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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby betiko on Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:31 pm

actually I think I missunderstood agentcom's suggestion in the first place, I like it. just to be sure I understood correctly:

XXX -> 30
L-> 31
C->32
CL->33
....
CCC->36 max achievement

It seems like we finally all agreed ;)
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby agentcom on Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:44 pm

Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.


It would be. Unfortunately for mapmakers, it would still be harder for them to gain medals. But that's no change from the current system. It would still be the most prestigious of the achievement medals.

... and lol @ betiko ;)
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby greenoaks on Fri Dec 28, 2012 7:46 pm

Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.

it is not possible to fit the roman numerals in the graphic to show 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39.

so how about the graphic is unchanged until 35, then again to 40, 45, 50
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:15 pm

agentcom wrote:This is something that the admin have recently become interested in for whatever reason. Therefore, I am going to STICKY this to draw some more attention to it.

My vote is still to maintain the tradition of the roman numerals and award additional medals at a staggered level of perhaps 50 ("L"), 100 ("C") and 200 ("CC").

There will still be an imbalance in how easy medals are to earn, but I don't really see the problem of having someone like Highlanderattack getting 3 more medals for all the tourneys he's organized. And I can't wait to see cairns get the only "L" cartography medal :)


I think the pure genius of coincidence of Roman Numeral 200 being "CC" is almost enough by itself to pick up this template for raising the cap :P. This is something that I'd like to be working on for you guys, since it's something I can help out with without all of the programming, etc! I feel like raising the medal caps is a quick small thing that I can do that affects a lot of players greatly. After all -- who doesn't like having that awesome personal goal? Now maybe to hammer out a plan :)

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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:49 am

agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.


It would be. Unfortunately for mapmakers, it would still be harder for them to gain medals. But that's no change from the current system. It would still be the most prestigious of the achievement medals.

... and lol @ betiko ;)


Give the mapmakers some more foundry related updates and I think (know) they won't care about the medals ;).

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Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.

it is not possible to fit the roman numerals in the graphic to show 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39.

so how about the graphic is unchanged until 35, then again to 40, 45, 50


IF 38 (vv) won't fit....
XXXVIII

then 45 (vv) will be a very tight squeeze....
XXXXV

It's only 38 that is larger than 45, all the others you metion will fit if 45 fits. Maybe it's durable to make 38 look a little messy?
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby greenoaks on Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:31 am

Gillipig wrote:
agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.


It would be. Unfortunately for mapmakers, it would still be harder for them to gain medals. But that's no change from the current system. It would still be the most prestigious of the achievement medals.

... and lol @ betiko ;)


Give the mapmakers some more foundry related updates and I think (know) they won't care about the medals ;).

greenoaks wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.

it is not possible to fit the roman numerals in the graphic to show 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39.

so how about the graphic is unchanged until 35, then again to 40, 45, 50


IF 38 (vv) won't fit....
XXXVIII

then 45 (vv) will be a very tight squeeze....
XXXXV

It's only 38 that is larger than 45, all the others you metion will fit if 45 fits. Maybe it's durable to make 38 look a little messy?

how will 45 not fit. it is xlv
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:24 pm

why are you so fascinated with roman numeral, just use arabic, and you can have 999 maximum medal. Plain and simple
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby betiko on Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:57 pm

qwert wrote:why are you so fascinated with roman numeral, just use arabic, and you can have 999 maximum medal. Plain and simple


lol! not such a bad though! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby stahrgazer on Sat Dec 29, 2012 2:24 pm

trinicardinal wrote:
The Voice wrote:I never knew there was such a limit. 30 seems rather arbitrary.


actually its linked to limitations on the graphic size... something to work on I think


Like, make the font for the X's smaller once you reach something? Seems not too difficult.

OR

Use Romans up to 30, then use like Arabics.. 31, 43, 57, 999 ... for anything above because you can get to 999 before you run out of stuff at which point you can use what is it, M in Roman again?
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:57 pm

greenoaks wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.


It would be. Unfortunately for mapmakers, it would still be harder for them to gain medals. But that's no change from the current system. It would still be the most prestigious of the achievement medals.

... and lol @ betiko ;)


Give the mapmakers some more foundry related updates and I think (know) they won't care about the medals ;).

greenoaks wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.

it is not possible to fit the roman numerals in the graphic to show 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39.

so how about the graphic is unchanged until 35, then again to 40, 45, 50


IF 38 (vv) won't fit....
XXXVIII

then 45 (vv) will be a very tight squeeze....
XXXXV

It's only 38 that is larger than 45, all the others you metion will fit if 45 fits. Maybe it's durable to make 38 look a little messy?

how will 45 not fit. it is xlv

Hm, that's true. Never mind what I said then.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby MoB Deadly on Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:49 pm

greenoaks wrote:
Gillipig wrote:I'm for this suggestion. I also think this should be done for all other medals where 30 currently is the cap.

it is not possible to fit the roman numerals in the graphic to show 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 38, 39.

so how about the graphic is unchanged until 35, then again to 40, 45, 50

This.

or-

qwert wrote:why are you so fascinated with roman numeral, just use arabic, and you can have 999 maximum medal. Plain and simple

This. 10 points to qwet for pointing out the obvious :lol:
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:11 am

stahrgazer wrote:
trinicardinal wrote:
The Voice wrote:I never knew there was such a limit. 30 seems rather arbitrary.


actually its linked to limitations on the graphic size... something to work on I think


Like, make the font for the X's smaller once you reach something? Seems not too difficult.

OR

Use Romans up to 30, then use like Arabics.. 31, 43, 57, 999 ... for anything above because you can get to 999 before you run out of stuff at which point you can use what is it, M in Roman again?


wait a moment! are you want to tell that real explanation why can not put more number in medals are "limitation on graphic size"

Usual im calm but i will say.
WHAT MORONS WORK IN IDEA SECTION OF CC! only what need to do its to change Romans with Arabic numerals and problem are solve. How many years need to pass so that someone in CC site office get :idea: in hes head and to say " how about Arabic numerals? "

Unbelievable, and some people get money in CC to think??? Well i don't know who are real owner, but if people in these company can not get this simple idea,then these its waste of money.

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revolution mine ass! unbelievable. for some simple ideas need 3-4-5-6-7 years to be implemented! TOTAL DISAPOINTMENT, i realy can not see what are change in CC, maybe lackattack change hes name in el_Jefe?
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:38 am

qwert wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
trinicardinal wrote:
The Voice wrote:I never knew there was such a limit. 30 seems rather arbitrary.


actually its linked to limitations on the graphic size... something to work on I think


Like, make the font for the X's smaller once you reach something? Seems not too difficult.

OR

Use Romans up to 30, then use like Arabics.. 31, 43, 57, 999 ... for anything above because you can get to 999 before you run out of stuff at which point you can use what is it, M in Roman again?


wait a moment! are you want to tell that real explanation why can not put more number in medals are "limitation on graphic size"

Usual im calm but i will say.
WHAT MORONS WORK IN IDEA SECTION OF CC! only what need to do its to change Romans with Arabic numerals and problem are solve. How many years need to pass so that someone in CC site office get :idea: in hes head and to say " how about Arabic numerals? "

Unbelievable, and some people get money in CC to think??? Well i don't know who are real owner, but if people in these company can not get this simple idea,then these its waste of money.

The Revolution Begins
by El_Jefe » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:15 pm


revolution mine ass! unbelievable. for some simple ideas need 3-4-5-6-7 years to be implemented! TOTAL DISAPOINTMENT, i realy can not see what are change in CC, maybe lackattack change hes name in el_Jefe?

Arabic numerals would solve the problem no doubt! This might be silly but I just think roman numerals look better :P.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:40 am

qwert wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
trinicardinal wrote:
The Voice wrote:I never knew there was such a limit. 30 seems rather arbitrary.


actually its linked to limitations on the graphic size... something to work on I think


Like, make the font for the X's smaller once you reach something? Seems not too difficult.

OR

Use Romans up to 30, then use like Arabics.. 31, 43, 57, 999 ... for anything above because you can get to 999 before you run out of stuff at which point you can use what is it, M in Roman again?


wait a moment! are you want to tell that real explanation why can not put more number in medals are "limitation on graphic size"

Usual im calm but i will say.
WHAT MORONS WORK IN IDEA SECTION OF CC! only what need to do its to change Romans with Arabic numerals and problem are solve. How many years need to pass so that someone in CC site office get :idea: in hes head and to say " how about Arabic numerals? "

Unbelievable, and some people get money in CC to think??? Well i don't know who are real owner, but if people in these company can not get this simple idea,then these its waste of money.

The Revolution Begins
by El_Jefe » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:15 pm


revolution mine ass! unbelievable. for some simple ideas need 3-4-5-6-7 years to be implemented! TOTAL DISAPOINTMENT, i realy can not see what are change in CC, maybe lackattack change hes name in el_Jefe?


Are you legitimately angry, or is this a normal qwert post?
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:46 am

MoB Deadly wrote:
qwert wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
trinicardinal wrote:
The Voice wrote:I never knew there was such a limit. 30 seems rather arbitrary.


actually its linked to limitations on the graphic size... something to work on I think


Like, make the font for the X's smaller once you reach something? Seems not too difficult.

OR

Use Romans up to 30, then use like Arabics.. 31, 43, 57, 999 ... for anything above because you can get to 999 before you run out of stuff at which point you can use what is it, M in Roman again?


wait a moment! are you want to tell that real explanation why can not put more number in medals are "limitation on graphic size"

Usual im calm but i will say.
WHAT MORONS WORK IN IDEA SECTION OF CC! only what need to do its to change Romans with Arabic numerals and problem are solve. How many years need to pass so that someone in CC site office get :idea: in hes head and to say " how about Arabic numerals? "

Unbelievable, and some people get money in CC to think??? Well i don't know who are real owner, but if people in these company can not get this simple idea,then these its waste of money.

The Revolution Begins
by El_Jefe » Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:15 pm


revolution mine ass! unbelievable. for some simple ideas need 3-4-5-6-7 years to be implemented! TOTAL DISAPOINTMENT, i realy can not see what are change in CC, maybe lackattack change hes name in el_Jefe?


Are you legitimately angry, or is this a normal qwert post?

qwert is right though! If we really want to solve this problem, just insert arabic numerals instead of roman. I think we're all a bit too caught up in how it looks instead of functionality.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby agentcom on Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:45 pm

SUBMITTED and Title of OP EDITED. This will not just be for clan medals if implemented.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby agentcom on Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:52 pm

Gillipig wrote:qwert is right though! If we really want to solve this problem, just insert arabic numerals instead of roman. I think we're all a bit too caught up in how it looks instead of functionality.


Looks are important, but the other issue (and the bigger issue to my mind) is that we don't want to award 200 medals to someone for winning 200 tournaments. Right now the person with the most medals has 146. We put some restrictions on medals that makes them a little bit difficult to achieve. The escalating bronze, silver, gold is the way it's done for regular medals. The cap is the way it's been done for the achievement medals.

There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:42 pm

agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:qwert is right though! If we really want to solve this problem, just insert arabic numerals instead of roman. I think we're all a bit too caught up in how it looks instead of functionality.


Looks are important, but the other issue (and the bigger issue to my mind) is that we don't want to award 200 medals to someone for winning 200 tournaments. Right now the person with the most medals has 146. We put some restrictions on medals that makes them a little bit difficult to achieve. The escalating bronze, silver, gold is the way it's done for regular medals. The cap is the way it's been done for the achievement medals.

There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

Few question are arise
1.Are these usefull
2.Are these possible to implement?
3.What lvl of difficulty in implementation of these suggestion ?
4.How long these need to be implemented?

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Im here 6 years and i can not count how many times i heard from people who understand coding say " its easy to implement", and after that suggestion drop in oblivion, siting for infinitive time .
Now i hope that el jefe will not work like lackattack,and start avoiding suggestion forum.
Its important that we know--all these above, otherwise all these posting in suggestion forum, its pure waste of time.
When we come on these stage when these 4 question can answer El jefe, and start implement suggestion in appropriate time, then we can say that "Revolution Begun" have some practical meaning,and not to be some political phrase to sound great and nothing else.
And these its not only for these suggestion,these its for all sugestion who sit infinitive time here.
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby chapcrap on Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:10 pm

qwert wrote:Im here 6 years and i can not count how many times i heard from people who understand coding say " its easy to implement", and after that suggestion drop in oblivion, siting for infinitive time.

Ok, a couple of things...
  • If it's been 6 years, then suggestions haven't been sitting here for infinite time.
  • If there are only 50 topics in the submitted forum, you should be able to count.

In seriousness, I understand negativity surrounding this forum, but in this transition period, the new administration has had a lot of clerical work and has been taking time to understand the site before jumping into something that isn't fully understood. As you can see with the latest implemented suggestion, things are getting closer to being full force. Give it a little more time and see what happens. It's only been two months. If things aren't as promised in a few months, we can all grab a pitchfork and head to Indonesia together.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby greenoaks on Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:31 pm

agentcom wrote:There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

very few people would be affected if the cap was raised and i am one of them.

with 32 tournament wins and over 200 tournaments hosted it would be great to be recognised for that. the thing is, i already am. the hall of fame for hosting & winning in the tournament tab give people like myself recognition without devaluing the efforts of other's achievements in the Clan world, the Foundry or success in competitions run by the Entertainment team.

merch313 is already known as our most prolific host, HighlanderAttack for his incredible tally of tourney wins. increasing the cap won't change that.

give Clans a tab at the top of the site to list all clans and number of wins, all players and number of medals awarded. put a search page in there too to find war threads. mimic the Tounament tab. do it for the Foundry as well showing mapmakers and their maps.

allow us to recognise our contributions and achievements within our sub communities and there'll be no need to raise the cap on medals.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Qwert on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:16 pm

greenoaks wrote:
agentcom wrote:There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

very few people would be affected if the cap was raised and i am one of them.

with 32 tournament wins and over 200 tournaments hosted it would be great to be recognised for that. the thing is, i already am. the hall of fame for hosting & winning in the tournament tab give people like myself recognition without devaluing the efforts of other's achievements in the Clan world, the Foundry or success in competitions run by the Entertainment team.

merch313 is already known as our most prolific host, HighlanderAttack for his incredible tally of tourney wins. increasing the cap won't change that.

give Clans a tab at the top of the site to list all clans and number of wins, all players and number of medals awarded. put a search page in there too to find war threads. mimic the Tounament tab. do it for the Foundry as well showing mapmakers and their maps.

allow us to recognise our contributions and achievements within our sub communities and there'll be no need to raise the cap on medals.

cam on greenoaks,, now you suggest 3-4 different implementation instead these one , and these mean more work.
chapcrap wrote:
qwert wrote:Im here 6 years and i can not count how many times i heard from people who understand coding say " its easy to implement", and after that suggestion drop in oblivion, siting for infinitive time.

Ok, a couple of things...
  • If it's been 6 years, then suggestions haven't been sitting here for infinite time.
  • If there are only 50 topics in the submitted forum, you should be able to count.

In seriousness, I understand negativity surrounding this forum, but in this transition period, the new administration has had a lot of clerical work and has been taking time to understand the site before jumping into something that isn't fully understood. As you can see with the latest implemented suggestion, things are getting closer to being full force. Give it a little more time and see what happens. It's only been two months. If things aren't as promised in a few months, we can all grab a pitchfork and head to Indonesia together.

I understand, but for start will be good that someone come to suggestions,and start reply "these will be implemented" " these not be implemented" .
How much time will El jefe, spend to answer, for start, then we can know what to expect.
And what period need for transition, so that new administration start work? 6 month-1 year-5 year?
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby greenoaks on Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:36 pm

qwert wrote:
greenoaks wrote:
agentcom wrote:There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

very few people would be affected if the cap was raised and i am one of them.

with 32 tournament wins and over 200 tournaments hosted it would be great to be recognised for that. the thing is, i already am. the hall of fame for hosting & winning in the tournament tab give people like myself recognition without devaluing the efforts of other's achievements in the Clan world, the Foundry or success in competitions run by the Entertainment team.

merch313 is already known as our most prolific host, HighlanderAttack for his incredible tally of tourney wins. increasing the cap won't change that.

give Clans a tab at the top of the site to list all clans and number of wins, all players and number of medals awarded. put a search page in there too to find war threads. mimic the Tounament tab. do it for the Foundry as well showing mapmakers and their maps.

allow us to recognise our contributions and achievements within our sub communities and there'll be no need to raise the cap on medals.

cam on greenoaks,, now you suggest 3-4 different implementation instead these one , and these mean more work.

but it doesn't unbalance the medal tally list because tournaments (won & hosted) has a lot of players maxed out
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby Gillipig on Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:54 am

agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:qwert is right though! If we really want to solve this problem, just insert arabic numerals instead of roman. I think we're all a bit too caught up in how it looks instead of functionality.


Looks are important, but the other issue (and the bigger issue to my mind) is that we don't want to award 200 medals to someone for winning 200 tournaments. Right now the person with the most medals has 146. We put some restrictions on medals that makes them a little bit difficult to achieve. The escalating bronze, silver, gold is the way it's done for regular medals. The cap is the way it's been done for the achievement medals.

There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

I don't think it's balanced the way it is now. If it were, a map contribution medal would be worth at least ten times a tournament medal!
No one looks at a rating medal and consider it as valuable as an assassin medal. I'm all for a fairer medals awarding system, but that doesn't need to clash with this suggestion. Give 1 medal per 10 hosted tournaments, 1 medal per 15 won tournaments etc
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Re: Raise Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby benga on Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:21 am

We need clan tab for this not expanding number of medals that can be seen.
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Re: Raise Clan Achievement Medal Cap from 30 to whatever

Postby chapcrap on Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:27 am

Gillipig wrote:
agentcom wrote:
Gillipig wrote:qwert is right though! If we really want to solve this problem, just insert arabic numerals instead of roman. I think we're all a bit too caught up in how it looks instead of functionality.


Looks are important, but the other issue (and the bigger issue to my mind) is that we don't want to award 200 medals to someone for winning 200 tournaments. Right now the person with the most medals has 146. We put some restrictions on medals that makes them a little bit difficult to achieve. The escalating bronze, silver, gold is the way it's done for regular medals. The cap is the way it's been done for the achievement medals.

There has to be a balance between recognizing people for their achievements and limiting that recognition to true achievements.

I don't think it's balanced the way it is now. If it were, a map contribution medal would be worth at least ten times a tournament medal!
No one looks at a rating medal and consider it as valuable as an assassin medal. I'm all for a fairer medals awarding system, but that doesn't need to clash with this suggestion. Give 1 medal per 10 hosted tournaments, 1 medal per 15 won tournaments etc

I couldn't disagree more with that proposal. Maps take longer to make, but that doesn't mean winning a tournament is easier than making a map. Anyone can make a map eventually. It would take me forever and be painful, but I could make a map. Anyone can, because it's not a competition to see who's map is better. Not anyone can win a tournament.

There have been 2074 tournament winners for 9761 medals total. That's an average of about 4.7 tournaments per winner. There have been 315 (I think) map medals given and 102 winners. That's an average of about 3.1 maps per winner. By those numbers, map medals are less prevalent, but also less specialized. Less than 20% of people who have played in a tournament have won a tournament.
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