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Do you agree with the concept of 3 different Military Paths, each with its own rank?

Yes, although I think the old path should still be an option (4-Path)
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Yes, I agree fully with qwert's proposed 3-Path System
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Yes, I want new ranks, but not the 3-Path System
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Yes, I like the new ranks but not the graphics
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No, the ranks are fine as they are
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby yeti_c on Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:14 am

qwert wrote:well aim experimen with new options.
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I'd still say that this is too weighted towards the top end of the spectrum...

MrBenns were better as there were some closer ranks in the midfield.

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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby MrBenn on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:26 am

The difference being that my list had 23 ranks, Qwert's got 20 in his...
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Kemmler on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:37 am

I like the new icons. he's spent some time on them, they should be used
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby yeti_c on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:43 am

I think mainly that it's the

6 100 point jumps (to Staff Sargeant)
2 200 point jumps (to Officer Candidate)
2 300 point jumps (to Lieutenant)
3 400 point jumps (to Lieutenant Colonel)
2 500 point jump (to Bridadier)
2 600 point jumps (to Field Marshall)

The inconsistency of the boundaries is weird...

It should flow something like 6 4 3 2 1

i.e.

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2400 (4 200 point jumps)
2400 - 3300 (3 300 point jumps)
3300 - 4100 (2 400 point jumps)
4100 - 4600 (1 500 point jump)

As that works a lot better for the sort of distribution we want...

Although I agree that 4600 is too low... (and a weird number) so perhaps a tweak to something like...

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2600 (5 200 point jumps)
2600 - 3800 (4 300 point jumps)
3800 - 5000 (3 400 point jumps)
5000 - 6000 (2 500 point jump)

And then leaving the option of adding another one in 2 years (or whatever) time...
6000 - 7000 (1 1000 point jump)

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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby MrBenn on Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:21 am

Just been browsing and found this useful list of military ranks at http://homepages.shu.ac.uk/~acsdry/ranks.htm:
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I also found a nice chart of different military rank symbols from different countries, which I will post as a link due to the large size of the image.http://www.morh.hr/osrh/data/comp/all_ranks.jpg
I thought it was interesting that most countries appear to use a logically progressive style of 'logo' as the ranks progress, except for the US, which doesn't appear to have a logical sequence at officer level...
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Shino Tenshi on Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:14 am

qwert wrote:well aim experimen with new options.
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I'm not sure that I like the higher ranked icons with the straight bars. They look too similar to the low-rank cadet/private icons.

As yeti_c mentioned, points wise, I think it's a little top heavy as well.
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:46 am

by yeti_c on Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:43 am

I think mainly that it's the

6 100 point jumps (to Staff Sargeant)
2 200 point jumps (to Officer Candidate)
2 300 point jumps (to Lieutenant)
3 400 point jumps (to Lieutenant Colonel)
2 500 point jump (to Bridadier)
2 600 point jumps (to Field Marshall)

The inconsistency of the boundaries is weird...

It should flow something like 6 4 3 2 1

i.e.

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2400 (4 200 point jumps)
2400 - 3300 (3 300 point jumps)
3300 - 4100 (2 400 point jumps)
4100 - 4600 (1 500 point jump)

As that works a lot better for the sort of distribution we want...

Although I agree that 4600 is too low... (and a weird number) so perhaps a tweak to something like...

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2600 (5 200 point jumps)
2600 - 3800 (4 300 point jumps)
3800 - 5000 (3 400 point jumps)
5000 - 6000 (2 500 point jump)

And then leaving the option of adding another one in 2 years (or whatever) time...
6000 - 7000 (1 1000 point jump)

Well if you go 4600 point then these is same like now,but these second can be good.
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Shino Tenshi on Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:27 am

yeti_c wrote:I think mainly that it's the

6 100 point jumps (to Staff Sargeant)
2 200 point jumps (to Officer Candidate)
2 300 point jumps (to Lieutenant)
3 400 point jumps (to Lieutenant Colonel)
2 500 point jump (to Bridadier)
2 600 point jumps (to Field Marshall)

The inconsistency of the boundaries is weird...

It should flow something like 6 4 3 2 1

i.e.

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2400 (4 200 point jumps)
2400 - 3300 (3 300 point jumps)
3300 - 4100 (2 400 point jumps)
4100 - 4600 (1 500 point jump)

As that works a lot better for the sort of distribution we want...

Although I agree that 4600 is too low... (and a weird number) so perhaps a tweak to something like...

1000 - 1600 (6 100 point jumps)
1600 - 2600 (5 200 point jumps)
2600 - 3800 (4 300 point jumps)
3800 - 5000 (3 400 point jumps)
5000 - 6000 (2 500 point jump)

And then leaving the option of adding another one in 2 years (or whatever) time...
6000 - 7000 (1 1000 point jump)

C.


I like the second set of scores that yeti_c has suggested here. It would provide a nice spread and also provide a number of newer ranks to be added.
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:15 pm

i mean to say 3 set,because second set is same like now.
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:54 pm

My 2 thoughts for possible rank scores are shown below:

Cook 1 1
Volunteer 600 500
Cadet 750 750
Private 900 1000
Private 1st Class 1000 1200
Lance Corporal 1100 1400
Corporal 1200 1600
Corporal 1st Class 1300 1800
Sergeant 1400 2000
Sergeant 1st Class 1500 2200
Sergeant Major 1600 2400
Warrant Officer 1800 2600
Lieutenant 2000 2800
Captain 2200 3000
Major 2400 3200
Lieutenant Colonel 2600 3400
Colonel 2800 3600
Brigadier 3000 3800
Major General 3500 4000
Lieutenant General 4000 4500
General 4500 5000
Field Marshal 5000 6000


Updated in blue with revamped scores, how's that? all increase mostly by 200 points? except the very bottom and very top.

Also, the higher rank symbols need more weight or to be made bigger than the middle and smaller ones.



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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:59 pm

qwert wrote:well aim experimen with new options.
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this is a little better I think than your previous 2, now if you added volunteer and lance corporal then the gaps at the top may be a little closer together which would be more reasonable
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:43 pm

this is a little better I think than your previous 2, now if you added volunteer and lance corporal then the gaps at the top may be a little closer together which would be more reasonable

Lance Corporal-these is same rank with Private first class.

Also, the higher rank symbols need more weight or to be made bigger than the middle and smaller ones.



respects, blitz

Can someon tell me wich size is aloved for Rank Icons?
Updated in blue with revamped scores, how's that? all increase mostly by 200 points? except the very bottom and very top.

Intersting scoring,but you have new rank Sergeant MAjor.

I have 5 new ranks
Mrbeen have 8 new ranks.
Do we putt all availabile ranks in scoring?
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Blitzaholic on Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:04 pm

qwert wrote:
this is a little better I think than your previous 2, now if you added volunteer and lance corporal then the gaps at the top may be a little closer together which would be more reasonable

Lance Corporal-these is same rank with Private first class.

Also, the higher rank symbols need more weight or to be made bigger than the middle and smaller ones.



respects, blitz

Can someon tell me wich size is aloved for Rank Icons?
Updated in blue with revamped scores, how's that? all increase mostly by 200 points? except the very bottom and very top.

Intersting scoring,but you have new rank Sergeant MAjor.


I have 5 new ranks
Mrbeen have 8 new ranks.
Do we putt all availabile ranks in scoring?



THATS UP TO YOU QWERT
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:58 pm

THATS UP TO YOU QWERT

Dimension of icon is not up to me ;)
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby MrBenn on Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:55 pm

I think the current rank icons are all 18 x 18 pixels - there's not a lot of room to play with!
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:48 pm

Yes you right MrBenn ;)
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby samwisebrady on Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:24 pm

i hate the new ranks personally
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Shino Tenshi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 4:59 am

samwisebrady wrote:i hate the new ranks personally


Perhaps you can make some sort of constructive suggestion to improve them then?
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:10 am

here some new
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby lozzini on Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:14 am

looks great but luitenant colornal looks a bit fuzzy and hard to tell which rank was highest if you dont know allready if that makes sense
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:29 am

by lozzini on Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:14 pm

looks great but luitenant colornal looks a bit fuzzy and hard to tell which rank was highest if you dont know allready if that makes sense

Well when i first time play RISK,i also dont know what rank icon present,and i go to INstruction. ;)
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby MrBenn on Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:26 am

These are looking good - I like them!

Here's my thoughts:

Volunteer; I dislike the 'pip', as I'm familiar with this indicating a more senior rank. Could this be a really thin bar?
Private; should still be a bent stripe v
Private first class; v + pip
Corporal; two stripes «
Corporal first class; two stripes + pip
Staff Sergeant; I'm not too keen on the red stripe; perhaps we could have a pip in the same place as the current Sgt 1st Class - and the new Sgt 1st Class as you've got it here.
Sgt 1st Class; the pip needs to be the same colour on the freemium version - as does the star on Sgt Major.
Warrant Officer; this icon looks out of place with the progression.
Major; this could be confused with a 'posh' private - perhaps introduce plain swords here? Or, Warrant Officer could be ¤; Lieutenant ¤¤; Captain ¤¤¤; Major ¤¤¤¤ (current Captain icon)
Lieutenant Colonel; Could be plain swords
Colonel; Swords & star (your Lt. Col.)
Brigadier; I'd make the coloured band slightly thinner, to be the same as Major General , or you could have swords here too??
Lieutenant General; Again, I'd make the coloured band slightly thinner.

Other comments:
We've forgotten about the Conqueror rank!
I thought we could add a scout between a cook and volunteer, with a fleur-de-lis icon?
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:54 am

Okay, a minor issue, but cooks are hardly the bottom rungs of the military any longer .. if they ever really were. (armies move on their stomaches, after all).

Why not change it to something truly on the bottom -- like "apprentice cadet" or some such.?

.. just a thought.

What about a TRULY bottom rung for those with under 200 points (you have to work to get that low). .. .something like "deadbeat", "traitor", "coward" ... even "latrine cleaner" ... etc.
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby lozzini on Mon Apr 21, 2008 11:43 am

qwert wrote:
by lozzini on Sun Apr 20, 2008 5:14 pm

looks great but luitenant colornal looks a bit fuzzy and hard to tell which rank was highest if you dont know allready if that makes sense

Well when i first time play RISK,i also dont know what rank icon present,and i go to INstruction. ;)



yes but some of us lower ranks are not used to these high ranks and even if we have read the instructions (which i clearly have) its easy to forget whether a start with a flame behind is higher than a start with something else behind... get it?
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Re: NEW RANKS-page 1

Postby Qwert on Mon Apr 21, 2008 4:37 pm

MrBenn can you show these visualy(pictures say better then words ;) )


yes but some of us lower ranks are not used to these high ranks and even if we have read the instructions (which i clearly have) its easy to forget whether a start with a flame behind is higher than a start with something else behind... get it?

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