Clan League: Season 3 - Info, Q&A

[lord voldemort]

i see some holes...
some of the best doubles players wont play trips and quads...eg mikidios and superrag (bpb)
while i haevnt looked at there's or anyone elses numbers...what if they went 15-0 or something ridic like that...yet they dont qualify for allstar selection...even though everyone woudl agree those kind of results are worthy of a spot.

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[Leehar]

How was it determined last season? Isn't that a good baseline?

[josko.ri]

I like the idea of net-win rate, though I think there should be a minimum number of games played to qualify as well.

Of course, minimum number of games played would also make 3-1 type records moot, but net-win rate is still better than winning percentage I think.

I dont like that idea of net-win rate, because, between 2 great players, one with score 21-9 (70%) and other one with score 15-4 (79%), better would be the first one, who is maybe in clan with small number of players or who is "the one and only in his clan" so plays maximum number of games always.

IMO clan competition is with the purpose that entirely clan participate equally in number of games played, so clan with about 20 players who do it (gives equal number of games to their players, no matter of members' playing knowledge) do not have chance to participate in competition for all star if key for decision is net-win rate. reason is very simple, in 290 available slots, average player will be in about 15 games if that clan goes with idea to give all members equal number of games. then noone from that clan can be in competition for all star because maximum net-win rate will be 15-0, and i am sure it will be more than 10 players who has more than +15 net-win rate, like 23-7.

so what do we want? A) to award players who has sense for clan competition (documented with the fact that whole clan plays equal number of games) or B) to award the ones who gives maximum number of games to 2-3 players while the rest of the clan play only about 10 games? if net-win is the key for all star, then option B will be awarded.

IMO opinion, you should award members with highest winning % and played minimum number of games, let s say it may be 50+% of allowed number of games so 16 games in that case. then 25-0 will be awarded better than 28-2, and 16-0 will be awarded better than 24-6, which should be according to common sense.

[jpcloet]

How was it determined last season? Isn't that a good baseline?

Last Season we ran the script and the top player award went to someone with a really high win% and also across all team types (DTQ)

viewtopic.php?f=442&t=93536

However, the all-stars were chosen by position, so if you were really good at doubles, then you had a spot.

The baseline was really high though. Something like min games of 10 along with a win rate of about 75-80% on your spot plus 70% or higher on the other team games. I think almost all the quads players last season were undefeated.

[Rodion]

i see some holes...
some of the best doubles players wont play trips and quads...eg mikidios and superrag (bpb)
while i haevnt looked at there's or anyone elses numbers...what if they went 15-0 or something ridic like that...yet they dont qualify for allstar selection...even though everyone woudl agree those kind of results are worthy of a spot.

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Read again. 15-0 doubles would make them eligible for doubles all star team.

[jpcloet]

Certainly some strong records going.

DivA
Cachejob20-1
Chariot of Fire 23-4 (Top Player in Season 2)
Dako 20-5

Have not looked at the others.

[jpcloet]

The other nice thing about the tournament script is that you can put in just game numbers so we can dump all the doubles from the spreadsheet masters and get the best players much easier this year.

That dubs team is 5-7 that everyone is thinking about so not likely all-stars this season.

[Rodion]

How was it determined last season? Isn't that a good baseline?

Last Season we ran the script and the top player award went to someone with a really high win% and also across all team types (DTQ)

viewtopic.php?f=442&t=93536

However, the all-stars were chosen by position, so if you were really good at doubles, then you had a spot.

The baseline was really high though. Something like min games of 10 along with a win rate of about 75-80% on your spot plus 70% or higher on the other team games. I think almost all the quads players last season were undefeated.

If they're picked by position, shouldn't the "other team games" be totally disregarded? I think only MVP and reserves would need to have a good record in the 3 positions (dubs/trips/quads).

[Rodion]

Cachejob20-1

Makes me wonder: if someone manages to go undefeated in 2 kinds of games (say, trips and quads), who gets to pick whether he goes to the all star team as a triples or quads player?

[josko.ri]

loes 15-2

[jpcloet]

Cachejob20-1

Makes me wonder: if someone manages to go undefeated in 2 kinds of games (say, trips and quads), who gets to pick whether he goes to the all star team as a triples or quads player?

The Clan Directors pick, If that person went 8-0 in quads but there were 4 other players that went 10-0 or better, then likely trips. Last year there were players with better overall win% that ended up as reserves due to some really strong position players. It's all relative.

[Chuuuuck]

This might help with the discussion, for quads, the following players will end with the following records in Divisions A and B (I didn't take the time to check C or D).

Chariot of Fire - 20-3
Chuuuuuck - 15-2
Denise - 11-1
dwilhelmi - 14-1
cachejob - 15-2
Shatners Bassoon - 13-1

Who do you all think is more deserving? I am honestly kind of unsure, I can see arguments for both.

[Rodion]

Are those games only quads?

1st - dwilhelmi - 93,33% wins
2nd - Shatners Bassoon - 92,85% wins
3rd - Denise - 91,66% wins
T-4th - cachejob - 88,23% wins
T-4th - Chuuuuck - 88,23% wins
5th - Chariot of Fire - 86,95% wins

[Chuuuuck]

Yes, they were only quads games

[Rodion]

Are those games only quads?

1st - dwilhelmi - 93,33% wins
2nd - Shatners Bassoon - 92,85% wins
3rd - Denise - 91,66% wins
T-4th - cachejob - 88,23% wins
T-4th - Chuuuuck - 88,23% wins
5th - Chariot of Fire - 86,95% wins

And I think I'd break the tie with strength of schedule.

[jpcloet]

Last Season there was an All Star Team for Div1 and one for Div2, no reason we couldn't name a First team and Second team for the whole league.

[lord voldemort]

well thats bs with strength of schedule.....
people dont choose who they play...does that mean someone in a clan who isnt in one of those top tiers clan is weighted higher as in theory they had tougher games?

[jpcloet]

One of the considerations in Season 1 was the amount of road games, there were certainly a number of strong players who only played on their favourite maps only in that season. This season seems to be a better mix.

[Ace Rimmer]

This might help with the discussion, for quads, the following players will end with the following records in Divisions A and B (I didn't take the time to check C or D).

Chariot of Fire - 20-3
Chuuuuuck - 15-2
Denise - 11-1
dwilhelmi - 14-1
cachejob - 15-2
Shatners Bassoon - 13-1

Who do you all think is more deserving? I am honestly kind of unsure, I can see arguments for both.

Easy
1. CoF
2. SB
3. cache

[Lubawski]

One of the considerations in Season 1 was the amount of road games, there were certainly a number of strong players who only played on their favourite maps only in that season. This season seems to be a better mix.

I think that's a great way to look at it.

[josko.ri]

One of the considerations in Season 1 was the amount of road games, there were certainly a number of strong players who only played on their favourite maps only in that season. This season seems to be a better mix.

I think that's a great way to look at it.

yes, great idea

[jpcloet]

The all-stars are not that tough to pick historically, the big challenge has always been top player, although with upper game limits, might be easier this season.

[Denise]

This might help with the discussion, for quads, the following players will end with the following records in Divisions A and B (I didn't take the time to check C or D).

Chariot of Fire - 20-3
Chuuuuuck - 15-2
Denise - 11-1
dwilhelmi - 14-1
cachejob - 15-2
Shatners Bassoon - 13-1

Who do you all think is more deserving? I am honestly kind of unsure, I can see arguments for both.

Easy
1. CoF
2. SB
3. cache

[Lubawski]

This might help with the discussion, for quads, the following players will end with the following records in Divisions A and B (I didn't take the time to check C or D).

Chariot of Fire - 20-3
Chuuuuuck - 15-2
Denise - 11-1
dwilhelmi - 14-1
cachejob - 15-2
Shatners Bassoon - 13-1

Who do you all think is more deserving? I am honestly kind of unsure, I can see arguments for both.

Easy
1. CoF
2. SB
3. cache

Don't be upset. Jake's dyslexia is just acting up again. He put his bottom 3 up there by mistake.

[Leehar]

This might help with the discussion, for quads, the following players will end with the following records in Divisions A and B (I didn't take the time to check C or D).

Chariot of Fire - 20-3
Chuuuuuck - 15-2
Denise - 11-1
dwilhelmi - 14-1
cachejob - 15-2
Shatners Bassoon - 13-1

Who do you all think is more deserving? I am honestly kind of unsure, I can see arguments for both.

Easy
1. CoF
2. SB
3. cache

Don't be upset. Jake's dyslexia is just acting up again. He put his bottom 3 up there by mistake.

It does raise an interesting issue tho. Basically Chuck put up the top 3 from each of those divisions that he checked, from what I can see. Is there not a case for getting the top performers from each div?