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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:27 pm

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I understand the system fairly well id say. If you want to clarify what you mean by "the OTP issue" perhaps I can be of some help here.

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I'm glad to hear it. Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked? Due to results in file and decay factors, along with the weighting that is involved there is most likely an error in the data. Are you able to locate it? Or did you just find an anomaly in the formula?
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:31 pm

I'll look into it tonight, @ work currently.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:41 pm

IcePack wrote:I'll look into it tonight, @ work currently.


No worries. My hope is that it is a simple fix. Everyone seems to like this ranking system so much.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Foxglove on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:44 pm

chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:I'll look into it tonight, @ work currently.


No worries. My hope is that it is a simple fix. Everyone seems to like this ranking system so much.


It's been, by far, the best one that we've ever had.

And by "best" I mean there have been fewer complaints that it's inaccurate than any of the other systems we've used over the years.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:46 pm

Foxglove wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:I'll look into it tonight, @ work currently.


No worries. My hope is that it is a simple fix. Everyone seems to like this ranking system so much.


It's been, by far, the best one that we've ever had.

And by "best" I mean there have been fewer complaints that it's inaccurate than any of the other systems we've used over the years.


Amen.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby Crazyirishman on Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:09 pm

chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
I understand the system fairly well id say. If you want to clarify what you mean by "the OTP issue" perhaps I can be of some help here.

IcePack


I'm glad to hear it. Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked? Due to results in file and decay factors, along with the weighting that is involved there is most likely an error in the data. Are you able to locate it? Or did you just find an anomaly in the formula?


Quite simple I think. 1.) Start new clan 2.) Win your 1st two clan challenges 3.) Enjoy a spot in the top 10
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:39 pm

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chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
I understand the system fairly well id say. If you want to clarify what you mean by "the OTP issue" perhaps I can be of some help here.

IcePack


I'm glad to hear it. Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked? Due to results in file and decay factors, along with the weighting that is involved there is most likely an error in the data. Are you able to locate it? Or did you just find an anomaly in the formula?


Quite simple I think. 1.) Start new clan 2.) Win your 1st two clan challenges 3.) Enjoy a spot in the top 10


That is not the way the Algorithm should function. My money is on an incorrect piece of data. If it is not, then the formula needs examined to see if it is an inherent issue or one created by the transfer of knowledge from FD to Gunn to Ice.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:21 pm

chemefreak wrote:
Crazyirishman wrote:
chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
I understand the system fairly well id say. If you want to clarify what you mean by "the OTP issue" perhaps I can be of some help here.

IcePack


I'm glad to hear it. Can you explain how Otpisani is so highly ranked? Due to results in file and decay factors, along with the weighting that is involved there is most likely an error in the data. Are you able to locate it? Or did you just find an anomaly in the formula?


Quite simple I think. 1.) Start new clan 2.) Win your 1st two clan challenges 3.) Enjoy a spot in the top 10


That is not the way the Algorithm should function. My money is on an incorrect piece of data. If it is not, then the formula needs examined to see if it is an inherent issue or one created by the transfer of knowledge from FD to Gunn to Ice.


Well I haven't looked into the specifics yet, but the top 10 are merely 200 points away from "starting" positions. To gain weight you need 3-4 clan scores entered into the mix, and I believe if you win all of them you can "debut" in top ten (whether you stay there is another matter).

The same scenario happened with LHDD entering the top 10 after New Comers Cup 2, although (I believe) they've slowly drifted downwards from there.

The rating system is fairly reflective of clan strength, essentially the only "complaints" that I remember seeing in the past two threads are of new clans being able to peak relatively high.

For OTP however, I will check all data and ensure the information provided the algorithm is correct. Rest assured, even if the current spot is "correct" as OTP plays more clan wars they should theoretically "settle" where they more accurately should be.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby John Deere on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:25 pm

That shouldn't be right Ice. We had to win something like 8 wars straight to get in the top 10. And one of those where in the top 10.
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:38 pm

John Deere wrote:That shouldn't be right Ice. We had to win something like 8 wars straight to get in the top 10. And one of those where in the top 10.


I just got home (worked some massive OT today) so I'll start checking some stats.

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby chemefreak on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:40 pm

IcePack wrote:
John Deere wrote:That shouldn't be right Ice. We had to win something like 8 wars straight to get in the top 10. And one of those where in the top 10.


I just got home (worked some massive OT today) so I'll start checking some stats.

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Ice, no hurry man. There is nothing starting soon that will rely on the F400. Plus, we don't want you to burn out too fast as the "Keeper of the Ranks" :D
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:54 pm

chemefreak wrote:
IcePack wrote:
John Deere wrote:That shouldn't be right Ice. We had to win something like 8 wars straight to get in the top 10. And one of those where in the top 10.


I just got home (worked some massive OT today) so I'll start checking some stats.

IcePack


Ice, no hurry man. There is nothing starting soon that will rely on the F400. Plus, we don't want you to burn out too fast as the "Keeper of the Ranks" :D


I don't think i'll burn out, this kinda stuff really interests me ;) I only wish i could do more!
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby MudPuppy on Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:26 pm

IcePack wrote:I don't think i'll burn out, this kinda stuff really interests me ;) I only wish i could do more!
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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby IcePack on Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:01 pm

Notes re: OTP

Started before 02/24/12 w/ 1000 pts. No decay until "earned" points thru wars.

OTP vs AKA 28-13 02/24/12 decayed approx 20%
Earned 1012 PointsTotal @ 41 "Weight" (AKA rated 850) OTP Tied 18th
OTP vs BOTFM 8-4 03/28/12 decayed approx 16%
Earned 1038 Points Total @ 51 "Weight" (BOTFM rated 1073) OTP Ranked 18th
PACK vs OTP 7-5 03/28/12 decayed approx 16%
Earned 1056 Points Total @ 63 "Weight" (PACK rated 1242) OTP Ranked 16th
DYN vs OTP 7-5 03/28/12 decayed approx 16%
Earned 1011 Points Total @ 75 "Weight" (DYN rated 1051) OTP Ranked 20th
OTP vs RA 8-4 03/28/12 decayed approx 16%
Earned 1035 Points Total @ 87 "Weight" (RA rated 847) OTP Ranked 19th
OTP vs TNC 39-22 04/08/12 decayed approx 12%
Earned 1138 Points Total @ 148 "Weight" (TNC rated 974) OTP Ranked 10th
OTP vs TFFS 24-17 06/01/12 decayed approx 9%
Earned 1157 Points Total @ 177 "Weight" (TFFS rated 946) OTP Ranked 10th

Please keep in mind I had to lower one factor so they would "show" on rankings so early as their first war, the way its built they need 150 weight to be factored in (because it can skew results a bit without the weight) and they dont reach 150 weight until TNC war.

Essentially, since they've had so many wars factored in, in a short time period they are able to gain some points faster than other clans. Also, they / TNC were fairly "equal" when they faced each other (ranking wise) and so when they scored such a high win rate vs a "equal" clan it boosts them. Just like PACK war, they should have been "severely" out ranked by PACK but kept it close, so it actually gave them a (small) bump in the ratings. (this is why CL wars are less weighted I believe) Tho i am a bit surprised at how large a jump based on a single war but I believe its based on the algo expectations for war score were greatly exceeded.

One thing cheme to keep in mind (please take this as constructive criticism, if i may) but adding large amounts of clan results on the same day can actually have an effect on clan scores as the date and order of challenges in database does have some effect within rankings. So if we could more accurately submit them on day of completion (and avoid doing them all at once on same day...or if you do that, perhaps moving to completed but date them when the challenges finish) so the challenges are entered as completed. Its a small difference, but it does make a difference.

But, I redid the database until reaching each one of OTP matches and scored based on the end of those dates each time. All appears to be working the way it should. I will keep looking into it a bit more...

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Re: [New] F400 Ranking [Updated 07-01-12]

Postby benga on Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:30 am

Can you explain then how KORT got 10 pts w/o any new results coming in for them
and OSA got only 31 for winning 2 wars??

This was meant as a change from last month.
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