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Re: American Revolution *updated and with poll*

Postby tlane on Tue Apr 07, 2009 9:24 pm

i don't think it is necessary to have
"no bonus"
in the rules, as long as there is nothing that says there is a bonus i think it is fine

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Re: American Revolution *updated and with poll*

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:28 am

Hmm... that's a good point tlane. Does anyone else have an opinion on this?

If I took out the no bonus part in the rules, would you assume there was no bonus or would there be confusion over whether the Indian territories are part of a state's bonus structure or if they hold a bonus on their own?
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Re: American Revolution *updated and with poll*

Postby whitestazn88 on Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:49 am

interesting concept. i look forward to looking at this later on in its development
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Re: American Revolution *updated and with poll*

Postby Industrial Helix on Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:45 am

Hmm, well the poll seems to indicate the British Canada ought to go neutral. So i'm going to go with that, and knock down the Indian terr. to a killer neutral 2. British Canada to a starting neutral of 3 with autodeploy +1 when occupied.


Also, Mr. Benn, could you reset the poll again, when you get a chance, please? Thanks!
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby spiesr on Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:40 am

I am not sure about having BC neutral. It might not see much use. Is it really worth it to take out the killer neutral and the neutrals on it to get the +1 autodeploy? Becuae you can't even do alot with the auto deploy, you can't just fortify it out to somwhere useful because there will be a neutral in your way. If you every wan't to use it all all you have to kill the killer neutral every time.
Also, micmac territory seems kind of useless as it only connects to another killer neutral so it would be almost easier or more worthwhile to go aroung the other way in most situations.
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby Industrial Helix on Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:44 pm

spiesr: I know what you mean, but I think the general feeling of everyone following this map is that having BC open to random drop that it would give too much of an unfair advantage to whatever random player. One thing about reinforcing the auto deploy is that if you hole any of the colony terrs. and BC with a quick knock out of the neutral 2 men on Indian terr. you could reinforce it out and into the main game.

Theoretically, you could capture it and let it sit a couple rounds and bring the men back into your game, while the neutrals act as buffers against your enemy. Maybe less so with just 1 autodeploy, Do you think upping the auto deploy to 2 or even 3 would bring BC more into the game?

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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby ustus on Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:26 pm

Industrial Helix wrote: Do you think upping the auto deploy to 2 or even 3 would bring BC more into the game?

Thoughts anyone?


Honestly?? i would never touch BC. I think i outlined my reasoning earlier in the thread, and Speisr more or less said the same things i did. Maybe with a 2 or 3 autodeploy, but I'd still see it as a waste of troops to take in the first place. Sorry....
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby bryguy on Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:47 pm

Loving this map Industrial :)

1) The texture in the ocean seems really tough
2) Not all the states had the shapes that they have today. Would it be possible for the state shapes to be corrected?
3) In the legend, the 3s look alot like 8s IMO
4) It is hard to see the white attack dotes from BH to NY
5) Is the name of the highest boat Boston? Its confusing to me...
6) I don't think that BC will ever be touched, unless you increase the auto deploy at least by 4. A deploy of 2 or 3 isn't really much, especially if reinforcements are chained. In a game, with BC at the current auto deploy level, I wouldn't take it for all the bananas in the world (Whoah where did that come from :shock: ), but if you increased the auto deploy to at least 5 (Maybe 4), then it would make it more worth wild.
7) I cannot see he Micmac territory being used much, as it is the same number of territories to go from Bemis Heights to NH via Micmac-Algoncin as it is to get there via Saratoga-Bunker Hill.
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:33 pm

ustus - Yeah, The more this map progresses the more I'm starting to wonder if I ought to just open all the killer neutrals up to deployment as well as BC or leave just BC neutral w/ adeploy. Not entirely sure yet. But I'm open to suggestions and am trying out a few ideas.

bryguy - Thanks for the feedback firstly.
1) Not the first time I've heard it, I'm going to try with the blue scale a little and if not then the old paper texture, keep your eyes open for future updates on that.
2) Right you are, I think Bruceswar mentioned that earlier. I did a little research and the shapes of the states vary from time to time, for example, tennessee was part of N carolina for a while. I'm hesitant to change it for two reasons, 1. The shape of the map will lose some recognition 2. it will alter territories and continent bonuses, especially Georgia.

However, the more I think about it the more I'm reluctantly accepting that it's going to have to change. Expect the first revision with the next update.
3) and 4) Good points. Gonna have to tackle that.
5)Yes, Boston is the name of the highest boat. It seems pretty clear cut to me, but I'm biased. Is it too close to the land and dots?
6) That'd be a big bonus. I'm assuming you mean worth taking through the killer neutrals for a 5 man bonus?
7) Hmm... good point. The idea of putting the Micmac route in there is that it follows Benedict Arnold's trek up to Canada. Maybe a little rearranging for the New York terrs. I'll play around with it.

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Re: American Revolution *Poll*

Postby alstergren on Thu May 07, 2009 1:19 pm

Bruceswar wrote:When I think of the American Revolution, I do not envision a map like this. You have to remember that the states did not look like they do today, well some of them at least. Note the Pink Highlighted areas..

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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri May 08, 2009 8:03 am

alstergren - in short, agreed. I'm trying to make changes to the map right now and shaping the western border to look like the map bruceswar posted. I'm hitting some bumps though and it looks like i might have to freehand the western border, lets hope four years of drawing classes pays off!

As for the British northern territories, we've got the terr. marked British Canada which will feature an autodeploy... there's a bit of a debate over how much it should deploy, whether or not it should be neutral, ect. in the pages before this.

As for whether or not it has thirteen colonies, all thirteen are represented albeit not as individual bonus areas and with their 1790s borders (soon to be changed to the 1775 borders). I intend to stick with lest it becomes a debate and some good ideas are put forward, always open to suggestion.
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby alexandrois on Sun May 10, 2009 10:34 am

Hey, could you split british canada up into maybe 2/3 regions and maybe have a bonus of 1 for holding them?
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue May 12, 2009 4:31 pm

Hmmm... that may be a really good idea. It'd still keep the effect of having a wilderness buffer but yet get around the british canada autodeploy problem.

Thoughts anyone? I might just run with this.

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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby pamoa on Fri May 15, 2009 4:52 am

:?: are you in competition with 1776! - Battlefields of The American Revolution thread :?:
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Re: American Revolution *updated 4/16/09*

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon May 18, 2009 9:54 am

pamoa wrote::?: are you in competition with 1776! - Battlefields of The American Revolution thread :?:


I don't believe so. He messaged me beforehand just to make sure there were no problems or conflicts with our respective maps. Personally, i have no problem with his map as I think he's aiming for a totally different game play than what I am and I think we both have much to offer with our maps. So no, I don't believe there is a competition between us nor do I intend for there to be one.

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