Conquer Club

• Change the name of Nuclear Spoils to Meteor Spoils

• The current "Nuclear Spoils" are not focused like a nuclear attack, but random like a meteor strike.
• Nuclear strikes are focused, planned attacks.
• Meteor Strikes are not focused, are random, and destroy friend or foe.
• The current "Nuclear Spoils" are random, it is possible to "nuke" yourself, your teammates, and your opponent; when push comes to shove you can be forced to "nuke" yourself or your teammate and you might not even be able to "nuke" your opponents.
• The current "Nuclear Spoils" is more like a meteor strike and less like a nuclear strike.
• Could also change the name to IED, Pipe Bomb, Terrorist, Grenade, Darwinian or Random Attack. All of these terms (and others not listed) more closely describe what current "Nuclear Spoils" accomplishes because they can be random, can be perpetrated purposefully or accidentally against yourself or your teammates, and allows players to remove themselves from the game in a semantically more likely manner.

• Will allow a new type of spoils that more closely matches what a nuclear strike accomplishes to be developed for CC
• If done quickly, can be adopted before rolling out a "Nuclear" Medal.
• Shows the players that the admins can admit when they were wrong.
• Provides some continuity between the real world and the conquerclub world.

CreepersWiener wrote:I'm down with that.
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Jatekos wrote:Agreed. As someone pointed out to me, the idea of nuclear attacks can be a bit weird on historical maps. The suggested name change could also make this setting less incongruous on a number of maps.

Jatekos wrote:Agreed. As someone pointed out to me, the idea of nuclear attacks can be a bit weird on historical maps. The suggested name change could also make this setting less incongruous on a number of maps.

Queen_Herpes wrote:

Jatekos wrote:Agreed. As someone pointed out to me, the idea of nuclear attacks can be a bit weird on historical maps. The suggested name change could also make this setting less incongruous on a number of maps.

Please explain the incongruity.

Jatekos wrote:

Queen_Herpes wrote:

Jatekos wrote:Agreed. As someone pointed out to me, the idea of nuclear attacks can be a bit weird on historical maps. The suggested name change could also make this setting less incongruous on a number of maps.

Please explain the incongruity.

Let me give a couple of examples: maps like Alexander's Empire, Ancient Greece, Circus Maximus, etc. all refer to a period of history when there were no nuclear weapons as far as I know.

CreepersWiener wrote:May I suggest that if a person is that much of a true-to-history individual, that she refrain from playing such spoil options. It is quite easy to do, you just select Flat Rate, or something else other than the Nuke option.

Jatekos wrote:

Queen_Herpes wrote:

Jatekos wrote:Agreed. As someone pointed out to me, the idea of nuclear attacks can be a bit weird on historical maps. The suggested name change could also make this setting less incongruous on a number of maps.

Please explain the incongruity.

Let me give a couple of examples: maps like Alexander's Empire, Ancient Greece, Circus Maximus, etc. all refer to a period of history when there were no nuclear weapons as far as I know.

However, I would like to point out that Nuke option plays very well on a FoW Waterloo map!

It would be really fun, and a good way to eliminate stalemates if the cards received would not be affected by the cards in one's hand. I.e. holding a card and stacking on the relevant territory would not decrease the chance of another player nuking that territory, because anyone could have the same card as you.

BrutalBob wrote:1. A meteor strike, whilst not completely unpredictable is random. I would have several ssues with the use of this name

2. You seem to be confusing "Nuclear Spoils", something that could potentially be imprecise with "Nuclear Missile Spoils". Nuclear missiles being relatively precise.

Queen_Herpes wrote:

BrutalBob wrote:1. A meteor strike, whilst not completely unpredictable is random. I would have several ssues with the use of this name

2. You seem to be confusing "Nuclear Spoils", something that could potentially be imprecise with "Nuclear Missile Spoils". Nuclear missiles being relatively precise.

The term "Nuclear" (as it pertains to a warfare-strategy game like conquerclub) represents one of two connotations:
-First, and most likely, "nuclear" represents a calculated, precise, directed, organized attack using a nuclear weapon. It doesn't matter if the weapon is a missile, a bomb, or and Improvised device. The "nuclear" attack is planned and targets an area.
-Second, and less likely, "nuclear" represents an unplanned, miscalculated accident. This can happen with a nuclear weapon, a nuclear power device, or nuclear waste. However miscalculated, a nuclear accident can be expected to take place where nuclear fuel, waste, or weapons are located. This connotation has little strategical value for a strategy game like conquerclub. The assumption is, however, that the presence of accidental nuclear destruction occurs because there is tactical nuclear capability present. Conquerclub has no tactical, planned nuclear strike capability in gameplay.

Neither of these connotations fits how the nuclear spoils currently operates in gameplay. However, "Meteor Strike" has a connotation that more closely approximates how it is that the current "Nuclear Spoils" operates in gameplay. The current "Nuclear Spoils" is completely random, and its name should be replaced with a real world event that is destructive and random like "Meteor Spoils."

Queen_Herpes wrote:The term "Nuclear" (as it pertains to a warfare-strategy game like conquerclub) represents one of two connotations:
-First, and most likely, "nuclear" represents a calculated, precise, directed, organized attack using a nuclear weapon. It doesn't matter if the weapon is a missile, a bomb, or and Improvised device. The "nuclear" attack is planned and targets an area.
-Second, and less likely, "nuclear" represents an unplanned, miscalculated accident. This can happen with a nuclear weapon, a nuclear power device, or nuclear waste. However miscalculated, a nuclear accident can be expected to take place where nuclear fuel, waste, or weapons are located. This connotation has little strategical value for a strategy game like conquerclub. The assumption is, however, that the presence of accidental nuclear destruction occurs because there is tactical nuclear capability present. Conquerclub has no tactical, planned nuclear strike capability in gameplay.

Neither of these connotations fits how the nuclear spoils currently operates in gameplay. However, "Meteor Strike" has a connotation that more closely approximates how it is that the current "Nuclear Spoils" operates in gameplay. The current "Nuclear Spoils" is completely random, and its name should be replaced with a real world event that is destructive and random like "Meteor Spoils."

BrutalBob wrote:

Queen_Herpes wrote:The term "Nuclear" (as it pertains to a warfare-strategy game like conquerclub) represents one of two connotations:
-First, and most likely, "nuclear" represents a calculated, precise, directed, organized attack using a nuclear weapon. It doesn't matter if the weapon is a missile, a bomb, or and Improvised device. The "nuclear" attack is planned and targets an area.
-Second, and less likely, "nuclear" represents an unplanned, miscalculated accident. This can happen with a nuclear weapon, a nuclear power device, or nuclear waste. However miscalculated, a nuclear accident can be expected to take place where nuclear fuel, waste, or weapons are located. This connotation has little strategical value for a strategy game like conquerclub. The assumption is, however, that the presence of accidental nuclear destruction occurs because there is tactical nuclear capability present. Conquerclub has no tactical, planned nuclear strike capability in gameplay.

Neither of these connotations fits how the nuclear spoils currently operates in gameplay. However, "Meteor Strike" has a connotation that more closely approximates how it is that the current "Nuclear Spoils" operates in gameplay. The current "Nuclear Spoils" is completely random, and its name should be replaced with a real world event that is destructive and random like "Meteor Spoils."

I would suggest that the term "Nuclear" is used for its notion of complete devastation- not for any reasons of accuracy or the ability to pinpoint.

I would also argue again that the choice you have with the cards you select do not translate well to a meteor strike.

Incidentally do you know what proportion of meteor(ites) are harmless and in fact inflict no damage whatsoever?

Finally, you couldnt sugest the use of nuclear weapons is completely safe with no risk of self harm