[CC2] 2nd Annual Conqueror's Cup!!

by **Leehar** on Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:39 am

angola wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:someone tl;dr this for me?

tl;dr

You suggesting we shouldn't (don't) instead of that we haven't (didn't)?

I think even the boil down was too much for me, all I got was way too much complication

Namor wrote:
Incandenza wrote:
angola wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:someone tl;dr this for me?

tl;dr

Good one.

Nothing against stahr, I'm sure she put a lot of time and effort into the above document, but said document's very existence is an excellent example of why clan wars are not nearly as fun as they were even a year ago. Other excellent examples reside in the C&A forum.

Maybe such precipitous decline was inevitable, given the explosive popularity of clans. No matter what the venture, there are always going to be people who ignore the spirit of the enterprise and instead probe the edges of the rules looking for advantage.

Like deliberately running out of time, to avoid taking a spoil. A cheap tactic, that even a top clan feels the need to do

I think this should just go the way of the fog rule that was so valiantly expounded on in your thread. Since there isn't really a site feature for it, then it just comes down to policing between the clans if they're heavily against it.

by **Incandenza** on Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:47 pm

Namor wrote:Like deliberately running out of time, to avoid taking a spoil. A cheap tactic, that even a top clan feels the need to do

Um, are you speaking specifically about someone?

by **stahrgazer** on Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:48 pm

Incandenza wrote:
angola wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:someone tl;dr this for me?

tl;dr

Good one.

Nothing against stahr, I'm sure she put a lot of time and effort into the above document,

Yes, alas, it took an entire hour to consolidate the opinions gleaned from this, the Clan Medals thread, and jp's desire to make "clan wars farming" more punishable than CC farming policies into the document you saw. An entire hour! Okay, maybe it was 75 minutes. (The main point here is, it didn't take 2 months 8-)

)

The even more boiled-down version is:
Don't throw or benefit from thrown wars, don't stall, don't deadbeat, finish the wars you started, don't try to get medals by just picking on newer clans, enjoy clan war tournaments, and make sure a lot of people play the wars rather than just a handful of experts.

Honestly, for people who supposedly know how to read, I can't see what's so complex. It gets wordy simply because of definitions and rationale....and the definitions and rationale are all based on the majority opinion found in the threads I can view where the public discussed or questioned clan medals rules.

If you leave out definitions and rationale from a manual, you're left with precisely the situation we've had re: this Cup skirmish, disagreement as to interpretations that vary from situation to situation. If, instead, you provide that information right in a manual that the appropriate folks get to review before publishing, why, then, everyone can understand right up front what will and will not happen in a situation, eliminating tons of flack later on. That is what a manual is for.

by **jetsetwilly** on Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:38 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Namor wrote:Like deliberately running out of time, to avoid taking a spoil. A cheap tactic, that even a top clan feels the need to do

Um, are you speaking specifically about someone?

It's a reference to our current league challenge, not the cup

by **Lubawski** on Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:54 pm

Chuck, what happens when a clan fails to respond about sending the last set of games? It's well after the two weeks. We're trying to be accommodating, but it's going to be delaying the tournament and we would like to continue.

If it's just a matter of waiting until COF can join the games, we don't mind someone joining them for him. We won't tell Josko.

by **Namor** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:40 am

Lubawski wrote:Chuck, what happens when a clan fails to respond about sending the last set of games? It's well after the two weeks. We're trying to be accommodating, but it's going to be delaying the tournament and we would like to continue.

If it's just a matter of waiting until COF can join the games, we don't mind someone joining them for him. We won't tell Josko.

Now come on Mike, play the game, old boy... you wouldn't expect CoF to cut his holiday short :lol:

by **Ace Rimmer** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:59 am

Lubawski wrote:Chuck, what happens when a clan fails to respond about sending the last set of games? It's well after the two weeks. We're trying to be accommodating, but it's going to be delaying the tournament and we would like to continue.

If it's just a matter of waiting until COF can join the games, we don't mind someone joining them for him. We won't tell Josko.

Who did you PM? Dako and Iron Maid have both been on holidays lately, maybe it got missed. There's been no talk in our forum or the EMPIRE v TOFU thread about it.

by **Lubawski** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 11:58 am

Ace Rimmer wrote:
Lubawski wrote:Chuck, what happens when a clan fails to respond about sending the last set of games? It's well after the two weeks. We're trying to be accommodating, but it's going to be delaying the tournament and we would like to continue.

If it's just a matter of waiting until COF can join the games, we don't mind someone joining them for him. We won't tell Josko.

Who did you PM? Dako and Iron Maid have both been on holidays lately, maybe it got missed. There's been no talk in our forum or the EMPIRE v TOFU thread about it.

According to the rules of this event, it's an every two weeks unless otherwise determined by the clans. We started last batch just after the 4th of July. It's been 3 weeks. We were in contact before around two weekends ago and agreed to hold off until CoF could get back into the swing of things which we were told would be last Monday/Tuesday. Then we heard he was having computer problems and it would be a couple more days. It's been several now. Ninja sent another PM on Friday which has gone unanswered. I'm sure a lot is going on right now, but we do need to keep this moving along. If all of TOFU leadership is on holiday and nothing has been planned for round 3, that is pretty irresponsible and highly unbelievable. Dako had time to sign TOFU up for the ACC, I'm sure there was time for round 3 games.

by **Ace Rimmer** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:10 pm

We did the 4th of July, which was earlier than necessary, because one of your members wanted to get R2 started, I forget who. I'm in contact with Dako about this.

by **Dako** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:10 pm

We will send TOFU home games this Friday.

Sorry for the late response and silence in the PMs.

by **Ace Rimmer** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:12 pm

We are not multis!

by **Lubawski** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:10 pm

Thanks guys. I just wanted to keep this thing moving along.

by **Dako** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:15 pm

No problems. I was away this weekend and this issue with IR got us unprepared.

by **Lubawski** on Tue Jul 26, 2011 1:17 pm

Understandable. We're just happy to keep moving.

by **chemefreak** on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:20 pm

All-

We will be issuing medals for the CC2 over the next few hours. The process of getting the medals out was authorized by jpcloet and it has just taken us a while to get the 22 completed wars analyzed. Masli has given the thumbs up so they will be out shortly.

Of course, LoW will not be receiving medals for beating ++The Legion++ as that was clearly farming

Cheers,

Nick

by **Lindax** on Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:42 pm

chemefreak wrote:All-

We will be issuing medals for the CC2 over the next few hours. The process of getting the medals out was authorized by jpcloet and it has just taken us a while to get the 22 completed wars analyzed. Masli has given the thumbs up so they will be out shortly.

Of course, LoW will not be receiving medals for beating ++The Legion++ as that was clearly farming

Cheers,

Nick

Oh, is it over?

Lx

by **danryan** on Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:23 pm

Not exactly. Some of the challenges are, but the final 8 teams all mathematically are still in it.

by **chemefreak** on Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:49 pm

Lindax wrote:
chemefreak wrote:All-

We will be issuing medals for the CC2 over the next few hours. The process of getting the medals out was authorized by jpcloet and it has just taken us a while to get the 22 completed wars analyzed. Masli has given the thumbs up so they will be out shortly.

Of course, LoW will not be receiving medals for beating ++The Legion++ as that was clearly farming

Cheers,

Nick

Oh, is it over?

Lx

No. We are going to treat these as they were intended as individual clan wars. So medals will be passed out for all wars. The overall winner will get a medal for the victory that also mentions the cup win, like the winners of CCup1.

by **Lubawski** on Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:43 pm

Thanks Cheme, Masli, and the late jpcloet (who we are hoping returns from beyond).

by **Bruceswar** on Thu Jul 28, 2011 4:37 am

Yes thanks for the medal. Only 3 more to collect now!

by **Chuuuuck** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:07 pm

This will come to no surprise of some that I am closest to, but I have only been on this site for 1 reason and that is enjoyment. I created and have ran both the conqueror's cup and the power rankings as I saw an opportunity to better the site and improve the enjoyment of all, including myself.

My enjoyment on this site is quickly approaching 0. Real life is busy and my commitments and responsibilities are in a higher demand than the amount of time I have each day. Luckily, thanks to my job and the fact that I am on a computer 2/3 of every day, this is not a farewell message because I will still be on this site, however, I will be playing very minimally and really not contributing in any other way to the site.

To be honest, the Conqueror's Cup is a nearly self ran tournament with very little input needed from a TD except for a few slight hiccups.

The Power Rankings are a little more time consuming in sending out PMs, collecting data, and then inputting data and creating tables.

I would not like to hand these over lightly to just the first person to raise their hand because I feel I have tried to handle both very professionally and fairly for all involved. The last thing I would want to see is some 13 year old (or someone who acts like one) take over and start changing things that make either less enjoyable or fair for the masses. I am not even sure me picking someone to hand these over to is the best way to handle it. But maybe there should be some reasonable discussion in the forums of how they can be handled in a fair manner in the future because one thing is for sure and that is I will not be putting much time into this site anymore other than playing a few games.

by **Denise** on Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:41 pm

I'm sorry to hear you're not having fun anymore. I guess that's happening a lot lately. The player that popped into my brain first to run the cup is dowian2. He has run lots of tournaments and has great organizational skills. I have no idea if he would be interested or not, but if he is, he would be great at it. Lindax also would, but maybe he's too busy and is doing too many other things.