Sydney Metro [Quenched]

[LLLUUUKKKEEE]

YEAH, its back.
Keep up the good work,
dont tell the shire people though.

[cairnswk]

YEAH, its back.
Keep up the good work,
dont tell the shire people though.

HEhehehehe! maybe i will re-work that yet.

[LLLUUUKKKEEE]

Why?
Nothing better then seeing them left out.

I do beleive its big enough. It would be to hard to include all of sydney, Im just glad you got where i live - Revesby.

[cairnswk]

Why?
Nothing better then seeing them left out.

I do beleive its big enough. It would be to hard to include all of sydney, Im just glad you got where i live - Revesby.

Oh sorry...i was thinking that i might re-work the shire "continent" areas, that's all.

Of course there is another larger map that can be done of the Blue Mtns etc to inclulde the Hawkesbury and Warragamba Dam, i think it would make great gameplay, but that is for another day.

This is Sydney metro.

[cairnswk]

BTW....if you've got some aussie mates, drag them in here to vote for support to get this going....we don't have as much interest as New York with the US population on this CC site.

[onbekende]

good thing I kept the bonus excel sheet from Sydney 2000

Bonusses:
Parramatta: 5 terr, 2 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 3 (2 is indeed better, keep it at 2)
Ryde: 5 terr, 3 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 4 (3 is indeed good enough)
Warringah: 5 terr, 2 def/att, 2 cont => Bonus of 3 (2 is more then fine)

now I want to make a note, if you hold the above 3 with 2 territories to defend (Auburn and Opera House) you get alot of army's!! (6 from 18 terr + 7 from bonusses => 12 army's!!!!)
Perhaps an extra attack route is needed from the south to the north? I have no sggestion thou.

Auburn: 5 terr, 4 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 4 (3 is well, as 4 would make the above continent set too powerfull)
Inner West: 4 terr, 2 def/att, 2 cont => Bonus of 3 (Perhaps a bonus of 2 is better now, only 2 to defence and easely enough taken continent if you got already 2 terr)
Sydney City: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 7 cont => Bonus of 4 (Make it 3, unless something is done about the upper continent strip)
Waverly: 3 terr, 2 def/att, 2 cont => Bonus of 2 (agreed!)
Bankstown: 4 terr, 4 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 4 (I tend to agree with 4)
Cantebury: 6 terr, 5 def/att, 6 cont => Bonus of 6 (5 is good)
Marrickville: 3 terr, 3 def/att, 4 cont => Bonus of 3 (agreed)
Randwick: 5 terr, 3 def/att, 4 cont => Bonus of 4 (3 is good enough)
Rockdale: 4 terr, 3 def/att, 4 cont => Bonus of 4 (3 is more then enough)
Hurstville: 4 terr, 4 def/att, 3 cont => Bonus of 4 (Make it 3, continent will be taken together with Bankstown to turtle)

My bonus analysis


Continents:
Parramatta:
- Move the army shade of Dundas Vallay a bit to the north

Ryde:
- You can complete the name of "Nth Sydney" to North Sydney I believe

Warringah:
- Think about merging Taronga Zoo and Balmoral, isn't needed but will help viewability and gameplay I believe

Auburn:
- Move "Auburn" to the right

Inner West:
- I believe switching the name and amry shade ot Drummoyne will add to the viewability of the map
- Concord seems to be messed up on he first letter

Sydney City:
- Think agout removing the traffic lights from the City <=> Opera House crossing, same goes for the other inner-City crossing

Waverly:
- Drop both army shade and name of Vaucluse to the south a bit

Bankstown:
No comments

Cantebury:
No comments

Marrickville:
- space out the army shande and name of Tempe a bit

Randwick:
No comments

Rockdale:
- whats the full name of "KS It'l Airport" and perhaps drop the International?

Hurstville:
No comments




General comments:
Smoothen out the line around the Bonusses place and the map, specifically at the Auburn <=> Parramatta crossing and at the "Ryde" bonus legend
What is that white at the back of the bonus legend?
Make the Pedestrian Crossing with normal gaps (thus showing the color of the below texture) instead of the color of Randwick continent
Spce te ferry line between Opera House <=> Manly a bit to the north when it passes Vaucluse, people might thing its attackable



my concerns for now

[cairnswk]

Thanks onbekende....this is current version 3...i'll attend to your changes later thanks.

[onbekende]

you asked for themm he

[gimil]

See ya

[Sir. Ricco]

I like it so far the colors blend very well. Not so blinding as some maps. I like how you put a lot of defensive points in.

[cairnswk]

See ya

Thanks Gimil. Can you pull the poll please when you have a mo. Thanks

[cairnswk]

I like it so far the colors blend very well. Not so blinding as some maps. I like how you put a lot of defensive points in.

Thanks Sir Ricco...yeh, i,think the colours are good also. Vibrant reflecting a large metro city, but not too in your face. Glad you like so far.

[gimil]

Interested in a classic style map for Sydney in Australia?

Poll ended at Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:43 am

Yes
11
39%

Yes - With some graphic/gameplay touch-ups
14
50%

No
3
10%

Other - please explain in the thread
0
No votes


Total votes : 28

[cairnswk]

^^^^^ Thanks Gimil ^^^^

[Sir. Ricco]

Ok, here some things I just like to bring up

1. Do you really need those Stop lights? They kind of crowd the map

2. I like how you made a lot of defensives points in the map.

3. The ferry routes are just a little confusing. I get them, but I can see them becoming a problem to the...*Amen* noobs.

4. Inner West I think should be knocked down to 2 bonuses. With only two ways to get into it, it would be pretty easies to defend.

[RjBeals]

Fantastic work cairnswk. I love the map. Another beauty. And no gimmicks !!

Couple of picky things -

1) The color bars where the bonus region names are along the left side - could you extend the right side of those bars so they fall underneath the bolder legend border? I also see something between those color bars bleeding through - not sure what it is though.

2) The water routes are a little confusing. since they are so close and all lead to opera house, they get jumbled up around there. What about lines instead of dots - like beveled/flowing lines?

3) I like the traffic lights. Keep them. But I think the road crossings could be a little better than current. Maybe make them slanted instead of horizontal?

4) Your territory font is perfect. What did you use anyway? I love it. Perfect size, perfect amount of drop shadow - well done.

5) Colors are perfect as well.

[gimil]

I agree with everything RJ says except I think the terr names could use the slightest bit of transparency.

Also the Olympic Park is missing a drop shadow.

[bryguy]

u cant see the upper left corner of the 'H' in opera house cause the stop sign is on it, could u modify that so that u can?

some peoplemight thing that since the army circle is on the other side of a dotted line from the title of KS It'l Airport that it is part of another territory (just felt like pointing that out, it would probably not be that big a problem)

other than that the map looks great except for all the feiry lines converging on one spot (gets a little confusing)

keep up the good work cairns

[FreeMan10]

Hey Cairns-

Looking pretty spiffy!

A couple of graphical notes-

1) the Balmoral/Taronga Zoo border runs over the 2nd A in Taronga.

2) I agree with RjB's note about the color bars for the legend - there seems to be uneven spacing between them, and some sort of white vertical stripe shows through on the right side of the bars.

3) Ryde's legend bar doesn't seem to merge well with the brown border.

4) the legend border at Parramatta overruns the text for Auburn

5) it seems odd that the legend has a brown border around the outside of it, while the rest of the actual map doesn't have any border at all. I'd say keep the brown line as a separator, but remove it from the outside border. That'll give you a few more pixels for the actual map.

6) It might make more sense to hyphenate Cen-tenn-i-al than Cent-enn-ial. Then again, that's coming from one who doesn't speak the Queen's English, so opinions may differ...

7) Maybe take the extra few pixels from #5 and stretch the Opera House/Centennial Park area to give yourself a smidge of breathing room there.

FreeMan

[greenoaks]

would Centen-nial fit ?

[RjBeals]

5) it seems odd that the legend has a brown border around the outside of it, while the rest of the actual map doesn't have any border at all. I'd say keep the brown line as a separator, but remove it from the outside border. That'll give you a few more pixels for the actual map.

Disagree. I like the way the entire legend area has the brown border. My vote is to keep it.

[cairnswk]

Ok, here some things I just like to bring up

1. Do you really need those Stop lights? They kind of crowd the map

Yes. I think they are needed to highlight the pedestrian xings

3. The ferry routes are just a little confusing. I get them, but I can see them becoming a problem to the...*Amen* noobs.

That should be attended to in V15 below

4. Inner West I think should be knocked down to 2 bonuses. With only two ways to get into it, it would be pretty easies to defend.

i haven't looked at that yet, but please remind me later....if i forget. Thanks for your comments.

1) The color bars where the bonus region names are along the left side - could you extend the right side of those bars so they fall underneath the bolder legend border? I also see something between those color bars bleeding through - not sure what it is though.

2) The water routes are a little confusing. since they are so close and all lead to opera house, they get jumbled up around there. What about lines instead of dots - like beveled/flowing lines?

3) I like the traffic lights. Keep them. But I think the road crossings could be a little better than current. Maybe make them slanted instead of horizontal?

4) Your territory font is perfect. What did you use anyway? I love it. Perfect size, perfect amount of drop shadow - well done.

5) Colors are perfect as well.

Thanks Rj...most of that attended to below in V15

I agree with everything RJ says except I think the terr names could use the slightest bit of transparency.

Also the Olympic Park is missing a drop shadow.

Fixed in V15 below, thanks Gimil

u cant see the upper left corner of the 'H' in opera house cause the stop sign is on it, could u modify that so that u can?

some peoplemight thing that since the army circle is on the other side of a dotted line from the title of KS It'l Airport that it is part of another territory (just felt like pointing that out, it would probably not be that big a problem)

other than that the map looks great except for all the feiry lines converging on one spot (gets a little confusing)

keep up the good work cairns

All should be fixed in V15 below, thanks Bryguy

Hey Cairns-

Looking pretty spiffy!

A couple of graphical notes-

1) the Balmoral/Taronga Zoo border runs over the 2nd A in Taronga.

2) I agree with RjB's note about the color bars for the legend - there seems to be uneven spacing between them, and some sort of white vertical stripe shows through on the right side of the bars.

3) Ryde's legend bar doesn't seem to merge well with the brown border.

4) the legend border at Parramatta overruns the text for Auburn

5) it seems odd that the legend has a brown border around the outside of it, while the rest of the actual map doesn't have any border at all. I'd say keep the brown line as a separator, but remove it from the outside border. That'll give you a few more pixels for the actual map.

6) It might make more sense to hyphenate Cen-tenn-i-al than Cent-enn-ial. Then again, that's coming from one who doesn't speak the Queen's English, so opinions may differ...

7) Maybe take the extra few pixels from #5 and stretch the Opera House/Centennial Park area to give yourself a smidge of breathing room there.

FreeMan

All that should be fixed in V15 below, thanks FreeMan

would Centen-nial fit ?

Done greenoaks...thanks

Disagree. I like the way the entire legend area has the brown border. My vote is to keep it.

Me too!

V15 below.
Changes:
1. Tert names plaques in legend fixed.
2. Impassable/Passables moved to top of map above bonuses
3. Ferry lines removed and attack routes notated in the legend at bottom
4. KS I'tnl Airport changed placed wioth army shadow
5. Woollarha changed name to Kings Cross
6. Centennial Park re-hyphenated.
7. Other small tidy-ups

Click image to enlarge.

[RjBeals]

Love the update, but I'm not so sure I'm down with totally removing the ferry attack routes. Sure you explain it there, but I think there needs to be a path to follow as well.

[oaktown]

Love the update, but I'm not so sure I'm down with totally removing the ferry attack routes. Sure you explain it there, but I think there needs to be a path to follow as well.

I can live with removing the ferry routes, but it seems that the territories that can attack/be attacked via a ferry route need some type of symbol to indicate this to players. I can just see it now...

2008-05-10 09:14:43 - oaktown: what the... how'd you do that?
2008-05-10 09:12:17 - oaktown: Crap, forgot the damn ferry routes. Cairnswk!! :p

[cairnswk]

Love the update, but I'm not so sure I'm down with totally removing the ferry attack routes. Sure you explain it there, but I think there needs to be a path to follow as well.

I can live with removing the ferry routes, but it seems that the territories that can attack/be attacked via a ferry route need some type of symbol to indicate this to players. I can just see it now...

2008-05-10 09:14:43 - oaktown: what the... how'd you do that?
2008-05-10 09:12:17 - oaktown: Crap, forgot the damn ferry routes. Cairnswk!! :p

Ferry routes are back in....only....which version, straight lines or dots or lines with arrowheads.....

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