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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V2) - New Silhouette

Postby barterer2002 on Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:47 pm

Much clearer cairns, thanks. I still think that H and K lines look almost identical in color and would prefer one of them to be a different color but with the clearer station markings I can certainly figure out what is what.

I think I would disagree with those who want to change the coloring substantially in the backgrounds. The tradition of the rail series has been the starker backgrounds. Each of the other three are solid grey/black/brown type maps. I much prefer this background to the one in Australia which I find a little difficult to read (I'm not suggesting to do anything with that one-just comparing the two) and I find this grey to be easier on the eyes that Europe also.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V2) - New Silhouette

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:53 pm

Night Strike wrote:Did you forget a couple of D army circles and a few others? If you want the stations to share the army circle, perhaps put the letters on each side of the circle rather than top/bottom. The top one looks empty with the top/bottom approach.

No i haven't forgotten the D army circles, those stations are shared.
We have gone over this before in other maps, and the preference is to place them on top, on the right they get covered by the army numbers, and on the left the width becomes too wide to fit stations in certain places. Thus the vertical placement is preferred.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V2) - New Silhouette

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:55 pm

Night Strike wrote:I don't know if having the letter identifications between each army circle is going to work on the hubs because I can see some major colorblind issues with it.

Yes i thought about that also. I will see what other design is appropriate there, but something with the silhouetted style of Africa.

H and K lines have too similar of a color to stay together both in the hub and coming out of it.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:58 pm

MrBenn wrote:...
I'd rather see some of the other stuff make it ;-)

thanks MrBenn for your comments. Let's see how everything pans. ;)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V2) - New Silhouette

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:19 pm

barterer2002 wrote:Much clearer cairns, thanks. I still think that H and K lines look almost identical in color and would prefer one of them to be a different color but with the clearer station markings I can certainly figure out what is what.
Colour changed next version to a brown

I think I would disagree with those who want to change the coloring substantially in the backgrounds. The tradition of the rail series has been the starker backgrounds. Each of the other three are solid grey/black/brown type maps. I much prefer this background to the one in Australia which I find a little difficult to read (I'm not suggesting to do anything with that one-just comparing the two) and I find this grey to be easier on the eyes that Europe also.

Yes i thought it was easier on the eyes given all the different colours on it that are reflective of the different African cultures. :)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V2) - New Silhouette

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:21 pm

Night Strike wrote: Putting pyramids on the map would also be nice.

As in silhouettes?
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:53 am

Version 3.

1. Removed the dark drop shadow on the continent.
2. Fixed those incorrect station identities
3. Changed the colour on the Inlander Line to brown
4. Inserted a B & W print of the Nairobi Railway Stations in the back ground
5. The legend will probably go for a simple railway type sign as it is very big.

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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby captainwalrus on Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:53 am

I like this much better. IS there a bonus for holding the main hubs? Why not?
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:46 am

the slats on the rail connections need to be much thinner or the connections be turned back into solid lines. as it stands now, they look like checkerboards.

title needs work too... that is seriously cliche and not very compelling, but i understand not mussing with it now.

really loving the lotus flower-like hubs. great idea.

overall this is looking promising. I've never played the other rail maps but they are interesting, and seeing the concept expanded is exciting.

when are we getting rail antarctica?
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby gimil on Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:38 pm

Just a small thought cairns.

Why not colour code the part of the legends that decodes territory names with the example you give? Sort of like this:

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Obviously better colour it than I did but you get the idea.

Oh, and your image is a few px to big ;)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby captainwalrus on Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:30 pm

The viper (J) is marked as I in a few places.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:53 pm

captainwalrus wrote:The viper (J) is marked as I in a few places.

thanks cappy...fixed next version
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 27, 2009 3:54 pm

gimil wrote:Just a small thought cairns.

Why not colour code the part of the legends that decodes territory names with the example you give? Sort of like this:

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Obviously better colour it than I did but you get the idea.

Oh, and your image is a few px to big ;)

All fixed. Thanks Gimil :)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby melech14 on Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:03 pm

this looks like a great map. nice bright/highly contrasting colors - and the black rails - and the white background on territory markers make this easier to read.

if the white territory markers were a bit larger than the number text, then it would be even better.

any idea when this map will be done?
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V3)P3 -New Background

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:25 pm

melech14 wrote:this looks like a great map. nice bright/highly contrasting colors - and the black rails - and the white background on territory markers make this easier to read.

if the white territory markers were a bit larger than the number text, then it would be even better.

any idea when this map will be done?


Thanks Melech14 for commenting. We have to get it out of Drafts first, before it even looks like becoming a map.
Version 4 shortly.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)

Postby cairnswk on Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:32 pm

Version 4.

1. Added railway carriages to the Nairobi Railway station
2. added simple african triangle design border in earthy colours
3. put colour to the suggestions by Gimil for the "destructions"
4. changed the "line indicators" on the map to longer thicker lines so they don't look like checker boards
5. Added two bonuses for the RBK and PRA stations

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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby captainwalrus on Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:42 pm

What are the carriages? Nairobi looks just like all the other stations. I like this muchy more than when it started.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:03 pm

captainwalrus wrote:What are the carriages? Nairobi looks just like all the other stations. I like this muchy more than when it started.

In the background image, i've added carriages to Nairobi station to make it look more like a train station.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby Teflon Kris on Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:42 pm

Nice map so far - would have preferred an ancient river niger civilisation map though - maybe a project somebody might take up another time.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:06 pm

while I like the thinner rail lines, I think you misconstrued what I was getting at. The slats themselves (the colored portions) are too thick compared to the black portions. There should be a few more of them and they should be thinner.

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now that I think about it they may also look better if they stuck out a tiny bit past the black sections. And maybe you could go whole hog and add little metal rails to either side (the actual "rail" part of the railroad)

and if i may ask, why did you choose Rabak as one of the main hubs? it's not a very large or influential city. cairo or nairboi would make more sense.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:00 pm

DJ Teflon wrote:Nice map so far - would have preferred an ancient river niger civilisation map though - maybe a project somebody might take up another time.

Mmmm. i think that belongs in the other Africa thread in suggestions. I was always going to do this map, and Asia and South America will come eventually also. Thanks anyway, DJ Teflon. :)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:18 pm

SultanOfSurreal wrote:while I like the thinner rail lines, I think you misconstrued what I was getting at. The slats themselves (the colored portions) are too thick compared to the black portions. There should be a few more of them and they should be thinner.

http://lh5.google.com/pjczech/Rvf0Wg2z1 ... aucus1.jpg

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/9629.jpg

Sultan, i can only view one of these images to understand what you are getting at. The last one comes up Forbidden 403



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An Indian railway stations has no relevance for this map, but i will keep it in mind for the Aisa rail map when i do that later.

now that I think about it they may also look better if they stuck out a tiny bit past the black sections. And maybe you could go whole hog and add little metal rails to either side (the actual "rail" part of the railroad)

Not sure what you're getting at here either.

and if i may ask, why did you choose Rabak as one of the main hubs? it's not a very large or influential city. cairo or nairboi would make more sense.

This is not an Africa of present day map. A lot of these lines don't even exist today. If i did a map of existing lines, you wouldn't be able to play CC on it, because a lot of them don't connect across the continent.
It is future Rail Africa. On this map Cairo is not a major hub because it only has three station/line, where as Rabak has been allocated 5 and makes a sensible crossroad. Nairobi would not make a good 5 stations hub as i could only justify two/three stations there and those would involve creating more stations south of NYL.
The other consideration that must be made when designing something like thus is real estate, Where can one fit a large hub and create the graphics that allow a large 5 stations terminal. It was a huge consideration on this map. :)
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby SultanOfSurreal on Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:09 pm

cairnswk wrote:
SultanOfSurreal wrote:while I like the thinner rail lines, I think you misconstrued what I was getting at. The slats themselves (the colored portions) are too thick compared to the black portions. There should be a few more of them and they should be thinner.

http://lh5.google.com/pjczech/Rvf0Wg2z1 ... aucus1.jpg

http://www.panoramio.com/photos/original/9629.jpg

Sultan, i can only view one of these images to understand what you are getting at. The last one comes up Forbidden 403



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An Indian railway stations has no relevance for this map, but i will keep it in mind for the Aisa rail map when i do that later.


That's how railroads across the world look. They have thin slats of wood very close together, and two rails on top. The slats of wood jut past the rails.

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if you're trying to make the connections look like rail lines then you should make the colored portions (which I assume represent the wooden portion of the railroad) thinner and closer together.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)P3 - New Frame, Carriages & Design Elements

Postby cairnswk on Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:22 pm

SultanOfSurreal wrote:if you're trying to make the connections look like rail lines then you should make the colored portions (which I assume represent the wooden portion of the railroad) thinner and closer together.

Oh that's what you're talking about.
I wanted to give this map a different flavour for the rail connections, but we'll see what the rest of the community thinks.
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Re: RAIL AFRICA (V4)

Postby cairnswk on Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:18 am

Version 4.

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