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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V6(p4)

Postby the.killing.44 on Sun May 17, 2009 5:07 pm

cairnswk wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:....Bolding the 1942 font text would probably increase the readability. ....
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Already stated that this font can't be bolded.

Faux bold it? You could do that in PS then transfer in — even saving the text as a .png and bringing it in would work.

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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V6(p4)

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 17, 2009 5:09 pm

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cairnswk wrote:
the.killing.44 wrote:....Bolding the 1942 font text would probably increase the readability. ....
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Already stated that this font can't be bolded.

Faux bold it? You could do that in PS then transfer in — even saving the text as a .png and bringing it in would work.

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i don't have PS. this map is being rendered in Coreldraw, and i can't use Illustrator at present as it won't load properly.
I'll continue to see what is possible, though.
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby Fireside Poet on Sun May 17, 2009 5:17 pm

That font fits perfect ... just needs a little darkening and it's set. =D> I'll look over the rest of the map when I get more time.
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby the.killing.44 on Sun May 17, 2009 5:31 pm

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Faux bolded. Scale and do whatever as you please — they're all PNGs. I apologize if the glows aren't the right color. Hope this helps…

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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7

Postby cairnswk on Sun May 17, 2009 7:44 pm

Current Version 7.
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the.killing.44 wrote:Faux bolded. Scale and do whatever as you please — they're all PNGs. I apologize if the glows aren't the right color. Hope this helps…
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I'll look into whatever i can .44, but making no promises.

Fireside Poet wrote:That font fits perfect ... just needs a little darkening and it's set. =D> I'll look over the rest of the map when I get more time.

So are you suggesting this font just for the legend or the entire map. i think the entire map would be a mistake, and even parts of the legend might be impossible where there is extended but small text.
Let me look at what is achievable without jumping in here, and i think others might have an opinion also eh?
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby Fireside Poet on Sun May 17, 2009 10:44 pm

In my opinion, the font looks perfect where it is at and I agree that map-wide usage would not work. I am sure there will be some other opinions on it though.
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby pamoa on Mon May 18, 2009 3:07 am

font:
maybe just use a simple courrier font bolded in the legend and only for some larger title your 1942 font
I prefer it to the atlantic line one

graphics:
army symbol yes something like this don't you find your map easier to read like this?
maybe being more creative by blending army number in the symbol (I'll send you an example of what I mean latter)
trees with shadow much much better
maybe as suggested add some dropping shadow to the river sides
both will make your map more living
maybe also some ground texture like the snow you had in army circle

gameplay:
I'll discuss it latter
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby cairnswk on Mon May 18, 2009 5:42 am

please guys. get on with the gameplay now. this is more important than graphics issues, :) right now.
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby pamoa on Mon May 18, 2009 8:12 am

1st suggestion another way of using aircraft ?
what if you get rid of the strange bombs attacking armies and make
aircraft can bombard any city position
artillery can bombard any aircraft ennemies
and then create two or three german HQ that can attack some or all german aircrafts

2nd suggestion
artillery can only bombard enemy infantry and artillery (also aircrafts)
not armoured units as they were less affected by artillery

3rd suggestion
armoured units get an attack range of 2
as they were mechanised and able to go quicker into enemy lines without being stopped by the first sniper they come through

some graphic minor issue
minor I said ;)
in the attack legend if attacker are red then "defenders" should be with blue bg

and btw red army should be in red no?
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V8

Postby cairnswk on Mon May 18, 2009 5:56 pm

pamoa wrote:1st suggestion another way of using aircraft ?
what if you get rid of the strange bombs attacking armies and make
aircraft can bombard any city position
artillery can bombard any aircraft ennemies
and then create two or three german HQ that can attack some or all german aircrafts

2nd suggestion
artillery can only bombard enemy infantry and artillery (also aircrafts)
not armoured units as they were less affected by artillery

3rd suggestion
armoured units get an attack range of 2
as they were mechanised and able to go quicker into enemy lines without being stopped by the first sniper they come through

some graphic minor issue
minor I said ;)
in the attack legend if attacker are red then "defenders" should be with blue bg

and btw red army should be in red no?


I'm not up for all of these pamoa. But let's what others have to say about gameplay also.

the reason i put bombs in there was to make it so that only aircraft could attack those positions to keep some gameplay balance. Also to create some reality with what happened re bombing raids. If you have aircraft attacking all over the place then this greatly enhances the opportunity for somebody to fort heavily into the aircraft positions and this could lessen other players opportunities to gain a stronghold somewhere to win the game.

Perhaps the artillery could just be a bombardment aspect.

i see what you mean in the legend re defender colour blue.

red army red. well no not necessarily. although other might agree with you.

Anyway, Version 8 below.
1. I'm trying to put some perspective into this one.
2. Trees are still being worked on
3. Army shadows are being made more transparent.
4. Legend appearing in all 1942 font.
5. Experimenting with background colours...still. Not sure i want winter for this map, That map is more set at the beginning of the battle in summer.

More gameplay discussion please. :)

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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V7(p4)

Postby cairnswk on Mon May 18, 2009 9:05 pm

pamoa wrote:font:
maybe just use a simple courrier font bolded in the legend and only for some larger title your 1942 font
I prefer it to the atlantic line one

graphics:
army symbol yes something like this don't you find your map easier to read like this?
maybe being more creative by blending army number in the symbol (I'll send you an example of what I mean latter)
trees with shadow much much better
maybe as suggested add some dropping shadow to the river sides
both will make your map more living
maybe also some ground texture like the snow you had in army circle

gameplay:
I'll discuss it latter

Gameplay good.
I'm trying to implement some of your graphics suggestions.
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V8(p5)

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue May 19, 2009 2:16 pm

The colors that dominate the map at the moment I don't think say much about the theme of the fighting for Stalingrad---perhaps it's is their light color in nature, perhaps it's the lack of grunge and grime usually assocated with battle, especially on like Stalingrad. Whatever it is, this map's colors remind me more of your non-war maps, than your war maps.


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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V8(p5)

Postby cairnswk on Tue May 19, 2009 2:26 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:The colors that dominate the map at the moment I don't think say much about the theme of the fighting for Stalingrad---perhaps it's is their light color in nature, perhaps it's the lack of grunge and grime usually assocated with battle, especially on like Stalingrad. Whatever it is, this map's colors remind me more of your non-war maps, than your war maps.


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Thanks Andy. I'll keep that in mind for the next colour change. :)
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V8

Postby pamoa on Wed May 20, 2009 5:14 am

actual attack conditions
    aircrafts attack bombs
    bombs attack neighbouring infantry and armoured units
    artillery attack enemy artillery, infantry, armoured units and all aircrafts
    infantry and armoured units attack any neighbouring artillery, infantry and armoured units

pamoa wrote:my suggestion
    aircrafts bombard city position or target zone marked with bomb
    artillery bombard enemy artillery, infantry and aircrafts
    infantry attack any neighbouring artillery, infantry, armoured units and aircrafts*
    armoured units attack with a range of 2 any neighbouring artillery, infantry and armoured units

    *some 2 or 3 new german position should be created as HQ which would connect to german aircrafts

cairnswk wrote:the reason I put bombs in there was to make it so that only aircraft could attack those positions to keep some gameplay balance. Also to create some reality with what happened re bombing raids. If you have aircraft attacking all over the place then this greatly enhances the opportunity for somebody to fort heavily into the aircraft positions and this could lessen other players opportunities to gain a stronghold somewhere to win the game.
Perhaps the artillery could just be a bombardment aspect.


my problem is you can have troops into the aircraft drop on the bomb and then attack units on the ground
it is something like a parachutists attack and I don't think it is what you had in mind
that's why I propose aircrafts are only bombarding positions
if someone is stupid enough to heavily fort into a position you can not go out I don't think he will be able to win the game
and to be historically accurate I don't think holding the city was the key to win the battle
on the contrary holding the city was a trap for both armies until russian managed to cut the city from any supply
maybe target zone can be less than all the city positions by leaving the bomb symbol in the zone but not as a position itself
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Re: [POLL] WWII - Stalingrad V8

Postby cairnswk on Fri May 22, 2009 2:42 pm

pamoa wrote:....
my problem is you can have troops into the aircraft drop on the bomb and then attack units on the ground
it is something like a parachutists attack and I don't think it is what you had in mind
that's why I propose aircrafts are only bombarding positions


What i had in mind was not parachutists, pamoa, but that aircraft drop troops/ammo on bombs which then can kill infantry/armour.

if someone is stupid enough to heavily fort into a position you can not go out I don't think he will be able to win the game
and to be historically accurate I don't think holding the city was the key to win the battle
on the contrary holding the city was a trap for both armies until russian managed to cut the city from any supply
maybe target zone can be less than all the city positions by leaving the bomb symbol in the zone but not as a position itself


what is not on the attacks legend, and this is my mistake, is that artillery, infantry and armour can attack bombs.
i'll consider your option for target zone...see what others think about it also. :)
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