Route 66 [Quenched]

[oaktown]

XML has been checked and corrected. If somebody wants to double check the coordinates please do, because otherwise I'm ready to put this one out of its misery.

XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml
Large: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19L.jpg
Small: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg

CC map checker: http://www.conquerclub.com/mapmaker/index.php

[the.killing.44]

XML has been checked and corrected. If somebody wants to double check the coordinates please do, because otherwise I'm ready to put this one out of its misery.

XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml
Large: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19L.jpg
Small: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg

CC map checker: http://www.conquerclub.com/mapmaker/index.php

It depends what you're thinking. A fair amount of them are not uniformly placed, but seeing how it's not possible to really "center" them and that they're all in the circles, I'll leave it up to the public and you in particular to decide what's best.

[Lobster Crush]

It depends what you're thinking. A fair amount of them are not uniformly placed, but seeing how it's not possible to really "center" them and that they're all in the circles, I'll leave it up to the public and you in particular to decide what's best.

In my opinion, the large map coordinates look great. The wonkiness of the numbers in the skewed circles is a little more obvious on the small map. You could increase the size of the circles on the small map to compensate for this, but I think it's fine as it is now.

[oaktown]

In my opinion, the large map coordinates look great. The wonkiness of the numbers in the skewed circles is a little more obvious on the small map. You could increase the size of the circles on the small map to compensate for this, but I think it's fine as it is now.

Agreed. I'm pretty much of the opinion that i could spend a few more hours and see very little improvement. As the mapmaker, I can live with it as is if everybody else can.

[MrBenn]

Any more for any more?

[ender516]

It all looks good to me. When do we get to play?

[RedBaron0]

After a little time and no further objections to anything.

Looks good oaktown, can't wait to get my kicks... well you know the rest.

[MrBenn]

Beta - Quenching

---The Final Forge period has concluded for the Route 66 Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Beta Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready for BETA Play. After an extended period of time in BETA and once all quirks and issues have been resolved, the map will be put into Full Play (barring any Lack vetoes).

Conquer Club, enjoy!

[Gilligan]

Kansas City is in the right place (on the border) on the large map. I can bump it a bit on the small map to get it back where it belongs.

And as noted, Kansas City, Missouri is indeed a larger city than Kansas City, Kansas. Missouri has the Royals and the Chiefs, Kansas has Dorothy and Toto.

Whoops, my bad. I didn't know Kansas City went into Missouri as well. Weird how one part of the city is one state's capital, and in another state the same city is there but larger.

PS - Yay quench!

[Supermarioluigi]

...why isn't this map out yet?

I want to play it.

[the.killing.44]

Wewt.

[soccerghost]

On a side note, I have been involved in two games where the opposing player help Route 66 and didn't win, and I think it's a bug or something......

Game 5720218
Game 5720123

[the.killing.44]

There is no <objective> tag in the XML.

[oaktown]

shit... I'll fix it right now and send up the new code to whomever. Several of us missed this!

[oaktown]

This is why we have a BETA stage, right?

http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml

Mapmaker checks it as valid.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
   <title>Route 66</title>
   <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
   <smallheight>473</smallheight>
   <largewidth>840</largewidth>
   <largeheight>630</largeheight>
   <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<reinforcements>
   <reinforcement>
      <lower>1</lower>
      <upper>48</upper>
      <divisor>2</divisor>
   </reinforcement>
</reinforcements>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>Fresno</territory>
      <territory>Phoenix</territory>
      <territory>Pueblo</territory>
      <territory>Lubbock</territory>
      <territory>Topeka</territory>
      <territory>Pocahontas</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Las Vegas</territory>
      <territory>Yuma</territory>
      <territory>Santa Fe</territory>
      <territory>El Paso</territory>
      <territory>Texarkana</territory>
      <territory>Des Moines</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

<objective>
   <name>Route 66</name>
   <components>
         <territory>Los Angeles</territory>
         <territory>Barstow</territory>
         <territory>Kingman</territory>
         <territory>Flagstaff</territory>
         <territory>Albuquerque</territory>
         <territory>Amarillo</territory>
         <territory>Oklahoma City</territory>
         <territory>Tulsa</territory>
         <territory>Joplin</territory>
         <territory>St. Louis</territory>
         <territory>Chicago</territory>
   </components>
</objective>


   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Los Angeles</territory>
         <territory>Barstow</territory>
         <territory>Kingman</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Barstow</territory>
         <territory>Kingman</territory>
         <territory>Flagstaff</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Kingman</territory>
         <territory>Flagstaff</territory>
         <territory>Albuquerque</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Flagstaff</territory>
         <territory>Albuquerque</territory>
         <territory>Amarillo</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Albuquerque</territory>
         <territory>Amarillo</territory>
         <territory>Oklahoma City</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Amarillo</territory>
         <territory>Oklahoma City</territory>
         <territory>Tulsa</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Oklahoma City</territory>
         <territory>Tulsa</territory>
         <territory>Joplin</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Tulsa</territory>
         <territory>Joplin</territory>
         <territory>St. Louis</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>

   <continent>
      <name>Adjoining Route Cities</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Joplin</territory>
         <territory>St. Louis</territory>
         <territory>Chicago</territory>
      </components>
   </continent>


   <territory>
      <name>Los Angeles</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Fresno</border>
         <border>Barstow</border>            
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>47</smallx>
         <smally>353</smally>
         <largex>67</largex>
         <largey>466</largey>
      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Barstow</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Los Angeles</border>
         <border>Yuma</border>      
         <border>Kingman</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>80</smallx>
         <smally>333</smally>
         <largex>109</largex>
         <largey>435</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Kingman</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Barstow</border>
         <border>Las Vegas</border>      
         <border>Flagstaff</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>132</smallx>
         <smally>323</smally>
         <largex>173</largex>
         <largey>424</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Flagstaff</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Albuquerque</border>
         <border>Phoenix</border>      
         <border>Kingman</border>      
         <border>Grand Canyon</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>170</smallx>
         <smally>312</smally>
         <largex>225</largex>
         <largey>407</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Albuquerque</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Flagstaff</border>
         <border>Santa Fe</border>      
         <border>Roswell</border>      
         <border>Amarillo</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>264</smallx>
         <smally>302</smally>
         <largex>348</largex>
         <largey>395</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Amarillo</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Raton</border>
         <border>Lubbock</border>      
         <border>Oklahoma City</border>      
         <border>Albuquerque</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>368</smallx>
         <smally>281</smally>
         <largex>490</largex>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Oklahoma City</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tulsa</border>
         <border>Amarillo</border>
         <border>Dallas</border>         
         <border>Texarkana</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>433</smallx>
         <smally>259</smally>
         <largex>577</largex>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Tulsa</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Oklahoma City</border>
         <border>Joplin</border>         
         <border>Topeka</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>475</smallx>
         <smally>227</smally>
         <largex>632</largex>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Joplin</name>
      <borders>
         <border>St. Louis</border>
         <border>Tulsa</border>   
         <border>Little Rock</border>         
         <border>Kansas City</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <largex>663</largex>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>St. Louis</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Chicago</border>
         <border>Joplin</border>         
         <border>Pocahontas</border>         
      </borders>
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         <largex>718</largex>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Chicago</name>
      <borders>
         <border>St. Louis</border>
         <border>Des Moines</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <largex>720</largex>
         <largey>68</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>


   <territory>
      <name>Tucson</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Yuma</border>
         <border>Phoenix</border>         
         <border>Las Cruces</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>180</smallx>
         <smally>381</smally>
         <largex>238</largex>
         <largey>501</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Roswell</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Albuquerque</border>
         <border>Las Cruces</border>         
         <border>El Paso</border>         
         <border>Lubbock</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>338</smally>
         <largex>387</largex>
         <largey>445</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>San Angelo</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Lubbock</border>
         <border>El Paso</border>         
         <border>San Antonio</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>347</smally>
         <largex>523</largex>
         <largey>458</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Dallas</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Oklahoma City</border>
         <border>San Antonio</border>         
         <border>Texarkana</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Little Rock</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Pocahontas</border>
         <border>Joplin</border>         
         <border>Texarkana</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
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   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Kansas City</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Joplin</border>
         <border>Topeka</border>         
         <border>Des Moines</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Omaha</name>
      <borders>
         <border>North Platte</border>
         <border>Topeka</border>         
         <border>Des Moines</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

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      <name>Salina</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Oakley</border>
         <border>Topeka</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Denver</name>
      <borders>
         <border>North Platte</border>
         <border>Oakley</border>         
         <border>Pueblo</border>         
      </borders>
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      </coordinates>
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   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Raton</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Amarillo</border>
         <border>Pueblo</border>         
         <border>Santa Fe</border>         
      </borders>
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         <smally>245</smally>
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      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Grand Junction</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Pueblo</border>
         <border>Greenriver</border>         
         <border>Four Corners</border>         
      </borders>
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         <smallx>238</smallx>
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         <largex>314</largex>
         <largey>293</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Grand Canyon</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Flagstaff</border>
         <border>Four Corners</border>         
         <border>Zion</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>165</smallx>
         <smally>272</smally>
         <largex>218</largex>
         <largey>353</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Salt Lake City</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Greenriver</border>
         <border>Zion</border>         
         <border>Elko</border>         
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>163</smallx>
         <smally>174</smally>
         <largex>219</largex>
         <largey>225</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Winnemucca</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Elko</border>
         <border>Reno</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>82</smallx>
         <smally>181</smally>
         <largex>106</largex>
         <largey>234</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Tahoe</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Las Vegas</border>
         <border>Reno</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>73</smallx>
         <smally>237</smally>
         <largex>75</largex>
         <largey>299</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Sacramento</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Fresno</border>
         <border>Reno</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>18</smallx>
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         <largex>26</largex>
         <largey>310</largey>

      </coordinates>
     <neutral>3</neutral>
   </territory>


   <territory>
      <name>Fresno</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Los Angeles</border>
         <border>Sacramento</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>41</smallx>
         <smally>300</smally>
         <largex>56</largex>
         <largey>390</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Phoenix</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Flagstaff</border>
         <border>Tucson</border>      
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>181</smallx>
         <smally>344</smally>
         <largex>239</largex>
         <largey>453</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Pueblo</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Grand Junction</border>
         <border>Raton</border>      
         <border>Denver</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>288</smallx>
         <smally>212</smally>
         <largex>384</largex>
         <largey>278</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Lubbock</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Amarillo</border>
         <border>Roswell</border>      
         <border>San Angelo</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>376</smallx>
         <smally>316</smally>
         <largex>495</largex>
         <largey>415</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Topeka</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tulsa</border>
         <border>Kansas City</border>      
         <border>Salina</border>      
         <border>Omaha</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>451</smallx>
         <smally>173</smally>
         <largex>599</largex>
         <largey>225</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Pocahontas</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Little Rock</border>
         <border>St. Louis</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>540</smallx>
         <smally>202</smally>
         <largex>721</largex>
         <largey>264</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>


   <territory>
      <name>Des Moines</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Chicago</border>
         <border>Omaha</border>
         <border>Kansas City</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>469</smallx>
         <smally>107</smally>
         <largex>624</largex>
         <largey>133</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Texarkana</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Oklahoma City</border>
         <border>Little Rock</border>
         <border>Dallas</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>510</smallx>
         <smally>278</smally>
         <largex>682</largex>
         <largey>365</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>El Paso</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Roswell</border>
         <border>San Angelo</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>286</smallx>
         <smally>390</smally>
         <largex>385</largex>
         <largey>507</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Santa Fe</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Raton</border>
         <border>Albuquerque</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>270</smallx>
         <smally>271</smally>
         <largex>358</largex>
         <largey>357</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Las Vegas</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Kingman</border>
         <border>Tahoe</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>109</smallx>
         <smally>290</smally>
         <largex>142</largex>
         <largey>378</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Yuma</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Barstow</border>
         <border>Tucson</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>115</smallx>
         <smally>365</smally>
         <largex>152</largex>
         <largey>481</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>


   <territory>
      <name>Reno</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Sacramento</border>
         <border>Tahoe</border>   
         <border>Winnemucca</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>43</smallx>
         <smally>202</smally>
         <largex>54</largex>
         <largey>261</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Elko</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Salt Lake City</border>   
         <border>Winnemucca</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>121</smallx>
         <smally>183</smally>
         <largex>155</largex>
         <largey>237</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Zion</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Salt Lake City</border>   
         <border>Grand Canyon</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>161</smallx>
         <smally>232</smally>
         <largex>211</largex>
         <largey>305</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>   

   <territory>
      <name>Greenriver</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Salt Lake City</border>   
         <border>Grand Junction</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>194</smallx>
         <smally>211</smally>
         <largex>263</largex>
         <largey>273</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Four Corners</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Grand Canyon</border>   
         <border>Grand Junction</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>217</smallx>
         <smally>251</smally>
         <largex>290</largex>
         <largey>332</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>North Platte</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Denver</border>   
         <border>Omaha</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>338</smallx>
         <smally>132</smally>
         <largex>442</largex>
         <largey>171</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Oakley</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Denver</border>   
         <border>Salina</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>365</smallx>
         <smally>193</smally>
         <largex>476</largex>
         <largey>253</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>Las Cruces</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tucson</border>   
         <border>Roswell</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>237</smallx>
         <smally>362</smally>
         <largex>321</largex>
         <largey>475</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

   <territory>
      <name>San Antonio</name>
      <borders>
         <border>San Angelo</border>   
         <border>Dallas</border>   
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>438</smallx>
         <smally>371</smally>
         <largex>580</largex>
         <largey>489</largey>

      </coordinates>
   </territory>

</map>


[Darthvadar]

Game 5722032

My opponent held route 66 and it did you win him the game. Does this need fixing??

[yeti_c]

Reading comprehension isn't strong in this one.

C.

[MrBenn]

On a side note, I have been involved in two games where the opposing player help Route 66 and didn't win, and I think it's a bug or something......

There is no <objective> tag in the XML.

shit... I'll fix it right now and send up the new code to whomever. Several of us missed this!

This is why we have a BETA stage, right?

Updated lackattack with XML I have.

[Aalmeida17]

i have play the map and hold the all route66 and dont win why?

[Aalmeida17]

5727601

[the.killing.44]

Christ, read the post right above you!

[AndrewB]

The bonuses are off for the 2 player game.

If you are first one to go, u are getting an indefinite lead by 1 army, unless your dice screw u up: If u conquer at least one country in the first round (85% chance), u are getting 1 more army then the second player. Then in the second round u need to conquer 2 with deployment of 5 (at least 56%, if u cannot reuse anything from the first round). And so on and so forth.

A quick scan through the completed sequential automatic 1vs1 proves it. Out of the 20 games I have checked, only 6 were win by the second starting player.

The game play is quite an unbalanced for 1vs1.

[Teflon Kris]

Complaining many players are when held objective is.

LackAttack kicked ass must be.

When done is this balanced restored will be to the force.

[oaktown]

The bonuses are off for the 2 player game.

If you are first one to go, u are getting an indefinite lead by 1 army, unless your dice screw u up: If u conquer at least one country in the first round (85% chance), u are getting 1 more army then the second player. Then in the second round u need to conquer 2 with deployment of 5 (at least 56%, if u cannot reuse anything from the first round). And so on and so forth.

A quick scan through the completed sequential automatic 1vs1 proves it. Out of the 20 games I have checked, only 6 were win by the second starting player.

The game play is quite an unbalanced for 1vs1.

For starters, player 1 isn't starting with a lead, because player 2 gets to start with the same deployment: 4 armies. This isn't a lead, you're just BOTH getting more armies than you would in a four player game, for example. In order for P1 to reduce P2's deployment, he has to take two territories, since the players don't start with any adjoining territories. In most games P1 should get his 10th territory by the end of round 2, but chances are he has done so by hitting neutrals and he has set himself up to be attacked directly by P2.

You say that 70% of 1v1 games were won by player 1? Sounds about like any other map. 1v1 games always gives an advantage to player 1, and while this may be particularly so on a small map like this it is also particular so in large maps like World 2.1, where player one starts with enough armies to really put the screws to player 2.

Anyway, if you look back through the thread this was discussed a bit, but if somebody has a concrete suggesting, I'll happily consider it. Keep in mind that any significant changes to the number of territories that improves 1v1 games may negatively impact other game types.

I suspect that somebody who plays this map a lot will figure out how to play it as player 2. And in the end if this turns out to be a less-than-ideal 1v1 map, the community will realize that and not start so many 1v1s on it. Not every map is going to perfect for every game type.

[AndyDufresne]

I suspect that somebody who plays this map a lot will figure out how to play it as player 2. And in the end if this turns out to be a less-than-ideal 1v1 map, the community will realize that and not start so many 1v1s on it. Not every map is going to perfect for every game type.

Right, there will always be maps that don't create as quality games as others for certain settings (however you define "quality").

As long as a map isn't horribly out-of-whack, and serves a majority of settings, it is an acceptable map I'd say.


--Andy