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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby Incandenza on Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:05 am

I see no earthly reason why this shouldn't be in final forge, thus freeing up cairns' time so he can deliver on the promised gallipoli map!
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:19 am

Incandenza wrote:I see no earthly reason why this shouldn't be in final forge, thus freeing up cairns' time so he can deliver on the promised gallipoli map!


Oh dear, Gallipoli is a way off yet.....Anzac Day 2009 (25 April)....i might start it in Dec 08
I would like to get Halloween Hollows done first

I am still working on the large xml centering for this one, and would like feedback on the proposition for increasing the larger continents on this map as put forward by iancanton, please :)
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby iancanton on Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:21 am

cairnswk wrote:
iancanton wrote:i'm thinking that only an additional 2 bonus for the palaces and eunuchs (making +10 and +9 respectively) will make anyone bother with trying to hold them, otherwise it will be all about a race for the small bonuses.

OK, i understand that...what about the Great Halls...should they be bumped up also? and if so by how much?

the cairnswk bonus spreadsheet gives +10.17 for palaces and +10.5 for great halls, suggesting that the palaces and great halls rank equally at +10. the two areas have very similar attributes, so i'd give equal bonuses to them.

the spreadsheet gives +10.42 for the outer courts. compared with the palaces and great halls, +9 is more appropriate since, like the eunuchs, it is a traditional classic-type continent where all constituent territories are directly connected. +10 also works if u want the outer courts to be worth more than the eunuchs.

another slightly overvalued bonus is that for the towers. the spreadsheet gives +4.08, but +3 is maybe more suitable because only the gates can attack this bonus.

some more names: song jiaoren is sung chiao-jen and i think prince juan is prince tuan, one of the (non-spanish) conservatives who actively supported the boxers.

http://www.guajara.com/wiki/en/wikipedi ... o_jen.html
http://www.thecorner.org/hist/china/boxer.htm

nanxun hall is, i believe, nanhsün hall. this one is rather obscure and i've simply converted from modern pinyin to traditional wade-giles using the table below.

http://library.ust.hk/guides/opac/conve ... ables.html

any chance of emps tz'u-hsi becoming emp dwr tz'u-hsi, if space allows? in historical texts, she was often referred to by her title, empress dowager, rather than her personal name, but not empress.

although qing is supposed to be ch'ing, qing looks far better when the name is written vertically, since there's no apostrophe. i wonder whether the ming and qing font in the legend can be used on the map itself: i especially like the M and the Q.

are the inland missions actually the china inland mission (singular)?

http://www.omf.org/omf/uk/about_omf/omf_cim_history

in the legend, can u differentiate more clearly the colours of the symbols for the 8 nations alliance (which ought to be 8 nation alliance – any room to write it as 8 nation allnce?) and the boxers?

ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:07 pm

iancanton wrote:the cairnswk bonus spreadsheet gives +10.17 for palaces and +10.5 for great halls, suggesting that the palaces and great halls rank equally at +10. the two areas have very similar attributes, so i'd give equal bonuses to them.
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:09 pm

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<map>
  <title>The Forbidden City</title>
  <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
  <smallheight>600</smallheight>
  <largewidth>800</largewidth>
  <largeheight>762</largeheight>
  <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<continent>
  <name>8 Nations Alliance</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Russia</territory>
   <territory>A-H Empire</territory>
   <territory>Germany</territory>
   <territory>U.S.A.</territory>
   <territory>Japan</territory>
   <territory>Italy</territory>
   <territory>France</territory>
   <territory>Britain</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Kuomintang</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Sung Chiao-jen</territory>
   <territory>Sun Yat-sen</territory>
   <territory>KMT Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Foreigners</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Inland Missions</territory>
   <territory>Societies</territory>
   <territory>Christians</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>The Boxers</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Prince Tuan</territory>
   <territory>Yuan Shih-kai</territory>
   <territory>Li Yuanhung</territory>
   <territory>Wu Chow</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Li Rebels</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Peasants</territory>
   <territory>Li Tzu-ch'eng</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Gates</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shenwu Men West</territory>
   <territory>Shenwu Men East</territory>
   <territory>Hsi-Hua Men North</territory>
   <territory>Hsi-Hua Men South</territory>
   <territory>Tung-Hua Men North</territory>
   <territory>Tung-Hua Men South</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men West</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men East</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Towers</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>NW Tower</territory>
   <territory>NE Tower</territory>
   <territory>SW Tower</territory>
   <territory>SE Tower</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Ming</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Cheng-tsu</territory>
   <territory>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Qing</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Pu Yi</territory>
   <territory>Emps. T'zu-Hsi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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  <name>Gardens</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Imperial Garden</territory>
   <territory>Kung Ming Garden</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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  <name>Inner Court</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
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   <territory>E Inner Court</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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  <name>Palaces</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Lung Tsi Pavillion</territory>
   <territory>Kindness Palace</territory>
   <territory>Exuberance Palace</territory>
   <territory>Eternal Spring Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperess's Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Concubines' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Ancestors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Tranquil Longevity Palace</territory>
   <territory>Crown Princes' Palace</territory>
   </components>
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  <name>Priests</name>
  <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shamon Priests</territory>
   <territory>Taoist Priests</territory>
   </components>
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<continent>
  <name>Eunuchs</name>
  <bonus>7</bonus>
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   <territory>Imp Kitchen</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Taster</territory>
   <territory>Fu</territory>
   <territory>Chi</territory>
   <territory>Cheng</territory>
   <territory>Yo</territory>
   <territory>Cai</territory>
   <territory>Li</territory>
   <territory>Tsi</territory>
   <territory>Pao</territory>
   </components>
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  <name>Outer Courts</name>
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   <territory>Outer Court West</territory>
   <territory>Sea of Flagstones</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court SW</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court East</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court NE</territory>
   <territory>Five Bridges Court</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court SE</territory>
   </components>
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<continent>
  <name>Great Halls</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Hall Grand Council</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Preserving Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Central Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Supreme Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Archery Hall</territory>
   <territory>Hall Imperial Household</territory>
   <territory>Military Eminance Hall</territory>
   <territory>Literary Glory Hall</territory>
   <territory>Nanhsün Hall</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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  <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
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   </borders>
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   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
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   </borders>
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   </borders>
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   <border>Japan</border>
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  <name>Tung-Hua Men South</name>
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   <border>Tung-Hua Men North</border>
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   <border>Wu Chow</border>
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  <name>Wu Men</name>
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   <border>Wu Men West</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-Hsi</border>
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   </borders>
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  <name>Wu Men East</name>
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   <border>Wu Men</border>
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  <name>Wu Men West</name>
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   <border>Wu Men</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>SW Tower</border>
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   </borders>
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  <name>SW Tower</name>
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  <name>SE Tower</name>
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</territory>

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  <name>Emp. Cheng-tsu</name>
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   <border>Wu Men</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
   <border>Hall of Supreme Harmony</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   <border>Emperess's Palace</border>
   <border>Imperial Garden</border>
   <border>Cheng</border>
   <border>Yo</border>
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   <border>Shenwu Men East</border>
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<territory>
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   <border>Wu Men</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   <border>Yo</border>
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   <border>Emperess's Palace</border>
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   <border>Emps. T'zu-Hsi</border>
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   <border>Emperors' Palace</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   </borders>
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</territory>

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   </borders>
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<!-- End Eunuchs -->

<!-- Start Outer Courts -->

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   <border>Imp Kitchen</border>
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  <name>Hall of Preserving Harmony</name>
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   <border>E Inner Court</border>
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   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
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   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-Hsi</border>
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         <smally>317</smally>
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   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
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  <name>Literary Glory Hall</name>
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         <smally>482</smally>
         <largex>382</largex>
         <largey>604</largey>
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</map>
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby iancanton on Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:23 am

a couple of historical notes: li yuan-hung did serve as a qing general, but i can find only references to him becoming prime minister during the republican period and nothing to do with the boxer rebellion; wu chow appears to be a fictional character who appears only in the movie shanghai knights and is not part of folk legend. i don't know of any famous boxers, so how about replacing these two by conservatives and fists of harmony?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_ ... _Rebellion

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is it difficult to make the legend pillars a bit thinner, so the lanterns can be a bit wider to accommodate more of the text?

xml still says 8 nations alliance instead of 8 nation alliance.

ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:01 am

iancanton wrote:a couple of historical notes: li yuan-hung did serve as a qing general, but i can find only references to him becoming prime minister during the republican period and nothing to do with the boxer rebellion; wu chow appears to be a fictional character who appears only in the movie shanghai knights and is not part of folk legend. i don't know of any famous boxers, so how about replacing these two by conservatives and fists of harmony?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_was_the_ ... _Rebellion

I'll look into this

EDIT\\ try this

Li Hongzhang played a major role in ending the Boxer Rebellion. In 1901, he was the principal Chinese negotiator with the foreign powers who had captured Beijing, and, on September 7, 1901, he signed the treaty (Boxer Protocol) ending the Boxer crisis, obtaining the departure of the foreign armies at the price of huge indemnities for China.

here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhang

in my current reading, he is referred to as Li Hung-chang in "The Last Empress"


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And change this

is it difficult to make the legend pillars a bit thinner, so the lanterns can be a bit wider to accommodate more of the text?

but not this, the map has already been split into small and large and after it being in this present format for so long, i am not going to spend any more time on graphics especially such a large change. Besides make those pillars thinner and things will start to look disproportionate.

xml still says 8 nations alliance instead of 8 nation alliance.

ian. :)

will fix, thanks Ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby gho on Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:09 am

iancanton wrote: i wonder whether the ming and qing font in the legend can be used on the map itself: i especially like the M and the Q.

I like this suggestion, this font would look better, the current one doesn't do anything for the chinese look.
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:22 am

gho wrote:
iancanton wrote: i wonder whether the ming and qing font in the legend can be used on the map itself: i especially like the M and the Q.

I like this suggestion, this font would look better, the current one doesn't do anything for the chinese look.

That has already been changed gho. Both the legend font and vertical continent font are the same.
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby iancanton on Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:24 pm

i suppose li hung-chang is somewhat better than wu chow. like li yuan-hung, however, it seems that he had little or nothing to do with leading or sponsoring the boxers. both can just about fit if the boxers is renamed as boxer rebellion (or qing officers). on the other hand, all of the four people in the boxers continent were part of the establishment and, with the possible exception of yuan shih-kai, not outsiders, so the outsiders would have to be called something else: outside city, perhaps?

cairnswk wrote:
gho wrote:
iancanton wrote: i wonder whether the ming and qing font in the legend can be used on the map itself: i especially like the M and the Q.

I like this suggestion, this font would look better, the current one doesn't do anything for the chinese look.

That has already been changed gho. Both the legend font and vertical continent font are the same.

it was the font originally in the legend that i liked, not the one on the map!

do the peasants, imperial army, hsi-hua men north and hsi-hua men south meet at a four-way? the position of the border indicator gives rise to questions and i'd prefer to see it moved up or down slightly to avoid what looks like a four-way.

hall of imperial household is missing the of.

ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:37 am

iancanton wrote:i suppose li hung-chang is somewhat better than wu chow. like li yuan-hung, however, it seems that he had little or nothing to do with leading or sponsoring the boxers. both can just about fit if the boxers is renamed as boxer rebellion (or qing officers). on the other hand, all of the four people in the boxers continent were part of the establishment and, with the possible exception of yuan shih-kai, not outsiders, so the outsiders would have to be called something else: outside city, perhaps?


http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1900fei-boxers.html
Fei Ch'i-hao was a Chinese Christian. Here he recounts the activities of the millenialist "Boxers" in the Boxer Rebellion of 1900.

IV

THE GATHERING OF THE STORM

The people of Shansi are naturally timid and gentle, not given to making disturbances, being the most peaceable people in China. So our Shansi Christians were hopeful for themselves, even when the reports from the coast grew more alarming. But there was one thing which caused us deep apprehension, and that was the fact that the wicked, cruel YU Hsien, the hater of foreigners, was the newly appointed Governor of Shansi. He had previously promoted the Boxer movement in Shantung, and had persuaded the Empress Dowager that the Boxers had supernatural powers and were true patriots.


Ian, would you be happy if we placed Yü Hsein in there instead of Wu Chow?

cairnswk wrote:it was the font originally in the legend that i liked, not the one on the map!
Sorry i misunderstood that. but i prefer the way it is now.

do the peasants, imperial army, hsi-hua men north and hsi-hua men south meet at a four-way? the position of the border indicator gives rise to questions and i'd prefer to see it moved up or down slightly to avoid what looks like a four-way.

well yes that is a four-way however i am aware of such things, and there is a small wall there to stop that being taken as a 4 way,. but i will enlarge it seeing you didn't see it.

hall of imperial household is missing the of.

That is deliberate to keep some consistency with the other terts that cannot filt Hall of....with the exception of course of the three middle halls.
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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby iancanton on Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:45 am

cairnswk wrote:Ian, would you be happy if we placed Yü Hsein in there instead of Wu Chow?

yes! yü hsien is a nice find.

cairnswk wrote:
iancanton wrote:do the peasants, imperial army, hsi-hua men north and hsi-hua men south meet at a four-way? the position of the border indicator gives rise to questions and i'd prefer to see it moved up or down slightly to avoid what looks like a four-way.

well yes that is a four-way however i am aware of such things, and there is a small wall there to stop that being taken as a 4 way,. but i will enlarge it seeing you didn't see it.

whether the change improves things much will depend on whether people are likely to interpret the border indicators as being connectors to everything that they touch.

cairnswk wrote:
iancanton wrote:hall of imperial household is missing the of.

That is deliberate to keep some consistency with the other terts that cannot filt Hall of....with the exception of course of the three middle halls.

it isn't consistent: the other territories where u've omitted of have had hall moved from the start to the end of the name. for reasons of space, u can't do the same easily for hall of imperial household but, disregarding the context, hall imperial household makes it sound like the territory represents the imperial household whose family name is hall. why not treat it in the same way as the three halls of harmony?

can we have a lower-case h for tz'u-hsi, so that it's written in the same way as the other people's names?

on the large map, do u have room to make the military eminence hall ever-so-slightly wider, to fit the y inside the right-hand border?

the orange connector for sun yat-sen looks wider than that for kmt army.

ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V29(P24) Small & Large & XML

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:04 pm

              Final Forge

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Re: Forbidden City V28 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby cairnswk on Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:19 pm

iancanton wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
iancanton wrote:hall of imperial household is missing the of.

That is deliberate to keep some consistency with the other terts that cannot filt Hall of....with the exception of course of the three middle halls.

it isn't consistent: the other territories where u've omitted of have had hall moved from the start to the end of the name. for reasons of space, u can't do the same easily for hall of imperial household but, disregarding the context, hall imperial household makes it sound like the territory represents the imperial household whose family name is hall. why not treat it in the same way as the three halls of harmony?

can we have a lower-case h for tz'u-hsi, so that it's written in the same way as the other people's names?

on the large map, do u have room to make the military eminence hall ever-so-slightly wider, to fit the y inside the right-hand border?

the orange connector for sun yat-sen looks wider than that for kmt army.

ian. :)

All fixed below in Version 30 Ian. Is that all now. I hope so!

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http://h1.ripway.com/cairnswk/forbidden_city.xml

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<map>
  <title>The Forbidden City</title>
  <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
  <smallheight>600</smallheight>
  <largewidth>800</largewidth>
  <largeheight>762</largeheight>
  <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<continent>
  <name>8 Nations Alliance</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Russia</territory>
   <territory>A-H Empire</territory>
   <territory>Germany</territory>
   <territory>U.S.A.</territory>
   <territory>Japan</territory>
   <territory>Italy</territory>
   <territory>France</territory>
   <territory>Britain</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Kuomintang</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Sung Chiao-jen</territory>
   <territory>Sun Yat-sen</territory>
   <territory>KMT Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Foreigners</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Inland Missions</territory>
   <territory>Societies</territory>
   <territory>Christians</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>The Boxers</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Prince Tuan</territory>
   <territory>Yuan Shih-kai</territory>
   <territory>Li Yuanhung</territory>
   <territory>Yü Hsein</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Li Rebels</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Peasants</territory>
   <territory>Li Tzu-ch'eng</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Gates</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shenwu Men West</territory>
   <territory>Shenwu Men East</territory>
   <territory>Hsi-Hua Men North</territory>
   <territory>Hsi-Hua Men South</territory>
   <territory>Tung-Hua Men North</territory>
   <territory>Tung-Hua Men South</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men West</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men East</territory>
   <territory>Wu Men</territory>
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  <name>Towers</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>NW Tower</territory>
   <territory>NE Tower</territory>
   <territory>SW Tower</territory>
   <territory>SE Tower</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Ming</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Cheng-tsu</territory>
   <territory>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Qing</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Pu Yi</territory>
   <territory>Emps. T'zu-hsi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Gardens</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Imperial Garden</territory>
   <territory>Kung Ming Garden</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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  <name>Inner Court</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>W Inner Court</territory>
   <territory>E Inner Court</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Palaces</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Lung Tsi Pavillion</territory>
   <territory>Kindness Palace</territory>
   <territory>Exuberance Palace</territory>
   <territory>Eternal Spring Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperess's Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Concubines' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Ancestors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Tranquil Longevity Palace</territory>
   <territory>Crown Princes' Palace</territory>
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</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Priests</name>
  <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shamon Priests</territory>
   <territory>Taoist Priests</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Eunuchs</name>
  <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Imp Kitchen</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Taster</territory>
   <territory>Fu</territory>
   <territory>Chi</territory>
   <territory>Cheng</territory>
   <territory>Yo</territory>
   <territory>Cai</territory>
   <territory>Li</territory>
   <territory>Tsi</territory>
   <territory>Pao</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Outer Courts</name>
  <bonus>9</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Outer Court NW</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court West</territory>
   <territory>Sea of Flagstones</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court SW</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court East</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court NE</territory>
   <territory>Five Bridges Court</territory>
   <territory>Outer Court SE</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Great Halls</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Hall Grand Council</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Preserving Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Central Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Supreme Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Archery Hall</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Imperial Household</territory>
   <territory>Military Eminance Hall</territory>
   <territory>Literary Glory Hall</territory>
   <territory>Nanhsün Hall</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

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<territory>
  <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>176</smallx>
         <smally>40</smally>
         <largex>225</largex>
         <largey>45</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>A-H Empire</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>41</smally>
         <largex>312</largex>
         <largey>45</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
   <border>France</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>532</smallx>
         <smally>41</smally>
         <largex>674</largex>
         <largey>45</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>U.S.A.</name>
   <borders>
   <border>France</border>
   <border>Britain</border>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>602</smallx>
         <smally>41</smally>
         <largex>762</largex>
         <largey>45</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Japan</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Italy</border>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>235</smallx>
         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>299</largex>
         <largey>98</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Japan</border>
   <border>A-H Empire</border>
   <border>France</border>
   <border>Shenwu Men West</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>381</largex>
         <largey>99</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>France</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>Germany</border>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   <border>Shenwu Men East</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>590</largex>
         <largey>102</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Britain</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Prince Tuan</border>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>533</smallx>
         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>674</largex>
         <largey>99</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End 8 Nations Alliance -->

<!-- Start Kuomintang -->

<territory>
  <name>Sung Chiao-jen</name>
   <borders>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>161</smallx>
         <smally>113</smally>
         <largex>208</largex>
         <largey>138</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Sun Yat-sen</name>
   <borders>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Japan</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>161</smallx>
         <smally>180</smally>
         <largex>204</largex>
         <largey>221</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>KMT Army</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Sung Chiao-jen</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   <border>Li Tzu-ch'eng</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>162</smallx>
         <smally>252</smally>
         <largex>206</largex>
         <largey>306</largey>
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</territory>

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<!-- Start Foreigners -->

<territory>
  <name>Inland Missions</name>
   <borders>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   <border>Prince Tuan</border>
   <border>Societies</border>
   <border>Christians</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>597</smallx>
         <smally>90</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>107</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Societies</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>159</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>195</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Christians</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   <border>Prince Tuan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>598</smallx>
         <smally>226</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>281</largey>
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</territory>

<!-- End Foreigners -->

<!-- Start Boxers -->

<territory>
  <name>Prince Tuan</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Britain</border>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   <border>Tung-Hua Men North</border>
   <border>Yuan Shih-kai</border>
   <border>Christians</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>304</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>378</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Yuan Shih-kai</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Prince Tuan</border>
   <border>Li Yuanhung</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>597</smallx>
         <smally>369</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>464</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Li Yuanhung</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Yuan Shih-kai</border>
   <border>Yü Hsein</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>431</smally>
         <largex>759</largex>
         <largey>543</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Yü Hsein</name>
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   <border>Wu Men East</border>
   <border>Li Yuanhung</border>
   <border>Tung-Hua Men South</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-hsi</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>494</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>621</largey>
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</territory>

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  <name>Peasants</name>
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   <border>Hsi-Hua Men North</border>
   <border>Li Tzu-ch'eng</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
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         <smally>318</smally>
         <largex>207</largex>
         <largey>397</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Li Tzu-ch'eng</name>
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   <border>Peasants</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>390</smally>
         <largex>206</largex>
         <largey>488</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Imperial Army</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Hsi-Hua Men South</border>
   <border>Wu Men West</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>468</smally>
         <largex>207</largex>
         <largey>587</largey>
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</territory>

<!-- End Peasants -->

<!-- Start Gates -->

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  <name>Shenwu Men West</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Shenwu Men East</border>
   <border>Cheng</border>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-hsi</border>
   <border>NW Tower</border>
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         <smally>111</smally>
         <largex>454</largex>
         <largey>136</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
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   <border>Shenwu Men West</border>
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   <border>France</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-hsi</border>
   <border>NE Tower</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>111</smally>
         <largex>499</largex>
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</territory>

<territory>
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   <border>NW Tower</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>401</smally>
         <largex>265</largex>
         <largey>502</largey>
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<territory>
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   <border>SW Tower</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>427</smally>
         <largex>266</largex>
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   <border>NE Tower</border>
   <border>Prince Tuan</border>
   </borders>
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   <border>SE Tower</border>
   <border>Yü Hsein</border>
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         <smally>435</smally>
         <largex>689</largex>
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<territory>
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   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-hsi</border>
   <border>Wu Men East</border>
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         <smally>497</smally>
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<territory>
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   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Yü Hsein</border>
   <border>SE Tower</border>
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         <smally>504</smally>
         <largex>515</largex>
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   <border>Wu Men</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>SW Tower</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>504</smally>
         <largex>443</largex>
         <largey>634</largey>
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</territory>

<!-- End Gates -->

<!-- Start Towers -->

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   <borders>
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   <border>Hsi-Hua Men North</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>118</smally>
         <largex>275</largex>
         <largey>143</largey>
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<territory>
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   <border>Tung-Hua Men North</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>118</smally>
         <largex>688</largex>
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<territory>
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         <smally>489</smally>
         <largex>275</largex>
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<territory>
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   <border>Tung-Hua Men South</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>489</smally>
         <largex>688</largex>
         <largey>614</largey>
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</territory>

<!-- End Towers -->

<!-- Start Ming -->

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   <border>Wu Men</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
   <border>Hall of Supreme Harmony</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
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   <border>Emperess's Palace</border>
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         <smally>576</smally>
         <largex>241</largex>
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</territory>

<territory>
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   <border>Imperial Army</border>
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   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
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   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
   <border>Emperors' Palace</border>
   <border>Emperess's Palace</border>
   <border>Imperial Garden</border>
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   <border>Shenwu Men East</border>
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         <smally>557</smally>
         <largex>413</largex>
         <largey>701</largey>
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<neutral>3</neutral>
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<!-- End Ming -->

<!-- Start Qing -->

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   <borders>
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<territory>
  <name>Hall of Supreme Harmony</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Hall of Central Harmony</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. Ch'ung-chen</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. T'zu-hsi</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>376</smallx>
         <smally>352</smally>
         <largex>477</largex>
         <largey>439</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Archery Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Outer Court East</border>
   <border>Hall of Central Harmony</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>440</smallx>
         <smally>314</smally>
         <largex>559</largex>
         <largey>389</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Literary Glory Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Outer Court East</border>
   <border>Outer Court NE</border>
   <border>Outer Court SE</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>472</smallx>
         <smally>427</smally>
         <largex>600</largex>
         <largey>538</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Nanhsün Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Outer Court SW</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>301</smallx>
         <smally>482</smally>
         <largex>382</largex>
         <largey>604</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of Great Halls -->

</map>
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Re: Forbidden City [I,Gp,Gr] - V28 (P22) Discuss Gameplay pls!

Postby iancanton on Wed Oct 08, 2008 2:36 am

cairnswk wrote:EDIT\\ try this
Li Hongzhang played a major role in ending the Boxer Rebellion. In 1901, he was the principal Chinese negotiator with the foreign powers who had captured Beijing, and, on September 7, 1901, he signed the treaty (Boxer Protocol) ending the Boxer crisis, obtaining the departure of the foreign armies at the price of huge indemnities for China.

here -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Hongzhang

in my current reading, he is referred to as Li Hung-chang in "The Last Empress"
eunuch bonuses need to be upgraded from 7 to 9.

And change this

u were going to use li hung-chang, who played an active role in ending the boxer rebellion, instead of li yuan-hung and increase the eunuch bonuses.

cairnswk wrote:http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1900fei-boxers.html
the wicked, cruel YU Hsien, the hater of foreigners, was the newly appointed Governor of Shansi.

Ian, would you be happy if we placed Yü Hsein in there instead of Wu Chow?

it is actually yü hsien, as u quoted initially, but it somehow changed to yü hsein by accident.

iancanton wrote:nanxun hall is, i believe, nanhsün hall.

to be consistent with kung ning garden and lung tsi palace, can u write it as nan hsün hall, with a space?

iancanton wrote:the orange connector for sun yat-sen looks wider than that for kmt army.

the connector has now been fixed and, other than the above four things, the map looks fantastic!

ian. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V30 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Finals

Postby cairnswk on Sat Oct 11, 2008 7:34 pm

iancanton wrote:u were going to use li hung-chang, who played an active role in ending the boxer rebellion, instead of li yuan-hung and increase the eunuch bonuses.

it is actually yü hsien, as u quoted initially, but it somehow changed to yü hsein by accident.

to be consistent with kung ning garden and lung tsi palace, can u write it as nan hsün hall, with a space?


the connector has now been fixed and, other than the above four things, the map looks fantastic!

ian. :)


All fixed below in Version 30 Ian. Please refresh your screen to see the changes.

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Re: Forbidden City V30 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Finals

Postby iancanton on Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:23 pm

some changes to the xml needed, as follows.

several apostrophes are misplaced.

Crown Prince's Palace (not Crown Princes' Palace)
Emperor's Palace (not Emperors' Palace)
Empress' Palace (not Emperess's Palace – if u want Empress's Palace, then u have to change the text on the map)

some other spelling mistakes.

8 Nation Alliance (not 8 Nations Alliance)
Lung Tsi Palace (not Lung Tsi Pavillion - is it a palace or a pavilion?)
Military Eminence Hall (not Military Eminance Hall)
Nan Hsün Hall (not Nan hsün Hall - capital H for consistency with Lung Tsi Pavilion and Kung Ning Garden)

on the map, can u capitalise the H in Nan Hsün?

finals coming!?

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Re: Forbidden City V30 (P22) [I,Gp,Gr] - Finals

Postby cairnswk on Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:51 pm

iancanton wrote:some changes to the xml needed, as follows.

several apostrophes are misplaced.

Crown Prince's Palace (not Crown Princes' Palace)
Emperor's Palace (not Emperors' Palace)
Empress' Palace (not Emperess's Palace – if u want Empress's Palace, then u have to change the text on the map)

some other spelling mistakes.

8 Nation Alliance (not 8 Nations Alliance)
Lung Tsi Palace (not Lung Tsi Pavillion - is it a palace or a pavilion?)
Military Eminence Hall (not Military Eminance Hall)
Nan Hsün Hall (not Nan hsün Hall - capital H for consistency with Lung Tsi Pavilion and Kung Ning Garden)

on the map, can u capitalise the H in Nan Hsün?

finals coming!?

ian. :)

Thanks ian. all fixed, i hope.
Also fixed ->
Forza AZ wrote:
I found a few small mistakes:

-Kuomintang bonus: 2 on map, 3 in XML
-Missionaries bonus on map is called Foreigners in XML
-Gardens bonus: 2 on map, 3 in XML

-Kung Ning garden doesn’t border W Inner Court in XML and vice versa
-Hall of Imperial Household and Military Eminence Hall border in XML, but there is a wall between them on the map
-Hall of Imperial Household and Outer Court NW border in XML, but there is a (vague) wall between them on the map
-Literary Glory Hall and Outer Court NE border each other in XML, but there is a wall between them on the map


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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Oct 13, 2008 2:54 pm

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Thanks Forza.


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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby cairnswk on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:10 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Image

Thanks Forza.


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Chuffed Andy, Gracia :)
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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby iancanton on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:14 pm

Empress' Palace, not Emperess' Palace. this must surely be the last one!

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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby cairnswk on Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:21 pm

iancanton wrote:Empress' Palace, not Emperess' Palace. this must surely be the last one!

ian. :)


Thanks ian, fixed and uploaded. :)
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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby iancanton on Thu Oct 16, 2008 2:06 am

good job!

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Re: Forbidden City [Final Forge] - V30(P25) Finals!?

Postby cairnswk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:45 pm

iancanton wrote:good job!

ian. :)

Thanks Ian, and thanks sincerely for all your assistance with that nomeclature. :)
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Re: Forbidden City V30 (p25) - [Final Forge] (incl XML STAMP)

Postby cairnswk on Sat Oct 18, 2008 9:46 pm

Andy's trolling the hallways somewhere...must be quench time for this one eh?
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