Conquer Club

MoreTeaVicar wrote:I prefer the current style of insignia. They have a 'classic' or 'real' look to them. The majority of the suggested insignia have an almost cartoon look to them.

I agree, what's wrong with the style we use now? Other than this thread, I've never heard any complaints about it.

OK, I've been giving this a little bit of thought, and have a controversial and radical re-think of some new ranks.

I've got some pen sketches of possible graphics, so can't post them, but here's a new suggestion:

Junior Ranks
1 Conscientious Objector
500 Scout
600 Volunteer
700 Apprentice Cadet
800 Cadet
900 Senior Cadet

Enlisted Ranks
1000 Private
1100 Private 1st Class
1200 Lance Corporal
1300 Corporal
1400 Corporal 1st Class
1500 Sergeant
1600 Staff Sergeant
1700 Sergeant 1s Class
1800 Master Sergeant
1900 Sergeant Major

Officer Ranks
2000 Warrant Officer 2nd Class
2200 Warrant Officer 1st Class
2400 Chief Warrant Officer
2600 2nd Lieutenant
2800 Lieutenant
3000 Captain
3200 Major
3400 Lieutenant Colonel
3600 Colonel
3800 Lieutenant Commander

Commanding Ranks
4000 Commander
4400 Brigadier
4800 Major General
5200 Lieutenant General
5600 General
6000 Field Marshall

I have some doubt about Commander and Lieutenant Commander,its not going with other ranks.

The biggest change I've suggested is the creation of several 'junior' ranks. About 90% of players have a score below 1600, so this structure will give the majority of players some new targets to achieve. It would be nice to have some more discussion about this - there was plenty a while ago...

Anyway, here is a revised suggestion:

Junior Ranks
1 Conscientious Objector
400 Scout
600 Volunteer
700 Apprentice Cadet
800 Cadet
900 Senior Cadet or Ensign

Enlisted Ranks
1000 Private
1100 Private 1st Class
1200 Lance Corporal
1300 Corporal
1400 Corporal 1st Class
1500 Sergeant
1600 Staff Sergeant or Colour Sergeant
1700 Sergeant 1st Class
1800 Master Sergeant
1900 Sergeant Major

Company/Field Officer Ranks
2000 Warrant Officer 2nd Class
2200 Warrant Officer 1st Class
2400 Chief Warrant Officer
2600 2nd Lieutenant
2800 Lieutenant
3000 Lieutenant Captain
3200 Captain
3400 Captain Major
3600 Major
3800 Lieutenant Colonel
4000 Colonel

General Officer Ranks
4400 Brigadier General
4800 Major General
5200 Lieutenant General
5600 General
6000 Field Marshall
***** Conqueror

i love the idea of adding new ranks.
making the ranks at the end of the list(higher ones) harder to achive.
it would also be cool instead of just the "conquerer" make the top 10 people on the site a class.

I've spent a bit of time working on these; what do people think?

you can probbably add: commander, Brigadier, Marshal.

Maybe the Conqueror can be be upgraded to: Prince, King, Emperor Conqueror

you certainly need to differentiate between leftenent (phonetically) colonel and colonel. they are almost indistinguishable!

the rest.. you know i am used to the ranking as they are (again) but i can see a change may be worthwhile in the future and there are some lovely insignias there.

I kinda like the big point gaps between ranks - makes it seem bigger when you switch ranks rather than each being a little jump that means nothing.


Also I think anything below 900 should be a cook. There's no distinguishable difference between 900 points and less among players.

In my mind, the idea was to add some ranks to distinguish between the multitude of players on 'average' ranks; the thought being to add more ranks where the bulk of players are to give them extra incentive/something to strive to achieve.. I have churned through the scoreboard to get a feel for the balance of scores, and have come up with the following suggestion:

You'll notice that I have come up with something that vaguely correlates to the current structure - although instead of bulking out the higher ranks, effectively this has created some 'half-ranks'...

I think we already have enough ranks,but your icons look great.maybe we can change some of them for yours.

Nice work!

I would still like to see something other than "cook" ... something like latrine cleaner or scrubby, but I guess folks are attached to "cook".

Also, I think we do need something up higher. The folks who care most about rank are the folks up there. The rest don't really. We are mostly here to play, have fun. Medals are nice, but rank is ... not such a big deal.

Hmmm.. you're probably right about the medals having an impact on the perception of rank, although I still think that your rank is a better indication of how good you are v the number of games you've played.

The initial suggestions were about increasing the points required/adding in higher ranks. I looked through the numbers of players at each rank yesterday, and had never properly realised how few players of 'high rank' that there really are!... If you make it to Lieutenant, that puts you in the top 10% of players!

When I looked at the distribution of scores, I came up with the addition of '50pt' score boundaries which I've incorporated into the above suggestion. While I can see how the score-margins appear insignificantly small to a 'high-ranked' played, the sheer volume of people with scores at the 'lower' levels gives some credence to having point-margins like this (look at the % of players). Also consider that many of these 'lower' ranks include titles such as Lance-xxx or xxx-1st-Class as a way of interpreting them as some kind of 'half-ranks'.

MrBenn wrote:In my mind, the idea was to add some ranks to distinguish between the multitude of players on 'average' ranks; the thought being to add more ranks where the bulk of players are to give them extra incentive/something to strive to achieve.. I have churned through the scoreboard to get a feel for the balance of scores, and have come up with the following suggestion:

You'll notice that I have come up with something that vaguely correlates to the current structure - although instead of bulking out the higher ranks, effectively this has created some 'half-ranks'...

This is the most complete (and useful) suggestion of new ranks in this thread.

C.

PS - although you missed your lieutenant colonel out of your listing.

yeti_c wrote:

MrBenn wrote:In my mind, the idea was to add some ranks to distinguish between the multitude of players on 'average' ranks; the thought being to add more ranks where the bulk of players are to give them extra incentive/something to strive to achieve.. I have churned through the scoreboard to get a feel for the balance of scores, and have come up with the following suggestion:

You'll notice that I have come up with something that vaguely correlates to the current structure - although instead of bulking out the higher ranks, effectively this has created some 'half-ranks'...

This is the most complete (and useful) suggestion of new ranks in this thread.

C.

Thanks yeti.

yeti_c wrote:PS - although you missed your lieutenant colonel out of your listing.

Are you suggesting that there should be an extra rank between Major/Colonel:
2000 Captain
2300 Major
2600 Lt Colonel
3000 Colonel


Or are you alluding to the fact that some of the ideas I mentioned earlier on the page have vanished? When I reviewed the spread of ranks, I thought I was trying to squueze too many in...

Ever thought that the ranks are good as they are? I do at least

MrBenn wrote:Or are you alluding to the fact that some of the ideas I mentioned earlier on the page have vanished? When I reviewed the spread of ranks, I thought I was trying to squueze too many in...

This bit!!!

I assumed you'd translated the above list into the "before after" list... (which is confusing as it's an "after before" list which doesn't read well!!!)

I didn't realise you tweaked a few in/out. - either way my comment stands about your suggested ranks.

C.

Ranks already have less meaning after the last reset...

Points are points, they won't change with this change, just the meaning of rankings will be less significant.

qwert wrote:Well these is only mine opinion.
Now you have -Lieutenant,Captain,Major,Colonel,brigadier,General and Fiel MArshall over 2000 players.
With these new Score counting you will get only 160 players with high ranks and you will Create hard to get General and Field Marshal rank(now you have one Field Marshal,5 generals,25 brigadier,82 colonel,over 400 major,over 500 Captain,and almost 1000 Lieutenant)and these number can be biger,but i repeat again that these is only mine opinion.

Given 22,000+ players, I think you made the point that the ranks are hard enough to reach already...

Given 22,000+ players, I think you made the point that the ranks are hard enough to reach already...

no,new changes now we have 3 field marshal,9 generals and 26 brigadier(colonels i dont count because numbers is biger then last mine check)

If the change is implemented, what are the completed game requirements for each rank? Like how now you need 100 games to be a colonel. Any comments?

lancehoch wrote:If the change is implemented, what are the completed game requirements for each rank? Like how now you need 100 games to be a colonel. Any comments?

I'm not too sure about the number of games for the highest ranks... the only person at the top of the scorebpoard who might be adversely affected would by Thai Robert, who is currently a freemium Brigadier with 159 completed games...

I like all these new ranks, except for the really low ones. Having really low ranks could encourage intentional deadbeating and throwing of games to achieve the distinction as being the "Only Conscientious Objector".

I like the new ranks too.

MrBenn wrote:I've spent a bit of time working on these; what do people think?

this is much better than what we have, I like it