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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:55 pm

Keefie wrote:I don't think ACE have been around for long enough for decay to affect them.


There are small amounts of decay pretty quickly. Generally it takes 3-5 wars to get onto the board, with 4 being the average.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:57 pm

Also, I'll start collecting some information today for the next update. If you have any wars that are completing, please edit in the finished scores and if you can let me know the final games / dates. Happy Thanksgiving to all the Canadians out there!

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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:07 pm

Oh, and don't forget to look at the Dispatch for yet again a new ranking system coming out ;)

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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby Keefie on Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:16 pm

Keefie wrote:
IcePack wrote:Oh, and don't forget to look at the Dispatch for yet again a new ranking system coming out ;)

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If you do enough of them maybe HH will get to be top in one ???
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby iAmCaffeine on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:36 am

After our war with VVV I believe Aeternus will be ranked. Looking forward to that.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:49 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:After our war with VVV I believe Aeternus will be ranked. Looking forward to that.


How big is the war and when will it finish?
My guess is you'll need another.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby iAmCaffeine on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:59 am

IcePack wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:After our war with VVV I believe Aeternus will be ranked. Looking forward to that.


How big is the war and when will it finish?
My guess is you'll need another.


Well the current F400 update doesn't include our 61 game war with TLW. Our war against VVV is also 61 games and we've just started the final round.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:01 am

Oh. Then yeah you'll get on it
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:22 pm

this update will go out in the dispatch, ill post it a few days after the dispatch goes out.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby iAmCaffeine on Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:06 am

Obviously saw the ranking before published in the Dispatch, but very happy we're potentially 25th.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:32 am

Keefie wrote:
Keefie wrote:
IcePack wrote:Oh, and don't forget to look at the Dispatch for yet again a new ranking system coming out ;)

IcePack


If you do enough of them maybe HH will get to be top in one ???


Keefie always manages to make me smile :D Well said mate, and gl.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 1 Update]

Postby IcePack on Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:17 am

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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Crazyirishman on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:06 pm

Wow, there were some major swings inside the top 15 with 5 clans changing by 25+ points.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Leehar on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:13 pm

Crazyirishman wrote:Wow, there were some major swings inside the top 15 with 5 clans changing by 25+ points.

why the big swings for afos and ia? What were the recent changes there? CL5?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Genoke on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:19 pm

why does the new clans have no rating numbers?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Keefie on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:22 pm

Leehar wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:Wow, there were some major swings inside the top 15 with 5 clans changing by 25+ points.

why the big swings for afos and ia? What were the recent changes there? CL5?


More than likely.

AFOS 4 IA 12 9/30/2013 21:36:18
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Leehar on Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:44 pm

Keefie wrote:
Leehar wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:Wow, there were some major swings inside the top 15 with 5 clans changing by 25+ points.

why the big swings for afos and ia? What were the recent changes there? CL5?


More than likely.

AFOS 4 IA 12 9/30/2013 21:36:18
WAR 11 AFOS 5 9/30/2013 3:16:41
IA 12 FOED 4 10/3/2013 1:07:17


It could also actually be that the Afos win over IA a year ago(cc3 quarters) has perhaps reduced in weighting. We'll see the effect on the 1 year rank perhaps as well.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby IcePack on Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:10 pm

Genoke wrote:why does the new clans have no rating numbers?


Until you have 150 weight, your ratings dont count because there isn't enough information to be accurate yet.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Genoke on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:42 am

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Genoke wrote:why does the new clans have no rating numbers?


Until you have 150 weight, your ratings dont count because there isn't enough information to be accurate yet.

i thought 1 game = 1 weight, but apparently i'm wrong, since we finished 4 clan wars of 41 games.
how much is 1 weight?
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:03 am

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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby IcePack on Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:03 am

Genoke wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Genoke wrote:why does the new clans have no rating numbers?


Until you have 150 weight, your ratings dont count because there isn't enough information to be accurate yet.

i thought 1 game = 1 weight, but apparently i'm wrong, since we finished 4 clan wars of 41 games.
how much is 1 weight?


As wars get older, they decay. Which means the weights slowly go down. It happens to all clan weights, I'll give an example in a bit.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby jj3044 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:15 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:$20/hr

I'd give him a raise.
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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby IcePack on Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:26 pm

IcePack wrote:
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Until you have 150 weight, your ratings dont count because there isn't enough information to be accurate yet.

i thought 1 game = 1 weight, but apparently i'm wrong, since we finished 4 clan wars of 41 games.
how much is 1 weight?


As wars get older, they decay. Which means the weights slowly go down. It happens to all clan weights, I'll give an example in a bit.


Here is an example of 4 new clans.

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14
XXX BBB 21 20 02/01/14
XXX CCC 21 20 03/01/14
XXX DDD 21 20 04/01/14

Let's walk this through 2 times, once with XXX fighting all 4 wars, and one with only one.

Now, XXX clan beats AAA 21-20, and has 41 weight. (Jan)
Now, XXX enters Feb and no war, and has 39 weight. (Feb)
Now, XXX enters Mar and no war, and has 38 weight. (Mar)
Now, XXX enters Apr and no war, and has 36 weight. (Apr)

As you can see, they've fought a war but over the course of 3 month lost 5 weight. This is the "decay" that is found on games, and why clans must stay active to remain on the scoreboard. After 6 months, and 12 months it'll look like this:

Now, XXX enters July and no war, and has 31 weight. (Jul)
Now, XXX enters Dec and no war, and has 22 weight. (Dec)
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Now we walk through the four wars:

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14, @ 41 weight. (Jan)
XXX BBB 21 20 02/01/14 @ 80 weight. (Feb)
XXX CCC 21 20 03/01/14 @ 118 weight. (Mar)
XXX DDD 21 20 04/01/14 @ 154 weight. (Apr)

So you can see, if you complete those 4 wars between Jan 01, to Apr 01 you will have enough to show up on the score board.

Now if you complete the same wars, 2 months apart:

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14, @ 41 weight. (Jan)
XXX BBB 21 20 03/01/14 @ 79 weight. (Mar)
XXX CCC 21 20 05/01/14 @ 113 weight. (May)
XXX DDD 21 20 07/01/14 @ 144 weight. (Jul)

So you see, the same amount of wars and games spread over a longer period of time - you will not show up on scoreboard yet due to the natural decay of the board.
Thus, amount of war games included in the calculation, AND the speed in which you start/ complete those wars both affect how quickly you get onto the scoreboard.

That is why a general statement of "it takes roughly 3-5 wars to get on the board" is a general idea. You could do it in your first war, if it was 150 games and had another war
ongoing so that you could handle the decay after the big one.

Hope this helps understand the weight and time factors.

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Re: F400 Ranking [Oct 15 Update]

Postby Crazyirishman on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:38 pm

IcePack wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Genoke wrote:
IcePack wrote:
Genoke wrote:why does the new clans have no rating numbers?


Until you have 150 weight, your ratings dont count because there isn't enough information to be accurate yet.

i thought 1 game = 1 weight, but apparently i'm wrong, since we finished 4 clan wars of 41 games.
how much is 1 weight?


As wars get older, they decay. Which means the weights slowly go down. It happens to all clan weights, I'll give an example in a bit.


Here is an example of 4 new clans.

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14
XXX BBB 21 20 02/01/14
XXX CCC 21 20 03/01/14
XXX DDD 21 20 04/01/14

Let's walk this through 2 times, once with XXX fighting all 4 wars, and one with only one.

Now, XXX clan beats AAA 21-20, and has 41 weight. (Jan)
Now, XXX enters Feb and no war, and has 39 weight. (Feb)
Now, XXX enters Mar and no war, and has 38 weight. (Mar)
Now, XXX enters Apr and no war, and has 36 weight. (Apr)

As you can see, they've fought a war but over the course of 3 month lost 5 weight. This is the "decay" that is found on games, and why clans must stay active to remain on the scoreboard. After 6 months, and 12 months it'll look like this:

Now, XXX enters July and no war, and has 31 weight. (Jul)
Now, XXX enters Dec and no war, and has 22 weight. (Dec)
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Now we walk through the four wars:

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14, @ 41 weight. (Jan)
XXX BBB 21 20 02/01/14 @ 80 weight. (Feb)
XXX CCC 21 20 03/01/14 @ 118 weight. (Mar)
XXX DDD 21 20 04/01/14 @ 154 weight. (Apr)

So you can see, if you complete those 4 wars between Jan 01, to Apr 01 you will have enough to show up on the score board.

Now if you complete the same wars, 2 months apart:

XXX AAA 21 20 01/01/14, @ 41 weight. (Jan)
XXX BBB 21 20 03/01/14 @ 79 weight. (Mar)
XXX CCC 21 20 05/01/14 @ 113 weight. (May)
XXX DDD 21 20 07/01/14 @ 144 weight. (Jul)

So you see, the same amount of wars and games spread over a longer period of time - you will not show up on scoreboard yet due to the natural decay of the board.
Thus, amount of war games included in the calculation, AND the speed in which you start/ complete those wars both affect how quickly you get onto the scoreboard.

That is why a general statement of "it takes roughly 3-5 wars to get on the board" is a general idea. You could do it in your first war, if it was 150 games and had another war
ongoing so that you could handle the decay after the big one.

Hope this helps understand the weight and time factors.

IcePack


That's an excellent post, you should definitely try to get that on the first page FAQs for future reference.
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