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Re: Clan Medals

Postby ljex on Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:45 am

Chariot of Fire wrote:As ever you make good points MF.

I too see the award of these medals as being conducive to greater participation from more clan members in a quest to get some recognition. I do flip your argument the other way though, as I think it encourages a player to join several games (as opposed to maybe just one or two) to increase his chances of winning one of them. This is hard to refute. Your unfortunate run of luck in those games you cite was just that - bad luck - yet theoretically you would still have won a medal had your clan won the challenge, so you're not actually stating a case wherein someone may have been denied a medal via this rule.

If a player plays one game, which is lost, and he receives his medal and joins another clan the following week.....is that fair? He'd be brandishing something he really has no claim to.

So you see there's two sides to the debate. I think in my example it highlights how less-worthy these medals would become if they are handed out like candy. In your example you are saying it would be insulting not to receive one, yet what really would have been insulting are the dice that you must have rolled to have landed in such a predicament in the first place.

I still believe medal = achievement, not underachievement or participation.

That said, I don't feel too strongly about it so don't mind whatever verdict is finally reached.

p.s. and I hear what you say re organisation and all that stuff that goes on behind the scenes. Perhaps each challenge should allow for someone to be nominated to receive an award for this, thus ensuring he or she receives some recognition.


Which is why I think the 3 games played rule should stay but the necessity to win a game should not. Simply you are contributing if you are joining games, win or lose. This medal is for winning a clan war which you have done if you are a participating member of the winning clan.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Master Fenrir on Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:35 am

shocked439 wrote:Even the radio announcers get a super bowl ring at the end if the year.

Really? :lol: That's ridiculous.

patrickaa317 wrote:(1) However, that isn't directly what this medal is about and (2)I do think you guys should be recognized somehow else though because many of you put a lot of work into this.

1) I know.
2) I don't. Acting as minister of war for a clan is something you either volunteer for or are asked to do and you accept. The fact that your clan trusts you enough to act as their minister should be recognition enough. The reason that I included that information in my example was in response to:

jpcloet wrote:Based on the win% discussion in the CLA, this is the lowest we are willing to go. This was a huge compromise to the original proposal and subsequent ones. In order for a clan to win, they need to win games, if you can't win a single game, then you have not contributed. This is way more than fair and won't be changed.


It was to show that I contributed my ass of, moreso that anybody else in my clan for that war. My point was had I failed to win that single game and my clan had managed to win the war, my effort would not have been viewed as a "contribution."

Chariot of Fire wrote:As ever you make good points MF.

Thanks.

Chariot of Fire wrote:Your unfortunate run of luck in those games you cite was just that - bad luck - yet theoretically you would still have won a medal had your clan won the challenge, so you're not actually stating a case wherein someone may have been denied a medal via this rule.

Well, I was saying that if I hadn't won that one game, I would have been denied the medal simply due to unfortunate luck.

Chariot of Fire wrote:That said, I don't feel too strongly about it so don't mind whatever verdict is finally reached.

:) Me neither, and I hope that both you and JP don't feel as if I was attack your positions in any way. I care about the wins, not the medals. The only reason I brought it up was for the sake of other players in the future should they experience an unfortunate run of luck.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby jpcloet on Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:17 am

Winning 1 game was the final decision after a long series of discussions and analysis. The original draft and recommendation started at a win rate of .500. Based on statistics and analysis along with arguments like getting "screwed" by dice etc., and the impact on behaviors of said rate, and the thread in the CLA, it was eventually (over months) reduced to 1 win. It was a lot of work just to get it to 1, so this likely won't go to 0. I do realize that others contribute in other ways, however, the contribution has to be verifiable in an independent way. Clan organization medal is on a future scope and with gaming privileges, we can leverage a future system to issue those.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Qwert on Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:41 am

"Winning 1 game was the final decision after a long series of discussions and analysis"
hmm,its very hard to find these topic, or community not be included in these discussion?
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Leehar on Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:00 pm

qwert wrote:"Winning 1 game was the final decision after a long series of discussions and analysis"
hmm,its very hard to find these topic, or community not be included in these discussion?

That was the probably concluded with the CLA's input

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Re: Clan Medals

Postby jpcloet on Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:30 pm

qwert wrote:"Winning 1 game was the final decision after a long series of discussions and analysis"
hmm,its very hard to find these topic, or community not be included in these discussion?


Started with the Clan Directors forum, continued with input from admin, lots of analysis and further conversations via CD forum and pms with admin, then clarifications and discussion within the CLA forum, more pms and conversations with admin in CD forum etc. etc.

At this point I should thank all those involved in getting this done. It was quite a bit of work and conversation.

Andydufresne, lackattack, Masli, Night Strike, Chipv, CLA members, a few clan members who located missing games in wars etc., TD's suggestions on how to issue medals, qwert's suggestion poll, all the clan contacts who maintain and update each war thread and so on..... :D
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby jpcloet on Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:20 pm

jpcloet wrote:I've now issued about 70 of the 100 wars that have had the analysis done. Will continue later on tonight and will try and leave a few for Masli so he gets some experience in this area. There are about 10-15 wars where the analysis has not been done, and will be done once we move to a single file system.


I've issued most of the medals. Next steps are the completed wars without analysis and then following up with the 3 to 4 wars that have incomplete documentation.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Hatchman on Sun Dec 05, 2010 5:21 pm

Your hard work is appreciated jp!
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby chemefreak on Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:12 pm

hatchman wrote:Your hard work is appreciated jp!


I second this =D>
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Chariot of Fire on Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:33 pm

I have to say it....the guy deserves a medal :D
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Commander9 on Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:07 pm

Chariot of Fire wrote:I have to say it....the guy deserves a medal :D


I don't think that a single medal would actually represent how much hard work he has done for all of us. Maybe two? :lol:
But... It was so artistically done.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Gold Knight on Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:45 pm

Commander9 wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:I have to say it....the guy deserves a medal :D


I don't think that a single medal would actually represent how much hard work he has done for all of us. Maybe two? :lol:


What the hell is this? Why is everyone sweet-talking JP? Please, I miss the criticism. Im going to go make three threads now on how much his ladders suck and how hes trying to impose restrictions on clans unfairly to make up for all of you kissing his ass... :lol:

But i agree. The fact that he pulls all of this off, while leading our clan, and dealing with all the lunatics that frequent the clan forums ;) is quite a feat.
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby chemefreak on Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:47 pm

Gold Knight wrote:
Commander9 wrote:
Chariot of Fire wrote:I have to say it....the guy deserves a medal :D


I don't think that a single medal would actually represent how much hard work he has done for all of us. Maybe two? :lol:


What the hell is this? Why is everyone sweet-talking JP? Please, I miss the criticism. Im going to go make three threads now on how much his ladders suck and how hes trying to impose restrictions on clans unfairly to make up for all of you kissing his ass... :lol:

But i agree. The fact that he pulls all of this off, while leading our clan, and dealing with all the lunatics that frequent the clan forums ;) is quite a feat.


You are right...we need to criticize...where the hell is my Mythology medal? Slacker ;)
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Dako on Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:43 am

Who has the most clan medals now?
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Re: Clan Medals

Postby Hatchman on Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:38 am

Dako wrote:Who has the most clan medals now?


Would have to be Blitz :lol:
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