Conquer Club

[MOD EDIT: Made some changes to the OP for clarity -- agentcom]

porkenbeans' suggestion:

porkenbeans wrote:Concise description:

• Make one for seq. and one for freestyle.

Specifics:

• The top of the leaderboard is nothing but freestylers. So, under this addition, a player will actualy have 2 diff. ranks. One rank on the freestyle leaderboard, and one rank on the seq. leaderboard.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
[list]
[*]It will allow the rest of us, the ones that do not care for freestyle to compete against each other. There will be 2 conquers as a result. One from each camp.

Blitz' suggestion/rant

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Blitzaholic wrote:What does the CC community think about the split of the scoreboard-SEQUENTIAL score and FREESTYLE score


There is no doubt both require certain levels of skill, but really are different games.


Speed Freestyle should even be in another class or bracket, it is a monster advantage for those with clickable maps and the fastest computers, and not as much skill involved here if you have these advantages, agreed? Now if all had clickable maps and all had the equal speed of computers, then it would, CC created a huge loophole when they allowed this, the major reason why the point inflation.

I dislike all ideas to organize the scoreboard by game types. It should be an overall thing not by individual ways of playing CC.

btw add a poll

well better yet, maybe leave the scoreboard as it is and someone like chipv creates a top 25 thread for freestyle scores, top 25 for sequential scores?


this would be most excellent if one could generate these stats?

Blitzaholic wrote:well better yet, maybe leave the scoreboard as it is and someone like chipv creates a top 25 thread for freestyle scores, top 25 for sequential scores?


this would be most excellent if one could generate these stats?

yea that would be a much better way of going about it

Blitzaholic wrote:well better yet, maybe leave the scoreboard as it is and someone like chipv creates a top 25 thread for freestyle scores, top 25 for sequential scores?


this would be most excellent if one could generate these stats?

Anyone could create a thread on this!

Just use the game finder and plug in the names you want like the other threads.

Map Rank will accept any game finder selection combination.

Blitzaholic wrote: So, this is why the suggestion of a separate score for each, one for sequential, one for freestyle, and one for freestyle speed.

Dunno if that's feasible. Over 3 million games have been played. To implement this idea (if keeping peoples' current scores) it would be necessary to recalculate the scores from game 1.

Guess it may possibly be feasible. Handing out 1000 points to each player for each type of scoreboard letting the game engine simulate the development from game 1 to the last finished game. But then it would be necessary to take into account the changes already made into the score award rules. All in all, seems like a daunting task. Dunno if it would be done.

I would support it though.

You should have a few main categories like freestyle (speed) and sequential, but the best solution would be to customize the ranking as you see fit (for instance a bit like the Game Finder). I'll whip up a screenshot tonight to illustrate my suggestion.

Frop wrote:You should have a few main categories like freestyle (speed) and sequential, but the best solution would be to customize the ranking as you see fit (for instance a bit like the Game Finder). I'll whip up a screenshot tonight to illustrate my suggestion.

ok, ty frop

pimphawks70 wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:well better yet, maybe leave the scoreboard as it is and someone like chipv creates a top 25 thread for freestyle scores, top 25 for sequential scores?


this would be most excellent if one could generate these stats?

yea that would be a much better way of going about it

I gave it more thought and AGREED

i'm not a fan of the three scoreboards

1 is fine as it is, even if i'm way at the bottom... i'd rather be down low in 1 scoreboard, not 3

Blitzaholic wrote:

pimphawks70 wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:well better yet, maybe leave the scoreboard as it is and someone like chipv creates a top 25 thread for freestyle scores, top 25 for sequential scores?


this would be most excellent if one could generate these stats?

yea that would be a much better way of going about it

I gave it more thought and AGREED

I disagree, Map Rank is heavier on the database as it needs to load all the game logs and should only be used incidentally. Integrated scoreboards would be a lot more efficient.

Not necessarily, Frop. I have an idea that will help facilitate this.

The site has already rejected this sort of idea because of the missing game logs

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1752&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

I still need an overall scoreboard for the top scores

Leave Britney alone!!!

I have a different choice, Scoreboard for team players and scoreboard for singles players.

Leave the scoreboard the way it is. You'll never satisfy everyone, and when it really comes down to it, all you need to do is click on someone's profile and click on "find all games with" player to find out what sort of games they prefer to give their rank some context.

Besides, there's no more advantage to CM and connection speed than there is to four guys all on AIM taking freestyle quads turns, or farming noobs in freestyle 1v1s, or any of the other dozen-or-so ways of increasing one's odds for victory.

And when it comes to the very very top of the scoreboard, anyone who cares already knows what sorts of games the highest-ranked players play.

That's very cool Blitz. I was going to post the suggestion myself last week or so but got cold feet.

Why not have a game finder type scoreboard? Basically on top of the page there will be a search which is exactly like game finder, but instead of showing the games, it will show people and their scores with only the type of game you selected. So then you can see a team scoreboard, a terminator, assasin, sequential, freestyle, escalating, by maps, by number of players, by only tournament games, by fog, no fog...

It would make a nearly infinite number of scoreboards, some of which would have barely any people on them, yet the all maps, all settings scoreboard should always be on the page, the others will be through a customized scoreboard link at the top.

Excellent suggestion King.

U should have ur categories and an overall scoreboard to still see who's the best

a) Casual vs Speed
We rate speed games with same ratio as casual games. That's very stupid, it would be better to not rate them at all. But, fortunately, that's problem is very easy to solve.
I think we should rate speed games with coefficient 0.2 (multiply with 4 instead of 20). So, when you beat 5 players with same score as yours - you should earn 20 points instead of 100. When you lose - you lose 4 instead of 20. It's that simple.
"Speed industrials" shouldn't object - speed games point farming would still remain MUCH more efficient than playing casual (24h) games.
I wanted to officially suggest that change the very moment speed games have been established (because it's so natural). The only reason I missed to do it was - laziness.
What do you think?

b) Single vs Team
I' don't see a reason to separate those two game types. You can't be a good player in one and a bad player in other type. Everybody plays what s/he prefers... It's true that winning a team game is much easier, but point reward difference is perfectly corresponding. So, once again, I don't see any problem there...

c) Sequential vs Freestyle
Well, we have a general problem - point farming. Although this problem is most obvious in this context, it's still a general problem. Manufactures are superior to old-fashioned workshops; industrial factories are superior to manufactures; robotic factories are superior to factories with human workers... You know what I mean*?
* (Probably not, because of my bad English... So I have to ask some extremely fine English speaker (sorry jiminski, but you're the only one I know ) to explain what I am trying to say. And please, explain them the significance of Spinning Jennifer )

In one word - you can't be on the very top without highly automated point robbing of weaker players. Knowing that freestyle games are much more suitable for point farming, we can claim the conclusion:
You can't be on the very top without (industrial!) playing of freestyle games.

Is it a problem? Yes. Do we have a solution? I don't think so.
Yes, best freestylers rule and we have to live with that. Splitting scoreboards would achieve nothing...

Blitzaholic wrote:

Speed Freestyle should even be in another class or bracket, it is a monster advantage for those with clickable maps and the fastest computers, and not as much skill involved here if you have these advantages, agreed?

Wow....then I chuckled.

Scott-Land wrote:

Blitzaholic wrote:

Speed Freestyle should even be in another class or bracket, it is a monster advantage for those with clickable maps and the fastest computers, and not as much skill involved here if you have these advantages, agreed?

Wow....then I chuckled.

Scott I think he more means 1 vs 1 games. Not the 8 man speed games we play. Those take tons of skill to win.

Game Finder wouldnt work for scoreboards because it would work like the map rank does. If you had to separate the scoreboards, the point systems would have to be entirely separate.

Because atm it shows me as something like a cook in sequential games, and I assure you, Im at least Major status potentilaly colonel in sequential games. Its just because I have an even higher score than currently in freestyle that the two are averaging out.

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sure, why not... this is something as simple as the Olympics...

in the Olympics there is NOT one scoreboard of the best athletes in point order,
but rather a list of each event, showing the best of each...

Afterall... How do you compare swimmers to pole vaulters???