The International Clan League [Cancelled]

[IcePack]

Even with clans making their own games would be a mess, like this it's going to be really hard to keep up with schedule.

You guys will have to be prepared for lots of flexibility.

Clan's aren't making their own games, they just got to get me information on time. With the scheduling being out right in the beginning, you can literally plan the entire season ahead of time if you like.

Flexibility is one thing, consistantly missing deadlines so I can't get organized and games out is another thing.
We will see how this evolves.
IcePack

[benga]

Even with clans making their own games would be a mess, like this it's going to be really hard to keep up with schedule.

You guys will have to be prepared for lots of flexibility.

Clan's aren't making their own games, they just got to get me information on time. With the scheduling being out right in the beginning, you can literally plan the entire season ahead of time if you like.

Flexibility is one thing, consistantly missing deadlines so I can't get organized and games out is another thing.
We will see how this evolves.
IcePack

I know who is making games and you still don't understand how this painful is going to be.

Planning ahead is req, but how to plan people going on vacations, going freemium, etc.

This just a game, not a job, schedule is hard to follow for wars that only come in 2 sets,
we are talking about 4 months with games coming out every 4(aprox) days.

This is me just posting my concerns, that come out from my experience here.

Anyway, good luck to all and have fun!

edit:

I suggest if the game load or whatever becomes too big, that the league takes a week or two brake.
I used it myself in Random League and it was to all-clans benefit.
Don't push anything too strong if it will be hurtful to the event itself.

Take care.

[IcePack]

Hey Benga,
I do appreciate / understand the feedback. I'm pretty sure we will do fine and have a few ideas if things are a bit burdensome.

However, 76 sets of 3 in 4 months isn't unreasonable for each clan. While its not a job, the clans have committed to fulfill these games based on game loads and approx schedules.

I don't feel like asking clans to do 76 sets ontime in 4 months is unreasonable, especially when you consider that means I'm creating 6,840 games in 4 months onetime for everyone to enjoy. (57 a DAY, on average) talk about not being a job....

Anyway, I promise to be fair, understanding and reasonable. The idea is to have fun competitively. Like I said, I'll be understanding as long as it doesn't trample the event or create such a burden upon my own self while running it.

IcePack

[IcePack]

Sign up's officially closed. We will be moving forward with 32 teams after some discussions.

BotFM also replied late via PM having interest. They are #33 and will be our "reserve" clan.

Next year we hope to expand the ICL, so those who missed the deadline or aren't involved - we look forward to you participating next year!

Please post all Rosters and 2 contacts for each clan by May 10th if you haven't already done so. Conferences and Divisions will be posted in the upcoming days for review / minor feedback. Schedules should be posted shortly thereafter.

IcePack

[skillfusniper33]

IGNI Roster

Captain: Skillfusniper33
Co-Captian: CJ Lues

Players:
1. Skillfusniper33
2. captain101
3. Kalano Sanchin
4. Robbiedub
5. Underated
6. Ltrain
7. Sundog308
8. Greenjeans
9. magiw
10. Proximus Ventor
11. Pheonix.bradley
12. Mattastrophe
13. CJ Lues
14. Outsider
15. Dreadcat

[IcePack]

Thank you, I'm nearly done Divisions just waiting on some more feedback from others before its posted.
Tomorrow I'll update some of the rosters that have been PM'd / posted in the meantime, and Wednesday the Conferences & Divisions should be posted for everyone to review and I'll be working on schedules.

Schedules will hopefully be posted on the 10th, same day all the rosters are due. That gives everyone some time to review schedules and start planning well in advance to our start. I suggest "busy" clans send in as many home games as they feel comfortable sending ahead of time to create less work for themselves as the season moves on.

IcePack

[MNDuke]

Hey IcePack & MNDuke

Info as follows ..

Captain: Emmdizzle
Co: Ponygal

1. Paddy The Cat
2. Das killa
3. Meanest Boss Ever
4. Eldritch
5. Red42
6. MSex
7. King Tet
8. Gannable
9. Ironwood
10. MC05025

Cheers guys, We look forward to the challenges ICL brings to the table - thanks, Mark

[MudPuppy]

Thank you, I'm nearly done Divisions just waiting on some more feedback from others before its posted.
Tomorrow I'll update some of the rosters that have been PM'd / posted in the meantime, and Wednesday the Conferences & Divisions should be posted for everyone to review and I'll be working on schedules.

Schedules will hopefully be posted on the 10th, same day all the rosters are due. That gives everyone some time to review schedules and start planning well in advance to our start. I suggest "busy" clans send in as many home games as they feel comfortable sending ahead of time to create less work for themselves as the season moves on.

IcePack

The conferences and divisions will be divided up based upon current rankings and a general consensus from ICL Leaders (and input from the public)

Is there still going to be an "input from the public" review stage of the divisions? While I imagine your methodology for dividing teams up will be sound and I'm not really worried about it too much, it's unknown to me... other than it's somehow based on current rankings (presumable F400). I envision something like a reverse snake order between Conferences with a secondary reverse snake order between divisions to make everything fairly even from both conference & division perspectives:

Premier Conference:
Heroes Division:

• 1
• 12
• 13
• 24
• 25

Champions Division:

• 4
• 9
• 16
• 21
• 28

Pioneers Division:

• 5
• 8
• 17
• 20
• 29

Elite Conference:
Legends Division:

• 2
• 11
• 14
• 23
• 26

Kings Division:

• 3
• 10
• 15
• 22
• 27

Titans Division:

• 6
• 7
• 18
• 19
• 30

Then perhaps with a final review & minor shifting of clans if anything looks too weird???
However it's done, I'm looking forward to the season. It all looks fantastic.

[IcePack]

MudPuppy,
I finished it last night. Essentially yes I followed a rough format of what you suggested. I'll go into more detail when I post it later today (a few hours from now).
There will be a review period, so far everyone who's reviewed all have been positive, so I'm not sure how much tweaking will be needed. However major concerns that perhaps I didn't see will be definitely taken into account
IcePack

[MudPuppy]

(a few hours from now)

[Janomike]

Sorry for the delay, we completly forgot to update the post with our roster!

Here we go:

RA - Risk Attackers
Captain: VioIet
Co-Captain: Janomike

List of players:

Falkomagno
Trailman
Fuzzy316
shm78
weepoleon
MrPipes
Scipio79
mackadoo
Roussallier
P*Funk!

[IcePack]

And now the moment we've all been waiting for, announcments for the inaugural ICL Conferences and Divisions make up!

First let me announce that as we have 32 clans signed up - we will have 2 Conferences and eight divisions! (4 teams each division) The Premier Conference will see the addition of the Immortals Division; and the Elite Conference will expand with the Explorers Division!

Next: The process - each clan had its ranking from F400 taken into consideration. Some clans didn't have a ranking - and therefore estimates were used. There was minor edits just to balance / eliminate ties on my part but largely remained intact.

I then worked my way from the bottom up: filling the bottom out to each division and working my way to the top 9-16. Then I assigned clans #1-8 a random number, and had a non-CC player randomly assign top division clans (to remove possibilty of bias).

I then calculated avg expected "weight" of each conference and division and then totaled each conf and division as they were. Then to create minor balance adjustments to overall weights I moved 4 of the lower clans around, which created a reasonably even weight within each conference and division.

Overall I believe the process was fair, unbiased and turned out splendidly. I think and hope it remains competitive not only this year, but builds rivalries for wars to come.

Without further ado, I present the Inaugural International Clan League of 2012!

Overall here are the point breakdowns:
Avg Conf Expected: 345 Points
Avg Div Expected: 86.25 Points

Premier Conference: 347
Hero 86; Champion 88; Pioneers 87; Immortals 86
Elite Conference: 343
Legends 81; Kings 86; Explorers 87; Titans 89

Premier Conference:
Hero: DYN / WAR / TNC / RA
Champion: AFOS / MYTH / MM / RET
Pioneers: EMP / LOW / IGNI / LOTZ
Immortals: FOED / LEG / KOA / MB

Elite Conference:
Legends: TOFU / MD / AKA / TDB
Kings: PIG / TFFS / OSA / RH
Explorers: ID / LHDD / HH / Ultim8's
Titans: AOC / GR / 1RFG / SOH

IcePack

[Agent 86]

Great work Ice..this is truly going to be great!! So looking forwrd to this since Duke announced it!

GL everyone.

86

[IcePack]

Small Update: 32 clan format and playoff system posted on first page. Updated first page to include these conference and division placements.

Rosters are due by May 10. Roster updates and final PM warnings to clans will be issued tomorrow. Schedule released May 10th approx.

IcePack

[MudPuppy]

I'd like to see the seeds by team but overall it looks fine.

The Elite Conference seems to have gotten the larger share of top clans with the 3,7,9,11 F400 ranked clans (7.5 avg.) while Premier has the 5,8,10,13 F400 ranked clans (9.0 avg.). I would have liked to have seen those more evenly distributed between conferences but it's not a big deal.

Thanks for the hard work, guys. Looking forward to the season!!!

[The Voice]

Thanks so much for hosting this, guys. Good luck, everyone!

[IcePack]

I'd like to see the seeds by team but overall it looks fine.

The Elite Conference seems to have gotten the larger share of top clans with the 3,7,9,11 F400 ranked clans (7.5 avg.) while Premier has the 5,8,10,13 F400 ranked clans (9.0 avg.). I would have liked to have seen those more evenly distributed between conferences but it's not a big deal.

Thanks for the hard work, guys. Looking forward to the season!!!

With the random drawing / placement of the top 8 to ensure unbiased, minor diff are expected. Also, the F400 is based on current standing while ICL is built with sports league mentality of "these teams will fluctuate year to year".

The diff in top 1-5 and 6-10 are very minor overall, and with random placement it's about as fair as could be. And when you look at the expected weights conference wide, they are very close and as you said, the Elite Conference has just a slightly higher difficulty level overall than premier, but not a statistically relevant amount. Expected weight avg was 345 and elite was 343 and premier was 347. Both 2 pts +/- from expected.

I think year to year this group will fluctuate well, while if I tweak to much for the "right now" ranking, it may affect to heavy one side or the other in the future.

Anyway, I'm glad the feedback do far is largely positive both in forum and privately. I don't expect to many hiccups.

IcePack

[cookie0117]

This is looking very good

[benga]

Do we get to keep our conference and division in next season?

[Leehar]

Who's RH and when did they get in?

[IcePack]

benga - the ultimate goal is to build permanent places into the ICL for future years.
This will be adjusted as little as possible, but can be changed due to number of sign ups, etc.
If we expand or contract year to year it may mean a change in number of divisions or teams per division. We will address this next year, but this is the answer that is the "goal".

Leehar - Random Heroes, they signed up via PM. I'd have to look into time / date.

[IcePack]

Roster Updates Completed Early.

FYI PM's went out on May 4th to all clans that hadn't submitted rosters yet.

We are still waiting on rosters from the following:

RH

[Denise]

Thanks, IcePack. Nice job.

[IcePack]

Thank you. Clan info are slowly rolling in. While we waiting we are finalizing schedules.

Thanks for your patience and helping us get the ICL started successfully

IcePack

[dazza2008]

The New Crusade

Captain: dazza2008
Co-Captain: Ragian

1. dazza2008
2. Ragian
3. tokle
4. BlackKnight_6
5. TheCrown
6. ejph
7. thunderhue
8. dana1971
9. Ckyrias
10. EminenceGrise