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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Tue May 08, 2018 5:55 am

HitRed wrote:"Only water crossing between Kingdom of England and Kingdom of France"

Does Castille and Marinid connect? The Muslims invaded Spain from Africa. Your call...just asking.

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Decided against a water crossing between Africa and Europe. This does help gameplay, but also most of the successful and lasting conquests at the time were over land. The Kingdom of Granada was effectively a vessel of the Kingdom of Castile at the time, and the Marinid's never effected a successful invasion....
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Tue May 08, 2018 5:57 am

updated, incporporsting the Oriental Orthodox kingdoms at 1250ad....

iancanton wrote:the zagwe kingdom, which was orthodox christian, was in the area labelled as begena. the begena name itself appears to be a mistake, as it's a musical instrument and not the name of a state.

http://ethiopianorthodox.org/english/et ... ml#revival
http://www.temesgen.com/begena

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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Tue May 08, 2018 6:12 am

Updates following comments, thanks...

Armies:
Roman Catholics - 8
Islamic Caliphates - 8
Mogol Tribes - 8
Eastern Orthodox - 1
Oriental Orthodox - 1
Hindu Indians - 1
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Only water crossing between Kingdom of England and Kingdom of France
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(Historical accuracy, those lands controlled by another Kingdom or territory are included in the territory controlling).

Territories:
Roman Catholics - 14 (4 to defend)
Islamic Caliphates - 10 (3 to defend, 2 to defend with Ilkhanate)
Mogol Tribes - 8 (5 to defend)
Eastern Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Oriental Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Hindu Indians - 6 (3 to defend, 1 to defend with Delhi Sultanate)
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Total territories - 45


Imge quality, I have produced in powerpoint, the quality is good on this application, but reduced when converted to a smaller JPEG, any ideas how to convert with better quality?

[url][url=https://imgur.com/E8vGgpZ]Image[/url]/url]
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby Bruceswar on Tue May 08, 2018 12:56 pm

How are you going to make this map smaller and still work? right now it is still huge.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Wed May 09, 2018 1:50 am

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Armies:
Roman Catholics - 8
Islamic Caliphates - 8
Mogol Tribes - 8
Eastern Orthodox - 1
Oriental Orthodox - 1
Hindu Indians - 1
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Only water crossing between Kingdom of England and Kingdom of France
(Historical accuracy, those lands controlled by another Kingdom or territory are included in the territory controlling).

Territories:
Roman Catholics - 14 (4 to defend)
Islamic Caliphates - 10 (3 to defend, 2 to defend with Ilkhanate)
Mogol Tribes - 8 (5 to defend)
Eastern Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Oriental Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Hindu Indians - 6 (3 to defend, 1 to defend with Delhi Sultanate)
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Total territories - 45


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[url][url=https://imgur.com/E8vGgpZ]Image[/url]/url]
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Wed May 09, 2018 1:52 am

Bruceswar wrote:How are you going to make this map smaller and still work? right now it is still huge.



at present I have produced in powerpoint and convert to jpg. when I convert to a smaller jpeg the quality reduces. anyone know a better way of doing this conversion to a smaller size whilst keeping the quality of image
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby HitRed on Wed May 09, 2018 7:47 am

CHAMPOS wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:How are you going to make this map smaller and still work? right now it is still huge.



at present I have produced in powerpoint and convert to jpg. when I convert to a smaller jpeg the quality reduces. anyone know a better way of doing this conversion to a smaller size whilst keeping the quality of image


You may want a VECTOR file. They don't lose quality when you scale them.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 pm

Noted on making image smaller, I will set up a VECTOR file after the various comments have come in from the drafting room
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Wed May 09, 2018 2:08 pm

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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby HitRed on Wed May 09, 2018 2:36 pm

Thanks for the updated map. Did you deiced on Spain to Africa connection?

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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Wed May 09, 2018 4:55 pm

HitRed wrote:Thanks for the updated map. Did you deiced on Spain to Africa connection?

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See earlier comment,

Decided against a water crossing between Africa and Europe. Not having it helps gameplay (makes catholics and Islam easier to defend) but also most of the successful and lasting conquests at the time were over land. The Kingdom of Granada was effectively a vessel of the Kingdom of Castile at the time, and the Marinid's never effected a successful invasion....
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:27 am

Decided to update following comments, now three water crossings over the obvious areas, comments welcome...

[url][url=https://imgur.com/hLiXiSH]Image[/url]/url]


Map Name: HOLYWARS 1250
Mapmaker(s):CHAMPOS
Number of Territories:45
Special Features:An historically accurate map, simple map with no gaps, simple gameplay....
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:
There were a number of religions coming together at the same time, 1250AD:
- the Roman Catholics had taken control over mainland Europe from the last Islamic Caliphate holding in Spain,
- the Islamic Caliphates were being attacked from the east by the Mongol Tribes and from the west by the Roman Catholic crusades
- the northern Eastern Orthodox territories had been taken under Mongol Tribe control,
- the Mongol Tribes had been halted by their leadership changes and power struggles,
- the Indian Hindus were under attack from the Islamic Caliphates and Mongol Tribes,
- the Oriental Orthodox were under attack from the Islamic Caliphates,
- Crusades continued to Jerusalem
Who will prevail...?


Armies:
Roman Catholics - 8
Islamic Caliphates - 8
Mogol Tribes - 8
Eastern Orthodox - 1
Oriental Orthodox - 1
Hindu Indians - 1
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
(Historical accuracy, those lands controlled by another Kingdom or territory are included in the territory controlling).

Territories:
Roman Catholics - 14 (5 to defend)
Islamic Caliphates - 10 (4 to defend, 3 to defend with Ilkhanate)
Mogol Tribes - 8 (5 to defend)
Eastern Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Oriental Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Hindu Indians - 6 (3 to defend, 1 to defend with Delhi Sultanate)
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Total territories - 45
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby HitRed on Fri Jun 15, 2018 9:36 am

I like the changes. Shazam!
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jun 16, 2018 7:00 pm

The Catholics, Mongols and Hindus clearly stand out.

The other religions all blend in together. I have a really hard time distinguishing between the Orthodox and Islamic states.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Fri Jun 29, 2018 8:20 am

amendments made....


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Map Name: HOLYWARS 1250
Mapmaker(s):CHAMPOS
Number of Territories:45
Special Features:An historically accurate map, simple map with no gaps, simple gameplay....
What Makes This Map Worthy of Being Made:
There were a number of religions coming together at the same time, 1250AD:
- the Roman Catholics had taken control over mainland Europe from the last Islamic Caliphate holding in Spain,
- the Islamic Caliphates were being attacked from the east by the Mongol Tribes and from the west by the Roman Catholic crusades
- the northern Eastern Orthodox territories had been taken under Mongol Tribe control,
- the Mongol Tribes had been halted by their leadership changes and power struggles,
- the Indian Hindus were under attack from the Islamic Caliphates and Mongol Tribes,
- the Oriental Orthodox were under attack from the Islamic Caliphates,
- Crusades continued to Jerusalem
Who will prevail...?


Armies:
Roman Catholics - 8
Islamic Caliphates - 8
Mogol Tribes - 8
Eastern Orthodox - 1
Oriental Orthodox - 1
Hindu Indians - 1
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
(Historical accuracy, those lands controlled by another Kingdom or territory are included in the territory controlling).

Territories:
Roman Catholics - 14 (5 to defend)
Islamic Caliphates - 10 (4 to defend, 3 to defend with Ilkhanate)
Mogol Tribes - 8 (5 to defend)
Eastern Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Oriental Orthodox - 3 (3 to defend)
Hindu Indians - 6 (3 to defend, 1 to defend with Delhi Sultanate)
Jerusalem - 1 (starts neutral 3 troops)
Total territories - 45
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby Dukasaur on Sat Jun 30, 2018 7:12 am

Much better, thank you...:)
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:58 am

any more comments....

when can draft maps go to the next stage....
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby dakky21 on Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:26 pm

CHAMPOS wrote:any more comments....

when can draft maps go to the next stage....


When they meet at least some quality requirements. Map like this looks fun to play, but is not meeting any other requirement like graphics which should be easiest to acquire first.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby CHAMPOS on Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:28 am

Any feedback. What would you change....
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby TX AG 90 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:00 pm

I'm going to advocate changing Hindu Indians back to 2.

Sure, you can defend it with 1 territory, but you have to take 7 territories just to get to that point. Or, you may be stuck in a position defending 6 with 3 borders. ONE is just not enough of a bonus.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby TX AG 90 on Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:02 pm

TX AG 90 wrote:I'm going to advocate changing Hindu Indians back to 2.

Sure, you can defend it with 1 territory, but you have to take 7 territories just to get to that point. Or, you may be stuck in a position defending 6 with 3 borders. ONE is just not enough of a bonus.


Another option would be to eliminate 3 of the Hindu Indian regions and keep it at 1.

This would give your map 42 regions which is inline with a standard region count used in many auto tournaments.
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby DoomYoshi on Sun Jul 15, 2018 3:42 pm

This map makes Ethiopia look like a push-over. It was several hundred years until Ethiopia was conquered (and even then they fought the Muslims out, although it ended up destroying all their infrastructure which is why Ethiopia and Eritrea are poor to this day).
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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby HitRed on Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:03 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:This map makes Ethiopia look like a push-over. It was several hundred years until Ethiopia was conquered (and even then they fought the Muslims out, although it ended up destroying all their infrastructure which is why Ethiopia and Eritrea are poor to this day).


India would be defended by 18 troops (6 terr X 3 troops on each). You might own some. Ethiopia has 3 terr X 3 troops on each which is 9. Both are worth +1 but India is twice has hard to take. So India +2 AND Iran touches Gujarat so India isn't a one territory defense.

My gut feeling on Jerusalem would be starting 4 or 5 Neutal troops.

Respectfully,

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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby gorehound on Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:57 am

Speaking as an Irishman and for the sake of historical accuracy, by 1250, the Norman invasion had still not conquered Ireland fully , with basically most of the west and north still under Family Kingships. To label the entire area as the Kingdom of England is incorrect.
Perhaps Kingdom of England and a separate Ireland would be better? Just sayin' ;)

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Re: HOLYWARS 1250

Postby Shiz on Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:31 pm

I love it. For those who are comparing this to the Third Crusade map, this map seems a lot more approachable/simpler.
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