps try something other than thick black dots for the sea routes....it just sticks o-ut too much for me

but otherwise....coming along good.
User avatar
Private cairnswk
 
Posts: 11508
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:32 pm
Medals: 53
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (3) General Achievement (2) Map Contribution (38) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby edbeard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:52 pm

uhhh cairnswk. tom is not the map maker. And, the image you are critiquing wasn't posted by myself (or tom even). thanks for posting though

Anyway, I decided to at least give a shot to the style RjBeals put up since it seemed to be something people liked. If it gets a decent liking, i'll follow through with it



Click image to enlarge.
image



v4
v3
v2
v1

What you need to know:

1. 28 territories
2. 6 continents

Changes in this update
1. ocean colour made darker
2. new legend
3. new sea routes
4. non-playable land made darker
5. changed nord bonus from 4 to 3
6. changed sud-est colour

To Do:

1. Gameplay / Bonus Discussion
2. make Manneville - Bouli border into a regular bridge.
3. redo Ile de Tortue - Limbe water route
4. thicker rivers to avoid impassable confusion
Last edited by edbeard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Major edbeard
 
Posts: 2501
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:41 am
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby RjBeals on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:08 pm

;)

I like this direction ed.
Image
User avatar
Private RjBeals
 
Posts: 2506
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Location: South Carolina, USA
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
General Achievement (7) Map Contribution (6) General Contribution (2)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby cairnswk on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:09 pm

edbeard wrote:uhhh cairnswk. tom is not the map maker. And, the image you are critiquing wasn't posted by myself (or tom even). thanks for posting though

Anyway, I decided to at least give a shot to the style RjBeals put up since it seemed to be something people liked. If it gets a decent liking, i'll follow through with it


OGM.... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Sorry edbeard. guess i just didn't research properly.
User avatar
Private cairnswk
 
Posts: 11508
Joined: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:32 pm
Medals: 53
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Fog of War Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (1) Ratings Achievement (3) General Achievement (2) Map Contribution (38) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby edbeard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:13 pm

I hate you forever cairnswk (thanks for the river comment. that's definitely something I need to do. it's on the list as you might have already noticed).


I should probably dull the colours a bit on the playable area. not too much but slightly.
User avatar
Major edbeard
 
Posts: 2501
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:41 am
Medals: 19
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (1) Quadruples Achievement (1) Teammate Achievement (1)
Cross-Map Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) Map Contribution (5) General Contribution (3)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby t-o-m on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:05 pm

cairnswk wrote:
edbeard wrote:uhhh cairnswk. tom is not the map maker. And, the image you are critiquing wasn't posted by myself (or tom even). thanks for posting though

Anyway, I decided to at least give a shot to the style RjBeals put up since it seemed to be something people liked. If it gets a decent liking, i'll follow through with it


OGM.... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
Sorry edbeard. guess i just didn't research properly.

lol - soz i havnt caught up with the thread yet - i have been banned - but then i bought premium so im not banned now, but lol me the map maker of this - i wish i could make this loll

its lookin good

well done me, the creator of this map :mrgreen:
lol im only joking, for those of you who are just reading this - edbeard made this map not me,

i like the new legend
User avatar
Major t-o-m
 
Posts: 2908
Joined: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Medals: 41
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (3) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1)
Assassin Achievement (2) Manual Troops Achievement (2) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (4) Speed Achievement (3)
Teammate Achievement (2) Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (4) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (1)
Clan Achievement (2) Map Contribution (1) Tournament Contribution (3) General Contribution (1)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby graulenst on Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:46 pm

I really like the new legend. It is only that the colors do not match those on the map.

Is this a problem? I am not really sure.

I really like how this map has come along so far.
User avatar
Private graulenst
 
Posts: 273
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:53 am
Location: Salem, MA
Medals: 13
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3)
Ratings Achievement (2) Tournament Achievement (3)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby gimil on Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:32 am

Image

congratz bud :)
What do you know about map making, bitch?

natty_dread wrote:I was wrong


Top Score:2403
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class gimil
 
Posts: 8600
Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:42 pm
Location: United Kingdom (Scotland)
Medals: 39
Standard Achievement (3) Doubles Achievement (2) Triples Achievement (2) Quadruples Achievement (2) Terminator Achievement (2)
Assassin Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (3) Fog of War Achievement (2) Speed Achievement (3) Teammate Achievement (2)
Cross-Map Achievement (2) Ratings Achievement (2) Map Contribution (7) Tournament Contribution (1) General Contribution (5)

Re: Haiti v5 pg5

Postby RjBeals on Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:43 am

t-o-m wrote:... i have been banned - but then i bought premium so im not banned now...


Did Wicked ban you for trash talking?
Image
User avatar
Private RjBeals
 
Posts: 2506
Joined: Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:17 pm
Location: South Carolina, USA
Medals: 21
Standard Achievement (2) Doubles Achievement (1) Terminator Achievement (1) Freestyle Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (1)
General Achievement (7) Map Contribution (6) General Contribution (2)

PreviousNext

Return to The Atlas

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users