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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:01 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:I already posted once that this discussion is over. I shouldn't need to say it twice.

This...

Metsfanmax wrote:Let's move the discussion on to something else, please. We don't actually gain anything by debating about which activity is harder to do.


...does not equate to discussion is over... :) except to you.

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Metsfanmax wrote:I already posted once that this discussion is over. I shouldn't need to say it twice.

if the discussion is over then lock the thread, otherwise we can continue


...and yes i agree with greenoaks.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:55 pm

I was referring specifically to the discussion about whether tournament organizing or map-making is harder (which is obvious if you've read the original post to which I referred). If that continues, I will indeed lock the thread.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby cairnswk on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:02 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:I was referring specifically to the discussion about whether tournament organizing or map-making is harder (which is obvious if you've read the original post to which I referred). If that continues, I will indeed lock the thread.

Well aware of that... :) but i think if people want that discussion they'll have it here or somewhere else...topics quite often go off-track, but it doesn't help threatening ;)
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:15 pm

cairnswk wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:I was referring specifically to the discussion about whether tournament organizing or map-making is harder (which is obvious if you've read the original post to which I referred). If that continues, I will indeed lock the thread.

Well aware of that... :) but i think if people want that discussion they'll have it here or somewhere else...topics quite often go off-track, but it doesn't help threatening ;)


They're welcome to have it wherever they want that is not in Suggestions. I am not threatening, simply explaining what will happen.

That is all.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:15 pm

well discussion was going in right direction,and then chapcrap start to compare maps and tournament.

i think that we conclude what are best option for these suggestion,and dont thing that someone can find much better option.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:13 pm

Once again this topic comes up. What no one has realized or at least stated, these medals are virtual and do not cost money to produce(for the most part). Caps are ridiculous in my opinion.

Just like some tourneys are much more valued and important to me (both running and winning), all of the categories for gaining a medal come with less or more value. Unless you add a time factor for each medal you cannot numerically give credit of less or more value in a medal.

Since the medals are a basic count for an achievement, that is what they should be (a count). You have counts associated with most medals consisting of bronze, silver, and gold. Either make all the medals the same with the three medal colors, or use the Arabic numbers to indicate how many medals you have for each category. I would actually prefer the bronze, silver and gold, and then have a database where you can search each category like the Tournament tabs we have in the tournament world.

The thing is, everyone has their opinion and no way we will ever agree which way is right. Importance of a single medal is in the eye of the beholder anyway. If I made a map and got credit for one medal for making a map, I believe that would be more important to me than the thirty capped amount I have for winning tourneys. I think it was LMS who made a point of listing 30 old tourneys under the medal. In my case, I agree-why bother listing the first thirty tourneys I made and ran under each capped medal (looks just ridiculous). Don't list any.

There are many ways to get a medal. Crazy idiots like me will get a lot of them. Medal hunters will get a lot of them. It still comes down to what do they mean to you. I threw away over 20 real trophies a few years ago. I took pictures of them and moved on. I sometimes regret that decision, but in reality, they just took up space. I know what I accomplished with the real trophies. I know what I have accomplished insanely with CC.

Someone hopefully will make a decision on this one day, but even if they do and things change, the real meaning of a virtual medal is an individuals meaning and not much more.

Add this thread to the many times it has been suggested, then someone make a real decision, or more on until the next time it gets suggested--have fun.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:35 pm

Wow, did not even realize this is not even in real suggestions anymore. Someone will start this topic again.

I am happy for DICKtator Metsfanmax he can flex his virtual muscles and move this to a suggestion not worthy of being on the front page.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:42 pm

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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:42 pm

HighlanderAttack wrote:Wow, did not even realize this is not even in real suggestions anymore. Someone will start this topic again.

I am happy for DICKtator Metsfanmax he can flex his virtual muscles and move this to a suggestion not worthy of being on the front page.


HighlanderAttack, this suggestion is in the "Submitted Suggestions", which means it's been submitted to me and the programmer to actually be done! Besides that, we can be cordial to the Volunteer Team and I'm sure it will be reciprocated.

While I'm here, a minor update:

There's a process nailed down for each department, and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!

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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby MoB Deadly on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:44 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
HighlanderAttack wrote:Wow, did not even realize this is not even in real suggestions anymore. Someone will start this topic again.

I am happy for DICKtator Metsfanmax he can flex his virtual muscles and move this to a suggestion not worthy of being on the front page.


HighlanderAttack, this suggestion is in the "Submitted Suggestions", which means it's been submitted to me and the programmer to actually be done! Besides that, we can be cordial to the Volunteer Team and I'm sure it will be reciprocated.

While I'm here, a minor update:

There's a process nailed down for each department, and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!

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=D> =D> =D> I am glad to hear it.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:48 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
HighlanderAttack wrote:Wow, did not even realize this is not even in real suggestions anymore. Someone will start this topic again.

I am happy for DICKtator Metsfanmax he can flex his virtual muscles and move this to a suggestion not worthy of being on the front page.


HighlanderAttack, this suggestion is in the "Submitted Suggestions", which means it's been submitted to me and the programmer to actually be done! Besides that, we can be cordial to the Volunteer Team and I'm sure it will be reciprocated.

While I'm here, a minor update:

There's a process nailed down for each department, and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!

BMO


This forum is a storehouse for all Finalized Suggestions to be periodically reviewed during Feature Updates.
--I took this as like an archive then. My apologies. I am glad to hear it.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:06 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:...and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!
BMO

rdsrds2120, will the update be arabic numerals (as i have shown) or are we sticking with the roman numerals?
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:15 pm

cairnswk wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:...and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!
BMO

rdsrds2120, will the update be arabic numerals (as i have shown) or are we sticking with the roman numerals?


For technical feasibility reasons, we're currently looking at sticking with Roman numerals. Arabic numerals are not off the table, however.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:27 pm

cairnswk wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:...and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!
BMO

rdsrds2120, will the update be arabic numerals (as i have shown) or are we sticking with the roman numerals?


Metsfanmax wrote:
cairnswk wrote:
rdsrds2120 wrote:...and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!
BMO

rdsrds2120, will the update be arabic numerals (as i have shown) or are we sticking with the roman numerals?


For technical feasibility reasons, we're currently looking at sticking with Roman numerals. Arabic numerals are not off the table, however.


What Mets said! I have to see how they look first, and then decide, though I am hoping to stay with Roman Numerals where it's feasible and doesn't clutter up the medal image.

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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:35 pm

cairnswk wrote:...

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Is there anything wrong with these?
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:36 pm

I think it should be uniform all around unless you can weigh importance-which is subjective. Just make them all bronze Silver and Gold and add Platinum for miles stones.

Or add the arabic numbers to the current system that totals accomplishments.

I also think map makers deserves more special recognition.



This would be my official stance on the whole thing :)
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:39 pm

cairnswk wrote:
cairnswk wrote:...

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Is there anything wrong with these?



The only thing is some people think it skews the medal table too much, but they are virtual medals so what is the big deal. Unfortunately because I stand to gain the most from a change like that-some will say I am biased toward a change like that. Reality is I have always wanted it like this-even when I was just starting off in the tourney world.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Fri Jan 04, 2013 4:57 pm

HighlanderAttack wrote:I think it should be uniform all around unless you can weigh importance-which is subjective. Just make them all bronze Silver and Gold and add Platinum for miles stones.

Or add the arabic numbers to the current system that totals accomplishments.

I also think map makers deserves more special recognition.



This would be my official stance on the whole thing :)

Bronze, silver, gold, platinum for all types of medals is probably the best solution. As it deals with the inevitable inflation of some types of medals. Different standards could be set for different types of medals.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:01 pm

cairnswk wrote:
cairnswk wrote:...

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Is there anything wrong with these?


Not necessarily! I am not opposed to using them for the sake of them, I would just prefer to have one system. If it proves to be unavoidable, I have on qualms with including Arabic numerals.

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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Swifte on Fri Jan 04, 2013 5:57 pm

Until this is implemented, I will just have to stare at the cup I made for myself. Perhaps others will get joy from it as well :)

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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:41 pm

Swifte wrote:Until this is implemented, I will just have to stare at the cup I made for myself. Perhaps others will get joy from it as well :)

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I am making one for myself tonight too
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:47 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote:
HighlanderAttack wrote:Wow, did not even realize this is not even in real suggestions anymore. Someone will start this topic again.

I am happy for DICKtator Metsfanmax he can flex his virtual muscles and move this to a suggestion not worthy of being on the front page.


HighlanderAttack, this suggestion is in the "Submitted Suggestions", which means it's been submitted to me and the programmer to actually be done! Besides that, we can be cordial to the Volunteer Team and I'm sure it will be reciprocated.

While I'm here, a minor update:

There's a process nailed down for each department, and I am now just waiting on the medal images to be made. Update coming soon(ish)!

BMO

Its will be good to know what are you have in mind?
Now many people like Cairns, and Higlander, give hes sugestions,and its look that you have own sugestion but we dont know what is it ?
Romans are hard to be used, because they are to long(XXX present only number 30) , and arabic can in very long run be good solution(999- these its very long number and i can not find player who are come close to 1/3 of these number).
Also arabic could be very usefull because implementation of other medal sugestion could be done much faster(like mine Unique map achievement medal)


edit: now when i look on mine medals,i notice that you have 4 digit place (XVII), these mean that if you implement Arabic, then you could seal these for very long time,because its hard for me to see that some in near future can come to 9999 medals.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby cairnswk on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:56 pm

Gillipig wrote:...
Bronze, silver, gold, platinum for all types of medals is probably the best solution. As it deals with the inevitable inflation of some types of medals. Different standards could be set for different types of medals.

I'd be quite happy to have this, as long as it provides functionality, but it still doesn't solve the numeric issue on the medals.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:58 pm

qwert wrote:Its will be good to know what are you have in mind?
Now many people like Cairns, and Higlander, give hes sugestions,and its look that you have own sugestion but we dont know what is it ?
Romans are hard to be used, because they are to long(XXX present only number 30) , and arabic can in very long run be good solution(999- these its very long number and i can not find player who are come close to 1/3 of these number).
Also arabic could be very usefull because implementation of other medal sugestion could be done much faster(like mine Unique map achievement medal)


edit: now when i look on mine medals,i notice that you have 4 digit place (XVII), these mean that if you implement Arabic, then you could seal these for very long time,because its hard for me to see that some in near future can come to 9999 medals.



When I read your suggestion I was shocked it had not been talked about. A simple and easy suggestion if we are going to give a lot of medals away.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Swifte on Fri Jan 04, 2013 7:08 pm

qwert and HA, I talked to rds in chat today and he confirmed the plan is to go with something like agentcom's suggestion, not lots and lots of medals. There will be intervals, 50, 100, ... don't know from there.

rdsrds2120 wrote:Hey there everyone! It looks like a scale (such as agentcoms) will be used for the update. Please stay tuned for this (hopefully soon) implementation.

BMO



rdsrds2120 wrote:
agentcom wrote:This is something that the admin have recently become interested in for whatever reason. Therefore, I am going to STICKY this to draw some more attention to it.

My vote is still to maintain the tradition of the roman numerals and award additional medals at a staggered level of perhaps 50 ("L"), 100 ("C") and 200 ("CC").

There will still be an imbalance in how easy medals are to earn, but I don't really see the problem of having someone like Highlanderattack getting 3 more medals for all the tourneys he's organized. And I can't wait to see cairns get the only "L" cartography medal :)


I think the pure genius of coincidence of Roman Numeral 200 being "CC" is almost enough by itself to pick up this template for raising the cap :P. This is something that I'd like to be working on for you guys, since it's something I can help out with without all of the programming, etc! I feel like raising the medal caps is a quick small thing that I can do that affects a lot of players greatly. After all -- who doesn't like having that awesome personal goal? Now maybe to hammer out a plan :)

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