Conquer Club

Shouldn't there be an announcement by the admins not to make games on closed maps such as St Patty's and Das Schloss(B) instead of PMs warning users that they face a ban for creating games? Did I miss an announcement that you aren't supposed to make games on those maps? It's a bug, sure, but I have not seen any official public notices not to make or join these games.

Jake

jack

i coulnt agree with you more.

a little absurd if you ask me.

Have you been on ANY site where using knows bugs in the system to your own advantage was perfectly alright? It seems like common sense to me that if somethings not supposed to be there, then you are not supposed to be using it.

I think that an announcement would deter only a few people from making games, but a lot more people would start making them (those that didn't know about the bug before)

Generally, it is understood that exploiting a system bug may have consequences for those that engage in the activity, on any website. Those that repeatedly exploit system bugs like this set themselves up for nothing good! Best thing to do---avoid exploiting the system.


--Andy

Horrible customer service on CC's part right here. I find CC's total ignorance, in how I'm accused of "repeated bug exploitation", when I merely made a handful of games on the "Random" map setting, to be absolutely hilarious. Didn't you guys realise that the random map was bugging, thanks to some error by Lackattack (not me!), and that games created on it were making St Patrick games? Not to mention the fact I stopped making these games once the bug was identified. Poor work right there, lads. Do a little research, in future, before dishing out formal disciplinary warnings left right and centre.

Thank you for reading.

PS: How can we get punished for un-knowingly "exploiting the system"? Wholly fascinating, if you ask me. f*ck knows how long-of-a-ban I'll be on if I keep accidentally "abusing" Lackattack's mistakes.

obliterationX wrote:Horrible customer service on CC's part right here. I find CC's total ignorance, in how I'm accused of "repeated bug exploitation", when I merely made a handful of games on the "Random" map setting, to be absolutely hilarious. Didn't you guys realise that the random map was bugging, thanks to some error by Lackattack (not me!), and that games created on it were making St Patrick games? Not to mention the fact I stopped making these games once the bug was identified. Poor work right there, lads. Do a little research, in future, before dishing out formal disciplinary warnings left right and centre.

Thank you for reading.

PS: How can we get punished for un-knowingly "exploiting the system"? Wholly fascinating, if you ask me.

Joining games didn't help your cause.


--Andy

AndyDufresne wrote:

obliterationX wrote:Horrible customer service on CC's part right here. I find CC's total ignorance, in how I'm accused of "repeated bug exploitation", when I merely made a handful of games on the "Random" map setting, to be absolutely hilarious. Didn't you guys realise that the random map was bugging, thanks to some error by Lackattack (not me!), and that games created on it were making St Patrick games? Not to mention the fact I stopped making these games once the bug was identified. Poor work right there, lads. Do a little research, in future, before dishing out formal disciplinary warnings left right and centre.

Thank you for reading.

PS: How can we get punished for un-knowingly "exploiting the system"? Wholly fascinating, if you ask me.

Joining games didn't help your cause.


--Andy

You mean joining a game?

Not repeated abuse, unfortunately, my friend.

EDIT: My extended apologies for my love of freestyle settings, love that is so strong that I join any game with such settings, often regardless of map choice.

Best to refrain from exploiting the system until the bug is fixed. Many thanks.

As for Oblit, if you'd like to raise your personal concerns with Optimus Prime, feel free to do so.


--Andy

Well shit, I'm agreeing with obliterationX.

jakewilliams wrote:Shouldn't there be an announcement by the admins not to make games on closed maps such as St Patty's and Das Schloss(B) instead of PMs warning users that they face a ban for creating games? Did I miss an announcement that you aren't supposed to make games on those maps? It's a bug, sure, but I have not seen any official public notices not to make or join these games.

Jake

First I learned about NOT joining St Pats games was today from a complaint by Aal in C & A.

And it looks like CC is going to be handing out disciplinary actions for creating and joining games.

WTF. Did you announce it somewhere? Where?

What other maps are we not allowed to make or join that we are able to create and join?

AND my understanding of the bug was from creation of random maps.

AndyDufresne wrote:Generally, it is understood that exploiting a system bug may have consequences for those that engage in the activity, on any website. Those that repeatedly exploit system bugs like this set themselves up for nothing good! Best thing to do---avoid exploiting the system.


--Andy

ManBungalow had played in 9 St. Pats I believe. Is his an exploitation like ObX or just accidental joining due to no proper warning to avoid the map?

I actually have to admit that when I saw it come up as st patties day, on new years eve, I actually had assumed it was a new years even special.

When I joined das schloss the first time, I actually had never seen the map before and assumed it was new.

I guess If I had to be honest, Id say the couple of games after that were probably not a great idea, but my god they were so damn fun. I can see why das schloss was slated for the revamp pile, but I actually think Id go to another site to play it if they had it.

What an interesting idea.

In any case, I doubt the abuse line was as clear cut as it may seem here. Im sure some did abuse it, but it was easy enough to play those games without really meaning any abuse, especially since it did happen over the holidays. Hell, I thought it was a great idea opening up st patties day for new years...lol

I think it should become a new tradition.

AndyDufresne wrote:Best to refrain from exploiting the system until the bug is fixed. Many thanks.

As for Oblit, if you'd like to raise your personal concerns with Optimus Prime, feel free to do so.


--Andy

There was another Saint Patty's Day bug that went around, not involving random map, so it was probably just a miscommunication.

I rather enjoyed playing BOTH of them as well.

the.killing.44 wrote:Well shit, I'm agreeing with obliterationX.

Because some things are so incredibly simple that even ob'X can understand them....I guess mods are dumber that ob'X.

What I cannot understand is why these maps that are so liked are just not kept in active maps.

140+ maps that there is no reason we can't have 2 more

AndyDufresne wrote:Generally, it is understood that exploiting a system bug may have consequences for those that engage in the activity, on any website. Those that repeatedly exploit system bugs like this set themselves up for nothing good! Best thing to do---avoid exploiting the system.


--Andy

Was the freestyle double turn not a bug?

Is the manual "skip deployment round and receive extra deferred troops" not a bug?

It seems to me like these both are, so anyone doing these should be warned as well. After all, they are "exploiting a system bug" according to the definition I found when searching Google:

wikipedia wrote:A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways. Most bugs arise from mistakes and errors made by people in either a program's source code or its design

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug

Jake

jefjef wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Generally, it is understood that exploiting a system bug may have consequences for those that engage in the activity, on any website. Those that repeatedly exploit system bugs like this set themselves up for nothing good! Best thing to do---avoid exploiting the system.


--Andy

ManBungalow had played in 9 St. Pats I believe. Is his an exploitation like ObX or just accidental joining due to no proper warning to avoid the map?

He's a mod, so it's ok.

Jake

today i found a 2 player speed freestyle Das Schloss in my awaiting players, and it had ME as the creator! I certainly didn't create it, obviously.

HighlanderAttack wrote:What I cannot understand is why these maps that are so liked are just not kept in active maps.

140+ maps that there is no reason we can't have 2 more

Das is supposed to be getting a major update, but all games had to finish before it could be uploaded because of how drastic the changes were. People exploiting this bug to play on this map are actually stalling the re-release of this map.

St Patty's map was a specially designed map for a unique holiday. It was a privately developed map, so as such, it was for limited release only. The map did not go through the full foundry process to earn full-time playability.

jakewilliams wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:Generally, it is understood that exploiting a system bug may have consequences for those that engage in the activity, on any website. Those that repeatedly exploit system bugs like this set themselves up for nothing good! Best thing to do---avoid exploiting the system.


--Andy

Was the freestyle double turn not a bug?

Is the manual "skip deployment round and receive extra deferred troops" not a bug?

It seems to me like these both are, so anyone doing these should be warned as well. After all, they are "exploiting a system bug" according to the definition I found when searching Google:

wikipedia wrote:A software bug is the common term used to describe an error, flaw, mistake, failure, or fault in a computer program or system that produces an incorrect or unexpected result, or causes it to behave in unintended ways. Most bugs arise from mistakes and errors made by people in either a program's source code or its design

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_bug

Jake

As I recall, the complaints about the freestyle doubleturn were told, "The system is allowing it, so it's legal." But seriously, how often is CC admin consistent?

Those who are playing Das are, perhaps, being annoying by stalling the improvement release. Those who are playing St. Pat's are apparently annoying admin because they're "not supposed to," outside of St. Pat's and the reason given: because CC was inconsistent when it allowed that map for play outside of the site's formal release system.

sigh this post is as a poster and player on this site for over 2 years...over 7500 posts.
If the people who run the website ask you not to do something then just do what they say. They all have their reasons for it. Why does everything little thing have to be an issue. Get over it. Move along. Heck St pats day would prolly have been used again as a holiday map. You think it will now?? I just dont understand why its such an issue. I assumed the average person on this website was a middle aged adult who is mature enough to understand all this

lord voldemort wrote:If the people who run the website ask you not to do something then just do it.

firth4eva wrote:

lord voldemort wrote:If the people who run the website ask you not to do something then just do it.

fixed

lord voldemort wrote:sigh this post is as a poster and player on this site for over 2 years...over 7500 posts.
If the people who run the website ask you not to do something then just do what they say. They all have their reasons for it. ...I assumed the average person on this website was a middle aged adult who is mature enough to understand all this

Oh, c'mon, LV, you've also been made a Moderator, one of many positions that wouldn't be required if the site could expect people to just do what they say. It's even more difficult to expect people to do what is stated when what is stated is so often inconsistent with what was stated earlier under circumstances that do not appear to be that different, on surface.

Yeah, I'd like people to stop pushing the button so that a game code can be fixed, and I understand that those who won't stop pushing the little button can be aggravating, but I'd bet *most* would stop pushing the button if they'd known the "why" in advance.

If St. Pat's is so unpredictable because it didn't go thru the full release, why would it be used again at all? If it's not unpredictable despite it's lack of formality, why is there an issue with playing that holiday map all year long if there isn't an issue playing a Halloween holiday map all year long?

I'm not joining Schloss or St. Pat's day games for just the issue you indicated: The site said don't. I still think the site admin and mods would find greater cooperation with less hassle if they tried to be consistent, logical, and fair when issuing edicts.