Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever
Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 2:39 pm
There isn't a need for Arabic numbers with this update. So, why change the current system?
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chapcrap wrote:There isn't a need for Arabic numbers with this update. So, why change the current system?
Dukasaur wrote:HighlanderAttack wrote:The only thing is some people think it skews the medal table too much, but they are virtual medals so what is the big deal. Unfortunately because I stand to gain the most from a change like that-some will say I am biased toward a change like that. Reality is I have always wanted it like this-even when I was just starting off in the tourney world.
That's exactly the problem. If you can continue getting more medals just for doing more of the same, it basically becomes a type of farming. A medal system is supposed to reward you for stretching yourself in new directions and looking for new challenges. Running your first tournament is a big milestone, running your 291st is not.
Ideally a medal system should be logarithmic. If you get a medal for running your first tournament, it should take ten tournaments to get your second, and a hundred to get your third. and a thousand to get your fourth. (The multipliler doesn't have to be 10; if an activity is inherently more difficult it can have a smaller multiplier.) That's approximately the way the gameplay medals go: it's easy to get bronze, a little harder to get silver, and much harder to get gold.
Gillipig wrote:chapcrap wrote:There isn't a need for Arabic numbers with this update. So, why change the current system?
As far as I know the suggestion that has been approved, is the one where roman numerals will end at "L" or "50", so roman numerals are staying, unfortunately.
qwert wrote:Gillipig wrote:chapcrap wrote:There isn't a need for Arabic numbers with this update. So, why change the current system?
As far as I know the suggestion that has been approved, is the one where roman numerals will end at "L" or "50", so roman numerals are staying, unfortunately.
unfortunately,when mods suggest something ,then these its sealed for any other change. These its not any improvement at all.
Now you need to wait another 3-4 years, so that some new mods finally accept logical solution, who will fix these for very long time.
I dont know why i even waste time in these topic?
qwert wrote:Gillipig wrote:chapcrap wrote:There isn't a need for Arabic numbers with this update. So, why change the current system?
As far as I know the suggestion that has been approved, is the one where roman numerals will end at "L" or "50", so roman numerals are staying, unfortunately.
unfortunately,when mods suggest something ,then these its sealed for any other change. These its not any improvement at all.
Now you need to wait another 3-4 years, so that some new mods finally accept logical solution, who will fix these for very long time.
I dont know why i even waste time in these topic?
agentcom wrote:All the medals have some sort of "cap." With the standard medals, they are capped at 3: Bronze, silver, gold. After that you just have to play standard games (or whatever) for fun, points, prestige, clan wins, etc. That is, something other than medals. The same goes for tournaments: after you've won 30 you can still enter more tournaments, but you don't also get the medal out of it. You can continue to do it to move up the Hall of Fame or for fun or whatever reason, but medals won't really be your goal.
agentcom wrote:To me this is a minor change that will award a few more medals to those that have gone so far above and beyond the current cap of 30 that they almost demand recognition.
jricart wrote:So whats the point then on changing the cap if in the future we will have the same discussion?
JRT
Gillipig wrote:jricart wrote:So whats the point then on changing the cap if in the future we will have the same discussion?
JRT
That's the thing, There is no point with this suggestion. If we change to Arabic numerals we won't need to deal with this again. And if we change to a Bronze, Siliver, Gold, system, we also won't need to deal with this again. But just sticking with roman numerals won't solve anything, and we'll soon have this discussion again.
We're sweeping dust under the mat.
qwert wrote:here two examples.
in first you have roman numeral, who unfortunately only count to 30, but in second you can see that Arabic numeral can count up to 999.
When we look on Tournament hall of fame, most Organized Tournament have merch 313- 296 Tournaments, these mean if he want to reach 999 he need to next 9 years create 6,5 tournaments each month. Now in Winner hall of fame Highlander attack have most wins 291-if you look when he join CC, he each month win 5,38 tournaments. In these tempo, he need another 11 years to reach 999 wining tournaments. So in a very long run, you will solve these , only need to change roman with Arabic.
And everybody happy.Case close.
qwert wrote:here two examples.
in first you have roman numeral, who unfortunately only count to 30, but in second you can see that Arabic numeral can count up to 999.
When we look on Tournament hall of fame, most Organized Tournament have merch 313- 296 Tournaments, these mean if he want to reach 999 he need to next 9 years create 6,5 tournaments each month. Now in Winner hall of fame Highlander attack have most wins 291-if you look when he join CC, he each month win 5,38 tournaments. In these tempo, he need another 11 years to reach 999 wining tournaments. So in a very long run, you will solve these , only need to change roman with Arabic.
And everybody happy.Case close.
Dukasaur wrote:qwert wrote:here two examples.
in first you have roman numeral, who unfortunately only count to 30, but in second you can see that Arabic numeral can count up to 999.
When we look on Tournament hall of fame, most Organized Tournament have merch 313- 296 Tournaments, these mean if he want to reach 999 he need to next 9 years create 6,5 tournaments each month. Now in Winner hall of fame Highlander attack have most wins 291-if you look when he join CC, he each month win 5,38 tournaments. In these tempo, he need another 11 years to reach 999 wining tournaments. So in a very long run, you will solve these , only need to change roman with Arabic.
And everybody happy.Case close.
No, everybody NOT happy. Get it through your head that we do not want people to get 999 medals for doing the same thing over and over again like robots. Medals are supposed to be for stretching yourself in NEW directions, for trying NEW accomplishments, for setting HIGHER goals.
Cranking out medals ad infinitum is just devaluing the currency. What we are talking about is a REASONABLE increase in the medal cap, not 999.
HighlanderAttack wrote:The cap of thirty is because of Roman Numerals, not because it was deemed a worthy achievement.
jricart wrote:So whats the point then on changing the cap if in the future we will have the same discussion?
JRT
Gillipig wrote:jricart wrote:So whats the point then on changing the cap if in the future we will have the same discussion?
JRT
That's the thing, There is no point with this suggestion. If we change to Arabic numerals we won't need to deal with this again. And if we change to a Bronze, Siliver, Gold, system, we also won't need to deal with this again. But just sticking with roman numerals won't solve anything, and we'll soon have this discussion again.
We're sweeping dust under the mat.
qwert wrote:What wrong with you? i give mine suggestion and opinion, are these forbidden? Like i say earlier, its look that we have two opposite side here-Mods and Community, Mods want one thing and community want second thing, Now its look that new solution will be to open completely new suggestion topic with new suggestion, because you are not open for any other opinions.
But then we will have problem, because you oppose any other opinion ,no mater if these possible or not .
People need to get what they want, if someone want to win tournament like Robot, over and over again( like highlander), maybe he enjoy in these?
koontz1973 wrote:My vote goes for qwert to make the 999 new medals we need for each one.
So 999 forSo that is another 6993 medals that need to be made. At one every 10 minutes, it would take 1165 hours to do. If qwert is willing to spend that much time on this, I am willing to change my support to qwerts idea.
- Training Achievement
- Tournament Achievement
- General Achievement
- Clan Achievement
- Map Contribution
- Tournament Contribution
- General Contribution
Considering when the medals first came out in "08", I very much doubt their was any inkling that players would be making 200+ tournaments, winning 200+ tournaments or making more than 30 maps.
qwert wrote:What wrong with you? i give mine suggestion and opinion, are these forbidden? Like i say earlier, its look that we have two opposite side here-Mods and Community, Mods want one thing and community want second thing,
HighlanderAttack wrote:We have less than 15 people debating on this topic. I have given my two cents earlier with my two ways I would do things. There would be no cap either way. There is either an out right medal count or an achievement level medal type like the majority of the medals in my opinion. Again, someone compile the ideas and let there be a vote. Debating about caps on virtual medals (non tangible and all in all meaningless for the most part) is always going to be a he said she said opinion thing. There is no right or wrong as everyone has their opinion. If this site wants to do what is right it would let the people vote on as many ideas that we can come up with. It would not be hard to accomplish this. If you do not do it this way, the mods basically are dictators and you will do it our way and like it kind of people.