Conquer Club

Concise description:
This is a new concept for CC. A group of players and forum-goers voted into a general body that has power. This means the end of the ModSquad and the beginning of something new. Please read on

Specifics:
ALL GROUPS WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. To have a fair governing body, all people must have a say. That means that Flamers, Spammers, High ranks, low ranks, and everyone else would have an congressman (or something in that vein) to represent them. When a controversial change is about to happen (Like Flame wars being deleted), the congress would be notified of it, and would need to put it to a vote. If the majority of the congress votes in favor of said change, then the change would go into effect. This whole thing is a checks and balance approach to how CC deals with the website. Almost like a veto, if lack was the president.


This will improve the following aspects of the site:
People would not complain to the degree they are now. The usual comment is that the Mods are out of control and do whatever the hell they want. Now, every major change (including perma-bans) has to be voted on to pass. Players will be happy, and will feel like theur opinion means something.

but this is a business. As such it is run as an oligarchy. An elected body has other types of bias and imperfection, and would slow down the application of updates and other such things. An elected body is practical as a government perhaps but not as an effective model to run a business.

Darwins_Bane wrote:but this is a business. As such it is run as an oligarchy. An elected body has other types of bias and imperfection, and would slow down the application of updates and other such things. An elected body is practical as a government perhaps but not as an effective model to run a business.

I think in the long run, slower updates will benefit the community more. An elected body can mull it over, and make a good decision. There is bias and imperfection everywhere. Gathering a group of well-respected members of the community from all different groups and ideas would be the best way.

A members Association might be better. Officers etc could always be sorted out if the actual way the members wanted to be represented was resolved initially.

Fruitcake wrote:A members Association might be better. Officers etc could always be sorted out if the actual way the members wanted to be represented was resolved initially.

Yeah. None of this is exact. I was just making the idea and seeing if the community likes it.

The whole point is to put a check to the power of Lack. While his decision is final because he is the creator and owner if the site, i think we as the members should have a body that can question a bad update, or try and improve it.

this game is about playing risk online, why can't you people just play risk, that's all !!!
i never had problems with mods and i don't know why you people always complain about them

PLAY RISK !! that's what this site is all about, if you don't like to play then don't log in

ben79 wrote:this game is about playing risk online, why can't you people just play risk, that's all !!!
i never had problems with mods and i don't know why you people always complain about them

PLAY RISK !! that's what this site is all about, if you don't like to play then don't log in

The fact that you are here, reading this forum shows that playing this game is not all that you do, so your argument does kind of lose any weight it may have had. Yes I know its a catch 22...join the club many of us now feel we are in.

Fruitcake wrote:

ben79 wrote:this game is about playing risk online, why can't you people just play risk, that's all !!!
i never had problems with mods and i don't know why you people always complain about them

PLAY RISK !! that's what this site is all about, if you don't like to play then don't log in

The fact that you are here, reading this forum shows that playing this game is not all that you do, so your argument does kind of lose any weight it may have had. Yes I know its a catch 22...join the club many of us now feel we are in.

yes i sometimes read/post in the forums but why all the fuss about the mods, never had a warning, why ? because i play the game, yes maybe tease some people but always try to stay within the CC guidelines! Fun that's what thisd site is all about not pissing people off ! think about it and you'll have a better experience in CC

ben79 wrote:

Fruitcake wrote:

ben79 wrote:this game is about playing risk online, why can't you people just play risk, that's all !!!
i never had problems with mods and i don't know why you people always complain about them

PLAY RISK !! that's what this site is all about, if you don't like to play then don't log in

The fact that you are here, reading this forum shows that playing this game is not all that you do, so your argument does kind of lose any weight it may have had. Yes I know its a catch 22...join the club many of us now feel we are in.

yes i sometimes read/post in the forums but why all the fuss about the mods, never had a warning, why ? because i play the game, yes maybe tease some people but always try to stay within the CC guidelines! Fun that's what thisd site is all about not pissing people off ! think about it and you'll have a better experience in CC

It's good that you play that way, but many people object to the way that the mods are handling their power.

It's good that you play that way, but many people object to the way that the mods are handling their power.[/quote]

if in the instructions it says -> no flaming and you flame why being surprised that you are ban ?
if it says no multiple accounts and you have more than 1 why be surprised ?
if it says ... you know what i mean right !

i like the idea

ben79 wrote:

Fruitcake wrote:

ben79 wrote:this game is about playing risk online, why can't you people just play risk, that's all !!!
i never had problems with mods and i don't know why you people always complain about them

PLAY RISK !! that's what this site is all about, if you don't like to play then don't log in

The fact that you are here, reading this forum shows that playing this game is not all that you do, so your argument does kind of lose any weight it may have had. Yes I know its a catch 22...join the club many of us now feel we are in.

yes i sometimes read/post in the forums but why all the fuss about the mods, never had a warning, why ? because i play the game, yes maybe tease some people but always try to stay within the CC guidelines! Fun that's what thisd site is all about not pissing people off ! think about it and you'll have a better experience in CC

Perhaps this isn't solely about the Mods...

Business is littered with Consumer Associations; they do a lot of good things. Maybe CC is arriving at a watershed moment where an Association acting on behalf of the people who pay for the privilege, and to a lesser extent for obvious reasons those who don't, can help improve the site further. What or where this may go is yet to be decided. The crucial matter is to form an idea, kick it about. From this natural start real ideas will evolve and flourish from the discussion of such a thing. From these ideas real strategies and structures can be formed. To dismiss such an idea from a subjective view is not only short term, as this is a long term thing lets be clear, but also denies what many may wish for but are unable to articulate until the ball starts rolling.

To assume as you have done that I will have a better experience if I followed your path presupposes you know what I find enjoyable in an experience. Try to be less subjective and see the whole picture.

i'm trying to see the whole picture but i don't get why you would need an association to take things further. There's already a lots of forums where you can improve things here on CC ( sugestion forum, map foundry, strategy, off-topics forum, general discussion, etc ... ) why would you need an assosiation for the players, why ?

ben79 wrote:i'm trying to see the whole picture but i don't get why you would need an association to take things further. There's already a lots of forums where you can improve things here on CC ( sugestion forum, map foundry, strategy, off-topics forum, general discussion, etc ... ) why would you need an assosiation for the players, why ?

The present set up does not allow, in general, for the incremental negotiation between the consumers (you, myself and all other members) and the supplier, Lack.

well it seems you really need it, then do it, maybe i'm the only one who feel that this site is perfect, except maybe the dice sometimes

I keep using the deletion of Flame Wars as an example.

Many users frequented and enjoyed this forum. Had there been an association, they could have been notified prior to the change, and debated whether or not to agree to this change. They would take into consideration the positive and negative vaules that the forum gives to the site, and make a good decision based on the opinions of all members. While the elected flamer would disagree and state his case, another player could counter-argue, and so on.

jnd94 wrote:I keep using the deletion of Flame Wars as an example.

Many users frequented and enjoyed this forum. Had there been an association, they could have been notified prior to the change, and debated whether or not to agree to this change. They would take into consideration the positive and negative vaules that the forum gives to the site, and make a good decision based on the opinions of all members. While the elected flamer would disagree and state his case, another player could counter-argue, and so on.

But what would that have really accomplished in the end? You still have to have someone make the final decision to pull the trigger on any changes, so some side will still feel like their opinions weren't considered. I think the admins can do a good enough job on their own to decide the pros and cons of each decision, and there are the occasions where the mods are also included in the decision process in case other opinions are needed.

Night Strike wrote:

jnd94 wrote:I keep using the deletion of Flame Wars as an example.

Many users frequented and enjoyed this forum. Had there been an association, they could have been notified prior to the change, and debated whether or not to agree to this change. They would take into consideration the positive and negative vaules that the forum gives to the site, and make a good decision based on the opinions of all members. While the elected flamer would disagree and state his case, another player could counter-argue, and so on.

But what would that have really accomplished in the end? You still have to have someone make the final decision to pull the trigger on any changes, so some side will still feel like their opinions weren't considered. I think the admins can do a good enough job on their own to decide the pros and cons of each decision, and there are the occasions where the mods are also included in the decision process in case other opinions are needed.

Yes, but don't forget the most important piece to this entire puzzle. The moderators can't possibly make a proper decision on their own, they are all power hungry and abusive, remember? And goodness knows that the admins are just mindless drones working under the sway of the all powerful turtle-man who they've duped and misguided into thinking all is well with the world. They could never make a true, informed decision on their own, that would be blasphemy!

In other news, while the idea of a "council" or "congress" of sorts sounds good at the moment, I think you would find it nearly impossible to implement to any effectiveness. Groups would constantly think they were under-represented, not to mention being treated unfairly regardless of the ultimate "informed" decision that was made. The bigger problem I see is finding enough individuals who can properly dedicate the time to making such a suggestion or system actually flourish.

I don't believe you can find enough people out there who can (or more appropriately are willing) to do what it takes to make something like this work for the very same reason we can't find enough moderators to give the community the coverage and consistency that it keeps clamoring for. Nobody wants to deal with the drama and the bickering, most of them are just here to have fun, not deal with bureaucracy and diplomacy.

Optimus Prime wrote:Yes, but don't forget the most important piece to this entire puzzle. The moderators can't possibly make a proper decision on their own, they are all power hungry and abusive, remember? And goodness knows that the admins are just mindless drones working under the sway of the all powerful turtle-man who they've duped and misguided into thinking all is well with the world. They could never make a true, informed decision on their own, that would be blasphemy!

Well...an interesting and well considered response from the Operations Manager

Optimus Prime wrote:In other news, while the idea of a "council" or "congress" of sorts sounds good at the moment, I think you would find it nearly impossible to implement to any effectiveness. Groups would constantly think they were under-represented, not to mention being treated unfairly regardless of the ultimate "informed" decision that was made. The bigger problem I see is finding enough individuals who can properly dedicate the time to making such a suggestion or system actually flourish.

Indeed, you have highlighted some issues. However, I have suggested an alternative....an Association. This is somewhat different to either a council or a congress.

Optimus Prime wrote:I don't believe you can find enough people out there who can (or more appropriately are willing) to do what it takes to make something like this work for the very same reason we can't find enough moderators to give the community the coverage and consistency that it keeps clamoring for. Nobody wants to deal with the drama and the bickering, most of them are just here to have fun, not deal with bureaucracy and diplomacy.

Well maybe you are unable to find enough people for reasons an Association would not suffer from. One thought springs to mind....the Association would be there for the benefit of the members and for no other reason. The issue for your quoted groups is that many perceive them as not fulfilling this. When you understand that fact you may begin to realise why this kind of thought process has even started. There are many who are happy to deal with diplomacy, they just don't want to do it from a position of having to straddle both camps, this is understandable.

This is the start of the process, no more than that. Perhaps you could be patient and let us, the community, see what it is we would like to see and decide this for ourselves.

I vote for the idea, and nominate Luns101 and TammyDeLee for representatives of thier respective clans =)

Optimus Prime wrote:

Night Strike wrote:

jnd94 wrote:I keep using the deletion of Flame Wars as an example.

Many users frequented and enjoyed this forum. Had there been an association, they could have been notified prior to the change, and debated whether or not to agree to this change. They would take into consideration the positive and negative vaules that the forum gives to the site, and make a good decision based on the opinions of all members. While the elected flamer would disagree and state his case, another player could counter-argue, and so on.

But what would that have really accomplished in the end? You still have to have someone make the final decision to pull the trigger on any changes, so some side will still feel like their opinions weren't considered. I think the admins can do a good enough job on their own to decide the pros and cons of each decision, and there are the occasions where the mods are also included in the decision process in case other opinions are needed.

Yes, but don't forget the most important piece to this entire puzzle. The moderators can't possibly make a proper decision on their own, they are all power hungry and abusive, remember? And goodness knows that the admins are just mindless drones working under the sway of the all powerful turtle-man who they've duped and misguided into thinking all is well with the world. They could never make a true, informed decision on their own, that would be blasphemy!

In other news, while the idea of a "council" or "congress" of sorts sounds good at the moment, I think you would find it nearly impossible to implement to any effectiveness. Groups would constantly think they were under-represented, not to mention being treated unfairly regardless of the ultimate "informed" decision that was made. The bigger problem I see is finding enough individuals who can properly dedicate the time to making such a suggestion or system actually flourish.

I don't believe you can find enough people out there who can (or more appropriately are willing) to do what it takes to make something like this work for the very same reason we can't find enough moderators to give the community the coverage and consistency that it keeps clamoring for. Nobody wants to deal with the drama and the bickering, most of them are just here to have fun, not deal with bureaucracy and diplomacy.

sounds like op agrees that we need a congress

Mr_Adams wrote:I vote for the idea, and nominate Luns101 and TammyDeLee for representatives of thier respective clans =)

That's kind of rushing things...with respect. There would be some way to go before we got to deciding anything like who, where and when.

Fruitcake wrote:This is the start of the process, no more than that. Perhaps you could be patient and let us, the community, see what it is we would like to see and decide this for ourselves.

I don't believe I was being impatient, you determined that in your own head. All I did was state what I believe would be a large hurdle to the idea. Continue to discuss all you want, maybe something will come of it, maybe something won't, guess we'll have to see. Doesn't mean I can't comment though. I'm part of this "community" as well, whether or not you like it, as are all the other members of TeamCC.

Optimus Prime wrote:

Fruitcake wrote:This is the start of the process, no more than that. Perhaps you could be patient and let us, the community, see what it is we would like to see and decide this for ourselves.

I don't believe I was being impatient, you determined that in your own head. All I did was state what I believe would be a large hurdle to the idea. Continue to discuss all you want, maybe something will come of it, maybe something won't, guess we'll have to see. Doesn't mean I can't comment though. I'm part of this "community" as well, whether or not you like it, as are all the other members of TeamCC.

With respect I didn't say you were being impatient. I was just asking you to be so.

I do believe to some extent that good can come from some of the suggestions..however I don't think getting "rid" of moderating and or admin all together would be a wise thing.