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iraq
Sent: 07 Jul 2011, 16:59
by Eyestone
You had the time to write a pm to Loki, and didn't have time to take the turn?
Re: iraq
Sent: 07 Jul 2011, 17:03
by Namor
Oh bollox, I got carried away with all this shit and didn't realise the time had moved on.
I was already pissed about the Third Crusade game, now this has just about ended my enjoyment of this fucking shitty site. There is way to much bickering and cheating, i don't really enjoy it any more. I'm fairly certain that I will quit, after these games.
lokisgal wrote:AOC has missed turns in multiple games and this started before we timed out....
mkcummins wrote:what is at question here is whether or not intentionally timing out to avoid carding is a cheap tactic and not one that a top clan should employ, loophole or not. If public opinion or an authoritative ruling should dictate that it is indeed fair and allowed, then so be it. But, until then, that is the topic.
Deflecting to missed turns in defense of such a tactic is a little pathetic. and trying to offset this discussion with attacks on people's inability to show up for a turn, when we have players TAKING their turns, but not finishing them is equally pathetic...
it's a sad day for this site and cc clandom when this kind of junk infects a challenge.
Lubawski wrote:mkcummins wrote:what is at question here is whether or not intentionally timing out to avoid carding is a cheap tactic and not one that a top clan should employ, loophole or not. If public opinion or an authoritative ruling should dictate that it is indeed fair and allowed, then so be it. But, until then, that is the topic.
Deflecting to missed turns in defense of such a tactic is a little pathetic. and trying to offset this discussion with attacks on people's inability to show up for a turn, when we have players TAKING their turns, but not finishing them is equally pathetic...
it's a sad day for this site and cc clandom when this kind of junk infects a challenge.
Agreed. Deliberate use of cheap tactics in a clan game, especially in the league final, is disgraceful. IA played the whole season and play-offs wonderfully or they wouldn't be in this position. Now to use a site glitch to gain tactical advantage is sad. Loki did well to stand up for the right in the beginning, but certainly turned tail quickly to back her clan's actions. That too is sad. Leadership means making the tough decisions and standing for what is right even if it hurts you in the process.
I echo Namor's thoughts on quitting CC. I've been in the long drawn out process of retirement now for a few months. What I've seen from top clans recently with regards to cheap tactics makes my decision that much easier. These kinds of discussions shouldn't even have to take place. Clans without honor should be stripped of their clan and those players using cheap tactics banned from participating in a clan.
Eyestone wrote:FarangDemon wrote:Eyestone wrote:Master Fenrir wrote:I'm rooting for IA, but I fear the legendary AoC dice...
Yup. It's even stronger now that it has been changed to women's footballs. We are huge on female soccer Just like how Norway demolished the dreaded Equatorial Guinea by 1-0 last night. They toyed with them up until the 87th minute before scoring the decisive goal. That's how we will toy with The Assissans in this challenge
While you are toying with the Assissans, four shiv-wielding figures congeal out of the blackness to assassinate you... and then meld back into the shadows
How inapropriate! I'm only armed with my dice...
Seulessliathan wrote:
You missed to mention that your mate regan missed/skipped his turn in 3rd Crusade. I am always a fan of telling the whole story. I donĀ“t say this would legitimate running out of time, i just believe itĀ“s always better not to hide such details which might be important too. Skipped turns can be considered cheap tactics too, and since you guys already discuss this subject, it doesnĀ“t seem to be very likely that nobody was able to sit for regan (i donĀ“t say you skipped it on purpose, but it looks like in this situation, of course it can still be a normal missed turn)
To the topic:
I have heard this discussion more then once before, and usually more people tend to agree with Eyestone/AOC about this, but others say , if the system still allows it, it must be a feature.
IMO CC mechanics should be changed in that way that you get a card after you conquered/bombed ter in your turn, no matter if you end your turn or not. Would be a suprise if that has never been suggested in Suggestion Forum, perhaps someone who has seen it there can tell us what was the reason to decide against it, or tell us that they plan it soon.
I think this should be discussed, and if CC doesnĀ“t change the mechanics, then clans should consider to make a gentleman rule about this. All Clans would have to agree to this rule if playing League or CC Cup, in clan wars both clans can discuss it.
In case majority considers this a feature, then we should let every clan know that itĀ“s fine to run out of time.
Namor wrote:...this has just about ended my enjoyment of this fucking shitty site. There is way to much bickering and cheating, i don't really enjoy it any more. I'm fairly certain that I will quit, after these games.
Master Fenrir wrote:Amazing. It seems like every week there's another OG who shares this sentiment.
andy_is_awesome wrote:Does IA have a stance on the "loop hole"?
We don't expect you to agree as a whole, every clan is going to have a mixed camp on the issue.
But there should be a prevailing consensus from your group that you as a clan play by. Right?
...maybe that's where we're wrong.
For the record AoC does not intentionally miss turns. Any sort of tactics would be dealt with internally by us.
We have our code of conduct.
VampireM wrote:i would just like to add that i think i agree with the majority about nukes, until there is no way to abuse the system we shouldn't use them. Though Dako brings up a good point about just not allowing unlimited reinforcements.. i just dont like the option of abusing the system, i personally dont want to be put in a situlation where i feel i can gain an advantage by intentional not ending my turn..
I kind of like the playoffs of the league, i can see the merit to take it out to have two different competitions but i would of liked to see an expansion in the playoff games.. instead of 18 games maybe 41,
just my two cents
Seulessliathan wrote:I hope IA and AOC will have an agreement about this soon and i hope there will be a rule about this for all clan events. IĀ“m ok to say itĀ“s legal, iĀ“m ok to decide it will be forbidden, iĀ“m fine with a change of game mechanics (my prefered option) but i really dislike having no rule about this.
Pirlo wrote:goooooooooooooooo Zizooooooooooooooooooooooo
Denise wrote:andy_is_awesome wrote:Does IA have a stance on the "loop hole"?
We don't expect you to agree as a whole, every clan is going to have a mixed camp on the issue.
But there should be a prevailing consensus from your group that you as a clan play by. Right?
...maybe that's where we're wrong.
For the record AoC does not intentionally miss turns. Any sort of tactics would be dealt with internally by us.
We have our code of conduct.
I am also interested in IA's stand on taking advantage of this loop hole. From this post in the CLA, it would appear that the leadership, at least, is against it in theory. I think the right thing for IA to do is to admit that this was the wrong way to play the game, and offer to make it right by redoing the game(s) in question. How refreshing would that be? No C&A report, no locked thread, just clans working out a disagreement like adults. It might even convince a few great players who are on their way out to stay a while.VampireM wrote:i would just like to add that i think i agree with the majority about nukes, until there is no way to abuse the system we shouldn't use them. Though Dako brings up a good point about just not allowing unlimited reinforcements.. i just dont like the option of abusing the system, i personally dont want to be put in a situlation where i feel i can gain an advantage by intentional not ending my turn..
I kind of like the playoffs of the league, i can see the merit to take it out to have two different competitions but i would of liked to see an expansion in the playoff games.. instead of 18 games maybe 41,
just my two cents
Eyestone wrote:AOC considers use of this exploit to be cheating. We are likely to state that we want opponents to sign up to not using it ahead of all future challenges in which we partake. Our participation in future events is likely to be dependent on it. We want to play this game the way it's meant to be played, we hope that most people would see it that way.
rbelgrod wrote:bullshit
rbelgrod wrote:bullshit
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