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Lately, it seems I have faced a spate of irritating opponents. Probably my demotion to freemium is what makes me notice this.

So, which is more irritating?

PLAYER57832 wrote:Lately, it seems I have faced a spate of irritating opponents. Probably my demotion to freemium is what makes me notice this.

That, which is more irritating?
Newbies who come, play a turn and then leave to "never never land"

I play all kinds of 2-player games, but they're not speed games...so it doesn't matter if someone starts a new 2-player game and then logs off without deleting them, in that case.

Freemiums annoy me when they complain..

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Woodruff wrote:

PLAYER57832 wrote:Lately, it seems I have faced a spate of irritating opponents. Probably my demotion to freemium is what makes me notice this.

That, which is more irritating?
Newbies who come, play a turn and then leave to "never never land"

I play all kinds of 2-player games, but they're not speed games...so it doesn't matter if someone starts a new 2-player game and then logs off without deleting them, in that case.

Oh, not saying they are breaking rules or anything, particularly the logging off bit, I have done that some myself (just forget about a game, etc.). Its more the ones who wait until the very last turn, then leave with no notice, when they HAVE been playing "real time". Or, like I said, join a 2 player game and don't even bother to take their turn, when they have the first turn. But, I don't rate them down or anything, because there could be too many perfectly legitimate reasons. I would only rate down if they actually come out and say "F*** you, I quit" or some such (and even then, I mostly just don't rate them... I try not to give bad ratings any more because its just too hard to go back and edit and I don't like tagging someone as a bad player because they were in a bad mood on one game).

Agent 86 wrote:Freemiums annoy me when they complain..

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Well, I had premium for 2 years. And, I was pretty specific. The above irritated me even when I was premium. Did not hold me up from playing, but still..

Actually the thing that is irratating me is the streakiness of the dice. Sometimes it's impossible for me to lose then other times it's impossible to win. Today it's the " cubes " of losses, tomorrow the " cubes " of can't lose a thing. It's not random, just depends on the day. Sometimes just don't log on if your first 3 games you run into nothing lower than 4's for 20 rolls. You can't tell me this is random.

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Agent 86 wrote:Actually the thing that is irratating me is the streakiness of the dice. Sometimes it's impossible for me to lose then other times it's impossible to win. Today it's the " cubes " of losses, tomorrow the " cubes " of can't lose a thing. It's not random, just depends on the day. Sometimes just don't log on if your first 3 games you run into nothing lower than 4's for 20 rolls. You can't tell me this is random.

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Actually, what you described IS randomness. There is a common misconception that "random" should more or less mean "even" in way too short a time. In truth, you have to look at thousands and thousands of rolls to assess randomness. Also, the dice here are intentionally weighted, that is, the defender wins "ties", the attacker gets 3 dice, not 2. All of those make assessing randomness difficult for any human. But... for a better explanation, pick one of the many threads on this already.

That said, if you know of a better generator AND have the background to truly assess both, offer proof that yours is better, CC is always on the lookout for improvements. (but DO look at the work already done on this, don't just go "off the cuff)

Agent 86 wrote:Actually the thing that is irratating me is the streakiness of the dice. Sometimes it's impossible for me to lose then other times it's impossible to win. Today it's the " cubes " of losses, tomorrow the " cubes " of can't lose a thing. It's not random, just depends on the day. Sometimes just don't log on if your first 3 games you run into nothing lower than 4's for 20 rolls. You can't tell me this is random.
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Sure I can. In fact, it sounds very much like randomness to me.

PLAYER57832 wrote:CC is always on the lookout for improvements.

Well now that's just crazy talk.

(Based on the former To Do List.)

Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.

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It's not random, 2 years of experience proves to myself this is so. Say what you like, team games is the only option going forward to me.

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Just felt like triple posting for the randomness

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Agent 86 wrote:Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.
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Team games absolutely do NOT "reduce the streak in the dice". In fact, that doesn't even make basic sense.

I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice.

The second option for me. My favourite game type at the moment is FS manual (at least until I get my FS gold), and I hate when the other player place first, thus getting to start the round, and then logging off, but I suppose I could play speed to stop this happening

The most irritating is when people who don't know how to play escalating (but play it still) attack your stacks to secure a +2 bonus...

Now that I have to second, noobs grabing that bonus attacking your stack only to be swamped by a better player using cards That is irratating

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Woodruff wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.
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Team games absolutely do NOT "reduce the streak in the dice". In fact, that doesn't even make basic sense.

Woodruff, what team play are you talking about. Playing with yourself I presume. If you want to comment then show me your experience in this. Team play definitely helps take out the streakiness of dice ( cubes ) on this site.

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And another post for randomness

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Agent 86 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.
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Team games absolutely do NOT "reduce the streak in the dice". In fact, that doesn't even make basic sense.

Woodruff, what team play are you talking about. Playing with yourself I presume. If you want to comment then show me your experience in this. Team play definitely helps take out the streakiness of dice ( cubes ) on this site.

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Well, does 3 medals qualify?

The problem is that for this to be true would mean there is one number generator for teams and another for singles play. CC uses the same "dice" for all games.

Instead, what you are seeing is what is mentioned over and over in the many existing dice threads.. perception. You play teams well, so your perception of the dice is different.

I'm saying that in trips or quads that if one player gets the so called bad dice it can be evened up by his team mates who get favourable dice in the same game thus making it more entertaining and resulting in a different outcome. Takes the streakiness away

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natty is the more irritating tho he has rivals

Agent 86 wrote:I'm saying that in trips or quads that if one player gets the so called bad dice it can be evened up by his team mates who get favourable dice in the same game thus making it more entertaining and resulting in a different outcome. Takes the streakiness away

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Doesn't really sound like much of a streak to me...

PLAYER57832 wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:I'm saying that in trips or quads that if one player gets the so called bad dice it can be evened up by his team mates who get favourable dice in the same game thus making it more entertaining and resulting in a different outcome. Takes the streakiness away

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Doesn't really sound like much of a streak to me...

Team games are like playing 1v1, except with more people. If one person gets crap dice, the game doesn't end with one crappy turn. In 1v1, getting one terrible turn usually spells doom. He is right only in the fact that it would take 4 people (in a quads game) all on the same team getting crappy dice to turn the tide.

And the dice may be "random" over thousands of turns, but the dice are much streakier than if you actually rolled dice. Anybody who has played on this site for awhile knows that sometimes when you are playing games you shouldn't attack much because the dice are bad for attacking, other times it seems you can't lose. No numbers that are generated on a computer are going to be perfectly random. However, instead of bitching about dice (which we all feel like doing from time to time), most of the better players realize there is a "streakiness" to the dice and attack when the dice are good and hold off when they aren't.

Agent 86 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.
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Team games absolutely do NOT "reduce the streak in the dice". In fact, that doesn't even make basic sense.

Woodruff, what team play are you talking about. Playing with yourself I presume. If you want to comment then show me your experience in this. Team play definitely helps take out the streakiness of dice ( cubes ) on this site.

I don't need to know anything about team play to know this is a ridiculous statement. It doesn't even make basic sense.

Now, perhaps you are meaning something different than what you're saying, but the statement that team play helps to take out the streakiness of the dice makes no sense.

Woodruff wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:

Woodruff wrote:

Agent 86 wrote:Well as soon as my tourney games and singles games finish, I will only play team games from now on. This reduces the streak in dice. Just check out the top players on this site. Of course this doesn't count the freestylers who can get around this. Not an option for someone in China with slow connection.
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Team games absolutely do NOT "reduce the streak in the dice". In fact, that doesn't even make basic sense.

Woodruff, what team play are you talking about. Playing with yourself I presume. If you want to comment then show me your experience in this. Team play definitely helps take out the streakiness of dice ( cubes ) on this site.

I don't need to know anything about team play to know this is a ridiculous statement. It doesn't even make basic sense.

Now, perhaps you are meaning something different than what you're saying, but the statement that team play helps to take out the streakiness of the dice makes no sense.

What he is saying is a team mates dice can and do help overcome another's crap dice. It's true. Thats how it is.

Many times if my dice are the usual crap my pards are good and vis a vis. Only occasionally are the entire teams dice crap.

What's so hard to understand about that?