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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp] Give Me a Stamp or Give Me Death! p.30

Postby thenobodies80 on Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:43 pm

Much better. :)
Sorry to play ball buster, but i think you should remove the final dot that touch savannah and the two final dots, one for each side, in the Long Island - Brooklyn Heights connection.
But it's just nitpicking.
More important, there's a way to make the Long Island/Fort Lee/New York borders more clear? Maybe make the point in which long island touch new york bigger or move it a bit to north.... :-k there's too much white in that point imo.

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp] Give Me a Stamp or Give Me Death! p.30

Postby Industrial Helix on Sun Jan 24, 2010 6:18 pm

thenobodies80 wrote:Much better. :)
Sorry to play ball buster, but i think you should remove the final dot that touch savannah and the two final dots, one for each side, in the Long Island - Brooklyn Heights connection.
But it's just nitpicking.
More important, there's a way to make the Long Island/Fort Lee/New York borders more clear? Maybe make the point in which long island touch new york bigger or move it a bit to north.... :-k there's too much white in that point imo.

Said that, i think that the final forge is around the corner...I can see a red Fokker DR.1 on the horizon ;)


I respectfully disagree about everything except the ship dots... which have been adjusted. If there is a serious problem with the clarity of Long Island connecting to New York during Beta, I will address it.

On a broader note, the nitpicks that have been ravaging this map for the past couple of months are pure speculation born of staring at this thing for a year now. I propose fresh eyes and tests during gameplay to sort out the real nitpicks of this map because as it is now, its wars of opinion and preference rather than actual discussion.

Anyway, Photobucket is being a pain in the arse and is down. I'll upload the adjusted images when I can.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp] Give Me a Stamp or Give Me Death! p.30

Postby RedBaron0 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:52 am

At least give what nobodies suggested a try, a simple scoutch of Long Island up and to the right will prevent any doubt whether or not Long Island and Fort Lee connect or not. Big map is fine for sure, small map could use that scoutch. And to save room after the move with the text getting too close to the ship you can change "Long Island" to "Long Is." Don't forget the circles you have on the ships and Indian territories is centered graphically on the 888, not the 88. The circles currently there are likely too big.

Simple fixes easily completed under the scrutiny of the Final Forge.

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp] Give Me a Stamp or Give Me Death! p.30

Postby isaiah40 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:58 am

RedBaron0 wrote:At least give what nobodies suggested a try, a simple scoutch of Long Island up and to the right will prevent any doubt whether or not Long Island and Fort Lee connect or not. Big map is fine for sure, small map could use that scoutch. And to save room after the move with the text getting too close to the ship you can change "Long Island" to "Long Is." Don't forget the circles you have on the ships and Indian territories is centered graphically on the 888, not the 88. The circles currently there are likely too big.

Simple fixes easily completed under the scrutiny of the Final Forge.

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp] Give Me a Stamp or Give Me Death! p.30

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:05 am

Good job IH. =D>
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.30

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:08 am

RedBaron0 wrote:At least give what nobodies suggested a try, a simple scoutch of Long Island up and to the right will prevent any doubt whether or not Long Island and Fort Lee connect or not. Big map is fine for sure, small map could use that scoutch. And to save room after the move with the text getting too close to the ship you can change "Long Island" to "Long Is." Don't forget the circles you have on the ships and Indian territories is centered graphically on the 888, not the 88. The circles currently there are likely too big.

Simple fixes easily completed under the scrutiny of the Final Forge.

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[-o< Thank you!!!

As I was adjusting the border for Long Island I realized that this would connect Long Island to New Jersey... Which is a no-go. I adjusted it and redrew it to make it a little more clearer, lets hope there's no problems in Beta :?

The XML needs some touching up. The bonuses are fine but I think all the coordinates are off. I'll try and get it up sometime soon.

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:16 pm

Ok, I've been messing around with the XML for the morning and am about fed up with it. Most ofthe coordinates are where they should be but there's a few that are off. I'm pretty confident the bonuses and killer neutrals are in place and Nobodies and RedBaron0 basically did it. Thanks again!

So here's the latest version with clear jpgs to work with it in case anyone wants to give it a look and point out the flaws.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>
<positions>
</positions>
<continent>
<name>Georgia</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Chattahoochee</territory>
<territory>Ocmulgee</territory>
<territory>Savannah</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>South Carolina</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Charles Town</territory>
<territory>Camden</territory>
<territory>Fort Prince George</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
</continent>
<continent>
<name>North Carolina</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Wilmington</territory>
<territory>Raleigh</territory>
<territory>Halifax</territory>
<territory>Guildford Courthouse</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
</continent>
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<name>Virginia</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Yorktown</territory>
<territory>Roanoke</territory>
<territory>Arlington</territory>
<territory>Appalachia</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
</continent>
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<name>Maryland</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
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<territory>Baltimore</territory>
<territory>St. Mary</territory>
<territory>Delmarva</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
</continent>
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<name>Delaware</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
<components>
<territory>Delaware</territory>
</components>
<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
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<name>Pennsylvania</name>
<bonus>0</bonus>
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<territory>Allegheny</territory>
<territory>Philadelphia</territory>
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<overrides>
</overrides>
<required></required>
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<territory>Bemis Heights</territory>
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<required></required>
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</components>
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</overrides>
<required></required>
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</components>
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</overrides>
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<territory>Castine</territory>
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</overrides>
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby thenobodies80 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:18 pm

You don't need empty tags. ;)

i think i've cut everything that it's not needed:

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    <?xml version="1.0"?>
    <map>
    <continent>
    <name>Georgia</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Chattahoochee</territory>
    <territory>Ocmulgee</territory>
    <territory>Savannah</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>South Carolina</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Charles Town</territory>
    <territory>Camden</territory>
    <territory>Fort Prince George</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>North Carolina</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Wilmington</territory>
    <territory>Raleigh</territory>
    <territory>Halifax</territory>
    <territory>Guildford Courthouse</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Virginia</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Yorktown</territory>
    <territory>Roanoke</territory>
    <territory>Arlington</territory>
    <territory>Appalachia</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Maryland</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Baltimore</territory>
    <territory>St. Mary</territory>
    <territory>Delmarva</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Delaware</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Delaware</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Pennsylvania</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Valley Forge</territory>
    <territory>Fort Pitt</territory>
    <territory>Allegheny</territory>
    <territory>Philadelphia</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>New Jersey</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Burlington</territory>
    <territory>Trenton</territory>
    <territory>Fort Lee</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>New York</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Long Island</territory>
    <territory>New York</territory>
    <territory>Saratoga</territory>
    <territory>Bemis Heights</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Connecticut</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Connecticut</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Rhode Island</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Rhode Island</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>Massachusetts</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Bunker Hill</territory>
    <territory>Cape Cod</territory>
    <territory>Castine</territory>
    <territory>Massachusetts Bay</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>New Hampshire</name>
    <bonus>0</bonus>
    <components>
    <territory>Exeter</territory>
    <territory>Winnipesaukee</territory>
    <territory>Coos</territory>
    </components>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>2 colonies</name>
    <bonus>3</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    </overrides>
    <required>2</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>3 colonies</name>
    <bonus>4</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    <override>2 colonies</override>
    </overrides>
    <required>3</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>4 colonies</name>
    <bonus>5</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    <override>2 colonies</override>
    <override>3 colonies</override>
    </overrides>
    <required>4</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>5 colonies</name>
    <bonus>6</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    <override>2 colonies</override>
    <override>3 colonies</override>
    <override>4 colonies</override>
    </overrides>
    <required>5</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>6 colonies</name>
    <bonus>7</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    <override>2 colonies</override>
    <override>3 colonies</override>
    <override>4 colonies</override>
    <override>5 colonies</override>
    </overrides>
    <required>6</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>7 colonies</name>
    <bonus>8</bonus>
    <components>
    <continent>Georgia</continent>
    <continent>South Carolina</continent>
    <continent>North Carolina</continent>
    <continent>Virginia</continent>
    <continent>Maryland</continent>
    <continent>Delaware</continent>
    <continent>Pennsylvania</continent>
    <continent>New Jersey</continent>
    <continent>New York</continent>
    <continent>Connecticut</continent>
    <continent>Rhode Island</continent>
    <continent>Massachusetts</continent>
    <continent>New Hampshire</continent>
    </components>
    <overrides>
    <override>2 colonies</override>
    <override>3 colonies</override>
    <override>4 colonies</override>
    <override>5 colonies</override>
    <override>6 colonies</override>
    </overrides>
    <required>7</required>
    </continent>
    <continent>
    <name>8 colonies</name>
    <bonus>9</bonus>
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Then you should add a big override tag for all the small "0 value" bonus to keep the log cleaner.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby porkenbeans on Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:04 pm

I have illustrated a couple of suggestions.
Nice map. Yes, I would like to see this project done. I hope that this one gains the needed support to make it to quench.

I like the ships, but I think they need a little work. At the moment they look like a black and white image, overlaid on top of a color drawing. Also the white connecting dots stand out too much. You can color them blue, to make them less pronounced. A dark green for the black dots would help them in this respect as well.

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby cubfanpgh on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:07 pm

Congratulations!
=D> =D> =D>
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby the.killing.44 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:56 pm

No thanks to pork. Maybe try a black drop shadow with 0 distance for the borders?
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:58 pm

Helix has got the colors right on his version. They are superb.


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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby MrBenn on Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:34 pm

porkenbeans wrote:I have illustrated a couple of suggestions.
Nice map. Yes, I would like to see this project done. I hope that this one gains the needed support to make it to quench.

I like the ships, but I think they need a little work. At the moment they look like a black and white image, overlaid on top of a color drawing. Also the white connecting dots stand out too much. You can color them blue, to make them less pronounced. A dark green for the black dots would help them in this respect as well.

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These comments might have been more welcome at any point during the past couple of months when the map was still in the graphics workshop.

In the forge, the focus is on getting the map working (ie XML), and for fixing any tiny little niggles that will have an impact on gameplay (eg understanding territory connections etc.)

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:52 pm

@Nobodies.... thanks again for the XML help. What do you mean by put an override over the bonuses of 0? I think I get what you're aiming for but my experience with XML is probably what's hindering my understanding.

@Pork... I appreciate it, but that map has been in the graphics review for 5 months and quite honestly, I'm sick of dealing with it. I'm just not open to any more graphics changes right now, we'll see what happens when we get some fresh eyes in Beta.

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@Killing... if the borders become a problem later on, maybe.

@Andy... thanks!

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby porkenbeans on Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:14 pm

Did I do something wrong ?
I clicked on the "GRAPHICS WORKSHOP", and I thought I was posting correctly.
I guess it's "my bad".

I wish that this Foundry structure was more clear. If I could make this mistake, I am sure a newcomer will as well.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby natty dread on Mon Jan 25, 2010 7:26 pm

porkenbeans wrote:I wish that this Foundry structure was more clear. If I could make this mistake, I am sure a newcomer will as well.


It's not about the foundry structure. It's the PHPBB forum software which leaves a "ghost" thread to the old subforum when a thread is moved, which links to the thread in the new subforum. This is indicated by a symbol that looks like an arrow next to the thread title.

It can be confusing if you don't know about it, yes...
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby Industrial Helix on Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:04 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Did I do something wrong ?
I clicked on the "GRAPHICS WORKSHOP", and I thought I was posting correctly.
I guess it's "my bad".

I wish that this Foundry structure was more clear. If I could make this mistake, I am sure a newcomer will as well.


np... I make the same mistake all the time. You got to watch for the little arrow on the icon to the left. That says its been moved.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:05 pm

porkenbeans wrote:Did I do something wrong ?
I clicked on the "GRAPHICS WORKSHOP", and I thought I was posting correctly.
I guess it's "my bad".

I wish that this Foundry structure was more clear. If I could make this mistake, I am sure a newcomer will as well.

It is clear. phpBB forum software is also pretty darn clear. But no worries. :D

Good work on this map.


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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby RedBaron0 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 11:05 pm

The shadow is there to denote the move. You can just see where the map was and when you click on it you goto the new location. The shadow will disappear after a couple of days.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby porkenbeans on Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:35 am

RedBaron0 wrote:The shadow is there to denote the move. You can just see where the map was and when you click on it you goto the new location. The shadow will disappear after a couple of days.
Thanx guys, Sorry for my ignorance. :oops:
But I learned something new today. :D
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby thenobodies80 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 5:24 am

Industrial Helix wrote:@Nobodies.... thanks again for the XML help. What do you mean by put an override over the bonuses of 0? I think I get what you're aiming for but my experience with XML is probably what's hindering my understanding.


np ;)
I meant that you should add all the small bonuses in your chain of overrides.
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<override>Georgia</override>
<override>South Carolina</override>
<override>North Carolina</override>
<override>Virginia</override>
<override>Maryland</override>
<override>Delaware</override>
<override>Pennsylvania</override>
<override>New Jersey</override>
<override>New York</override>
<override>Connecticut</override>
<override>Rhode Island</override>
<override>Massachusetts</override>
<override>New Hampshire</override>


A single colonies don't give you a bonus, so it's useless to have to read about them in the log

e.g. : (without overrides)
Industrial Helix received 0 troops for holding Georgia
Industrial Helix received 0 troops for holding Virginia
Industrial Helix received 3 troops for holding 2 colonies

But if you add all the small "0 values" bonuses to your override list (one for each larger bonus that "contain" the smaller ones) they will be not displayed in the log

e.g. : (with overrides)
Industrial Helix received 3 troops for holding 2 colonies

It should look something like this:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/3/21/2373685/13colonies.xml

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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:36 am

Ah... yeah, I get what you mean now. Thanks!
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML in the works p.31

Postby Industrial Helix on Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:55 pm

Ok, I made the changes Nobodies suggested...

http://h1.ripway.com/industhelix/xml

Here's how they look on the CC test:

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EDIT: I just notice the small Indian territories don't line up just right and fixed the XML
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML submitted for review p.32

Postby Meatcat on Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:25 am

Think it could be better. Since this a a war game it should be titled "1776 American Revolution", with bold colors used in the map design, red, navy blue, gold, dark green. Troops included would be American, British, French, German Hessians, and indians.
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Re: 13 Colonies [D, Gp, Gr,] XML submitted for review p.32

Postby Industrial Helix on Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:11 pm

Meatcat wrote:Think it could be better. Since this a a war game it should be titled "1776 American Revolution", with bold colors used in the map design, red, navy blue, gold, dark green. Troops included would be American, British, French, German Hessians, and indians.


You mean make a new map that is totally different in concept, gameplay and design. I'm going to politely decline.

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