Route 66 [Quenched]

[ender516]

Houston, we are go for corn.

[MrBenn]

Final Forge

---The Route 66 Map has reached the ‘Final Forge’ Stage. The map has passed rigorous gameplay and graphics examinations, and major concerns have been addressed. If you have any other concerns, please make your voice heard. If after a reasonable amount of time there has not been any objection or protest, the map will be deemed finished with the 'Foundry Brand' of approval and will be submitted for live play. As long as there is still discussion or posts that have yet to be commented on, the map will remain in Final Forge until said discussion has reached the conclusion that the map has reached its final and polished version.

Post questions and concerns if any.

[ender516]

Allow me to be the first to congratulate you, Oaktown, on reaching the Final Forge with this map. I think the first nitpick you will need to deal with, and you might as well hear it from me, is that your small image is not in your first post. I have seen it in the post just before the post with the XML, and it looks fine to me, but the map dilettantes won't search for it.

[perchorin]

Jesus people, there's no corn in Kansas! It's Iowa that has the corn, Kansas is a wheat state, doesn't anybody know the difference???

[ender516]

Jesus people, there's no corn in Kansas! It's Iowa that has the corn, Kansas is a wheat state, doesn't anybody know the difference???

Well, where were you four weeks ago when I suggested the following?

There's only two things that come from Kansas, steers and queers.... Just kidding, though something agricultural does seem to be missing from the map. What would be more appropriate to Kansas, a steer, a steer's head (longhorn?), or perhaps a cob of corn or sheaf of wheat? Anybody from that area with an opinion?

And Wikipedia says there is both wheat and corn (yeah, yeah, I know, Wikipedia, feh). But oaktown says he has seen the corn:

Kansas... I tried to come up with something for kansas earlier and failed. Having driven across Kansas all I remember seeing is corn, followed by miles and miles of more corn. Then you pass through a small town and see more corn.

Now I suppose if you can convince oak that wheat is a better choice, then a few ears of wheat or a sheaf might be more appropriate. Do we need a poll?

[mibi]

I think the places depicted at the bottom should instead be places from the song route 66.

Well it goes through St. Louie down to Missouri
Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty.
You'll see Amarillo, Gallup, New Mexico
Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona,
Kingsman, Barstow, San Bernardino.

And whats up with Acoma? I've been there and don't remember any route 66 near by.

[oaktown]

I think the places depicted at the bottom should instead be places from the song route 66.

Well it goes through St. Louie down to Missouri
Oklahoma City looks oh so pretty.
You'll see Amarillo, Gallup, New Mexico
Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona,
Kingsman, Barstow, San Bernardino.

And whats up with Acoma? I've been there and don't remember any route 66 near by.

I thought I'd done a decent job of getting most of the song locations on the map itself... as for the pix at the bottom, I tried to go with things that actually look impressive enough to be on a postcard. My apologies, Amarillo.



I believe Acoma Pueblo is something like ten miles off of the old Route 66, so it's an obvious side trip... basically I wanted some Native America nod. It's certainly closer than the Grand Canyon, which has to be on there.

The Kansas Corn Growers Association estimates that Kansas will pump out nearly 515,000,000 bushels of corn in 2009, and for eight of the past ten years they've produced more corn than any other grain.

It should be noted that I may have confused my driving time in Kansas with that of one of the many other states in which i saw nothing but corn.

[mibi]

fine by me, i was just throwin a wrench out here.

[oaktown]

Large and small images, with 88s and 888s.

Click image to enlarge.

Click image to enlarge.

I'm finding that the circles are much less circular than I'd thought they'd be. By setting the postcard back at an angle on the table the circles were, of course, going to get skewed, but some of the circles toward the back edge of the image are especially so. But I'd rather maintain the illusion and sacrifice perfect centering, which really only matters when you have exactly 88 armies on a territory (the other #s aren't symmetrical). For example, when you have random #s on the map, they look just fine.

Click image to enlarge.

If anybody wants to play around with the Map Inspect tool, here are the files:
Small Map: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg
Large: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19L.jpg
XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml

I'm using snapdrive.com for XML file hosting, because FileDen sucks... too many ads to wade through before your can get to your files. And most other sites don't give you a direct link with which you can use Map Inspect. I may stop using photobucket soon, what with the commercials that launch while you're downloading.

[Gilligan]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by the fact that Kansas City is in Missouri?

[ender516]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by the fact that Kansas City is in Missouri?

There is a Kansas City in Kansas, just across the river, but I think it is smaller. Does that make you feel any better?

[the.killing.44]

Is anyone else a little annoyed by the fact that Kansas City is in Missouri?

I'm annoyed at that in real life but not exactly on the map =\

[oaktown]

Kansas City is in the right place (on the border) on the large map. I can bump it a bit on the small map to get it back where it belongs.

And as noted, Kansas City, Missouri is indeed a larger city than Kansas City, Kansas. Missouri has the Royals and the Chiefs, Kansas has Dorothy and Toto.

[ender516]

Kansas City is in the right place (on the border) on the large map. I can bump it a bit on the small map to get it back where it belongs.

And as noted, Kansas City, Missouri is indeed a larger city than Kansas City, Kansas. Missouri has the Royals and the Chiefs, Kansas has Dorothy and Toto.

Say, maybe we should replace the cob of corn with a flying monkey. Oz is in the public domain, right?

[Archanash]

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[oaktown]

XML has been checked and corrected. If somebody wants to double check the coordinates please do, because otherwise I'm ready to put this one out of its misery.

XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml
Large: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19L.jpg
Small: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg

CC map checker: http://www.conquerclub.com/mapmaker/index.php

[the.killing.44]

XML has been checked and corrected. If somebody wants to double check the coordinates please do, because otherwise I'm ready to put this one out of its misery.

XML: http://www.snapdrive.net/files/612537/route.xml
Large: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19L.jpg
Small: http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r76/ ... ute19S.jpg

CC map checker: http://www.conquerclub.com/mapmaker/index.php

It depends what you're thinking. A fair amount of them are not uniformly placed, but seeing how it's not possible to really "center" them and that they're all in the circles, I'll leave it up to the public and you in particular to decide what's best.

[Lobster Crush]

It depends what you're thinking. A fair amount of them are not uniformly placed, but seeing how it's not possible to really "center" them and that they're all in the circles, I'll leave it up to the public and you in particular to decide what's best.

In my opinion, the large map coordinates look great. The wonkiness of the numbers in the skewed circles is a little more obvious on the small map. You could increase the size of the circles on the small map to compensate for this, but I think it's fine as it is now.

[oaktown]

In my opinion, the large map coordinates look great. The wonkiness of the numbers in the skewed circles is a little more obvious on the small map. You could increase the size of the circles on the small map to compensate for this, but I think it's fine as it is now.

Agreed. I'm pretty much of the opinion that i could spend a few more hours and see very little improvement. As the mapmaker, I can live with it as is if everybody else can.

[MrBenn]

Any more for any more?

[ender516]

It all looks good to me. When do we get to play?

[RedBaron0]

After a little time and no further objections to anything.

Looks good oaktown, can't wait to get my kicks... well you know the rest.

[MrBenn]

Beta - Quenching

---The Final Forge period has concluded for the Route 66 Map. All objections have had their time. The Foundry and I hereby brand this map with the Foundry Beta Brand. Let it be known that this map is now ready for BETA Play. After an extended period of time in BETA and once all quirks and issues have been resolved, the map will be put into Full Play (barring any Lack vetoes).

Conquer Club, enjoy!

[Gilligan]

Kansas City is in the right place (on the border) on the large map. I can bump it a bit on the small map to get it back where it belongs.

And as noted, Kansas City, Missouri is indeed a larger city than Kansas City, Kansas. Missouri has the Royals and the Chiefs, Kansas has Dorothy and Toto.

Whoops, my bad. I didn't know Kansas City went into Missouri as well. Weird how one part of the city is one state's capital, and in another state the same city is there but larger.

PS - Yay quench!

[Supermarioluigi]

...why isn't this map out yet?

I want to play it.