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Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:19 am**

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Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 9:19 am**

All that seems to matter to most clans is how they are perceived. So I will keep an updated list of clan rankings based on the perception of each clan as perceived by all clan leaders. This list will be updated every 3-4 months.

I will ask for the participation of all clan leaders to send me in their votes on clan rankings. I hope that each leader will take input from their clan members so the list will collectively reflect how your clan thinks the rankings are. Participation of each clan leader is optional, I can not force anyone to send me votes. However, regardless of whether a clan leader decides to vote or not, his clan will still be voted on. All active clans will be ranked in the votes so we get an idea of how every clan is perceived to be ranked in comparison to other clans.

I will send out a PM to all clan leaders listing all active clans and ask for their votes. I will ask that each clan does not place their own clan in the rankings. I will also include several links where you can find data/results of all of the clans to better pick your votes. In the PM I will copy Incandenza from THOTA, and Chariot of Fire from TOFU. I will then BCC every clan leader so they can reply to all and send their votes to the 3 of us. The 3 of us will check all votes for integrity and make sure no one set of votes is trying to intentionally skew the results of the rankings. If we suspect this then we will ask the person who made the votes for some clarification on their reasoning and we will determine whether or not we think that is their intention.

Integrity and honesty are the most important parts of a human poll. I hope that every clan leader can cast a vote that is what they truly believe the clans to be ranked and not what seems to be most beneficial to themselves/their clan.

Once all votes are collected, I will compile them and average out each clans ranking. I will then rank the clans in order of lowest average to highest. I will also show the averages and standard deviation for each clan so you have a better idea of where they were thought to be and how much of a range most people had on that ranking.

I will hopefully get a PM out very soon and start collecting votes and hope to have a ranking up fairly soon on the first post!

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:29 am**

perhaps every 6 months Chuuuuck, up to you.

Here is the last one, you can add this to your 1st post and see if any change over time, but, have record of all of them. I think this one here was Jan 2010, so next June 2010, then Jan 2011, etc.

1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
3. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
4. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
5. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
6. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
7. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
8. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
9. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
10. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
11. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
12. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
13. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
14. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
15. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
16. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
17. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
18. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
19. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
20. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
21. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:30 am**

Cool, we can have a split national championship now. I vote for Kerry Collins and Penn State, everyone knows they would have beaten Nebraska straight up!

Thanks for doing this Chuck.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:47 pm**

Blitzaholic wrote:perhaps every 6 months Chuuuuck, up to you.

Here is the last one, you can add this to your 1st post and see if any change over time, but, have record of all of them. I think this one here was Jan 2010, so next June 2010, then Jan 2011, etc.

1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
3. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
4. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
5. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
6. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
7. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
8. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
9. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
10. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
11. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
12. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
13. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
14. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
15. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
16. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
17. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
18. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
19. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
20. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
21. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

That one should never be included as it only has clans who had expressed interest in playing in the Cup. As you can see, AoD and BpB (two top-10 capable clans) are not included.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:48 pm**

Bones2484 wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:perhaps every 6 months Chuuuuck, up to you.

Here is the last one, you can add this to your 1st post and see if any change over time, but, have record of all of them. I think this one here was Jan 2010, so next June 2010, then Jan 2011, etc.

1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
3. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
4. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
5. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
6. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
7. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
8. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
9. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
10. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
11. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
12. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
13. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
14. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
15. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
16. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
17. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
18. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
19. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
20. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
21. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

That one should never be included as it only has clans who had expressed interest in playing in the Cup. As you can see, AoD and BpB (two top-10 capable clans) are not included.

It is just a reference point. I am not posting it because you are right, many were not included. When I send out the PM asking for votes, all clans will be included.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:54 pm**

Isn't Bruceswar doing something similar to this already? Perhaps you should collaborate.

Posted: **Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:01 pm**

nagerous wrote:Isn't Bruceswar doing something similar to this already? Perhaps you should collaborate.

I already talked to him. He told me to proceed with running this.

Posted: **Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:41 am**

Why do people always need a ranking tables? :p

Posted: **Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:46 am**

self gratification...
I actually kinda agree with what chuck is doing...the best kind of table is going to be other clans ranking you....the bigger the sample. The more accurate you will find it

Posted: **Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:25 am**

lord voldemort wrote:self gratification...

I actually kinda agree with what chuck is doing...the best kind of table is going to be other clans ranking you....the bigger the sample. The more accurate you will find it

well said volde!

Posted: **Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:19 pm**

While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly... :cry:

Posted: **Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:20 pm**

Incandenza wrote:While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly...

Uh, who are you? :-s

Posted: **Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:29 am**

Gold Knight wrote:
Incandenza wrote:While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly...

Uh, who are you?

some know him as Pimpzilla :lol:

Posted: **Sat Jun 05, 2010 2:57 pm**

Sorry about the spelling. I have been out of town in Mexico this week so I haven't gotten this started yet. I will resume getting it all taken care of on Monday.

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:33 am**

Blitzaholic wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
Incandenza wrote:While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly...

Uh, who are you?

some know him as Pimplezilla

Don't rush your posts or you spell things wrong.

Posted: **Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:10 am**

Lubawski wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
Incandenza wrote:While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly...

Uh, who are you?

some know him as Pimplezilla

Don't rush your posts or you spell things wrongly.

tsk

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:29 am**

Lubawski wrote:
Blitzaholic wrote:
Gold Knight wrote:
Incandenza wrote:While I'm more than happy to be part of this process, the least Chuck could do is spell my name properly...

Uh, who are you?

some know him as Pimplezilla

Don't rush your posts or you spell things wrong.

That would've been a hell of a zing two decades years ago. And since I actually did convince friends and family members to refer to me as Pimpzilla for a small time, I chuckle at your misguided contribution.

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:29 pm**

I could vote, but in all reality all I know about the clans listed, is who is in them.

Posted: **Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:51 pm**

Blitzaholic wrote:perhaps every 6 months Chuuuuck, up to you.

Here is the last one, you can add this to your 1st post and see if any change over time, but, have record of all of them. I think this one here was Jan 2010, so next June 2010, then Jan 2011, etc.

1. THOTA - 1.17 - 0.38
2. TSM - 2.47 - 2.04
3. TOFU - 3.78 - 1.17
4. EMPIRE - 4.67 - 1.85
5. IA - 4.78 - 1.44
6. Low - 6.44 - 2.23
7. KORT - 6.72 - 2.52
8. ID - 7.50 - 2.66
9. Nemesis - 10.28 - 3.44
10. BSS - 11.22 - 2.84
11. The Legion - 11.28 - 3.36
12. G1 - 11.61 - 3.42
13. O&H - 12.11 - 2.81
14. AoC - 13.72 - 3.61
15. Mythology - 14.61 - 3.09
16. DD - 15.17 - 3.42
17. BotFM - 15.33 - 3.58
18. L4D - 15.67 - 2.79
19. DVDLL - 15.89 - 2.73
20. EE - 17.50 - 2.04
21. LotZ - 18.72 - 2.19

This list should not be given consideration as it was a seedings exercise for a tournament with certain criteria, e.g. player quota, etc. Because of this I ranked according to perceived strength in this tournament alone, giving more weight to clans with greater depth (as a minimum of nine players were required to fill the games). I did a similar thing for the CLA forecast where there were no player restrictions and the majority of games were doubs, therefore detracting from the advantage that strong-in-depth clans had and levelling the playing field for those who had maybe two or three exceptional players who could fill most of the slots.

So to do this exercise properly there's not only a bit of research that's needed, but there are also things that need to be factored in.

When I (eventually) start my list I'll adopt a process, as there has to be a starting point and then a series of variables.

- list all the clans based on historical performance (starting point)
- adjust according to acquisition/retirement of key members
- adjust according to strength in depth of their current members
- adjust according to future predictions (end point)

The last point is somewhat contrary to a ladder that ranks according to achievements, as it's based on perceived performance (rather like seedings in a tournament). It does however comply with the statement made in Chuck's PM "If each clan were to play each other today then I want the rankings to show who you think would come out on top over whom" therefore this new ranking system has to cater to both past, present and future - much like a share price index.

If everyone does it fairly and diligently then I'm sure with such a large cross-section of participating clans that the end result will be an accurate reflection of what we each expect. People just have to adopt an efficient system when they make their estimations.

Cheers,

CoF

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:37 am**

- adjust according to acquisition/retirement of key members
- adjust according to strength in depth of their current members
- adjust according to future predictions (end point)

Very critical I agree

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:16 am**

I also agree with what CoF said. I hope we get very good votes that everyone put some thought into.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2010 9:55 am**

Chuuuuck wrote:I also agree with what CoF said. I hope we get very good votes that everyone put some thought into.

I actually enjoyed putting my list together.

Granted, at the bottom of the 36-team list it got difficult... but using the completed tournaments and other links definitely helped. Very interested to see the final result and how closely my opinions matched others.

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:48 am**

Can we call these Power Rankings?

Posted: **Tue Jun 08, 2010 11:59 am**

jpcloet wrote:Can we call these Power Rankings?

Yes

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